New Characters for Project M Discussion Thread (Voting Closed)

[Da Black Rabbit]

Because in my own little way I was joking while simultaneously saying how much I LOVE Rising even though it's the one Metal Gear game (that I know of) that doesn't feature a Snake iteration as the main character....

>.>

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1/2 vote for Raiden. :D

PS Allstars... Played it for a week when it first came out at a friend house and got bored. Kind of forgot about that game.

 

[タオー]

Yea, I'll do a 1/2 vote for Raiden, although I can just see him being an alt skin for Gray Fox

EDIT:
Even more unrelated, I just got some jollies off dreaming about introducing some Shoto's to the Smash Bros arena

 

[TRJV]

I just replayed Bastion and it made me realize how awesome The Kid would be in smash.

If only it were possible. . . *Gazes vacantly into the distance*

 

[Solbliminal]

I just replayed Bastion and it made me realize how awesome The Kid would be in smash.

If only it were possible. . . *Gazes vacantly into the distance*

Indie characters in general would be pretty awesome. If only there were a group of modders dedicated to making such a fantastic piece of work like Project M, but with Indie Characters. -cough cough-

 

[Shin F.]

If we had the choice to pick and add Indie characters, my top two would definitely be Quote and Clink.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

I'd also add Iji, but it's a pipe dream.

 

[cmvnb3]

Seems I'm not the only one that hates sword-users in the thread and that's because even the PMBR team, with all their creativity, has utterly failed to fix the bland swipe-a-thon playstyle that Marth and Roy are sporting. Many people have called Marth's playstyle 'boring' since the early melee days and while many characters like Lucario have had a moveset overhaul Mr. Top-tier Marth was virtually untouched just because muh melee tourney character. pfft, let's stop worshipping bad design already. You didn't seem to have an issue with Brawl fixes, why is Marth himself so sacred? Oh yeah, because 'muh melee'. How about we start having votes for moveset re-designs? How about even changing just one B-special or physical move?

 

[Cool Blue]

I'd also add Iji, but it's a pipe dream.

Where's the love for Shovel Knight?

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

Seems I'm not the only one that hates sword-users in the thread and that's because even the PMBR team, with all their creativity, has utterly failed to fix the bland swipe-a-thon playstyle that Marth and Roy are sporting. Many people have called Marth's playstyle 'boring' since the early melee days and while many characters like Lucario have had a moveset overhaul Mr. Top-tier Marth was virtually untouched just because muh melee tourney character. pfft, let's stop worshipping bad design already. You didn't seem to have an issue with Brawl fixes, why is Marth himself so sacred? Oh yeah, because 'muh melee'. How about we start having votes for moveset re-designs? How about even changing just one B-special or physical move?

What does any of this have to do with the clone engine?

I'm legitimately baffled as to why this post was even made here, of all places.

 

[cmvnb3]

It's a voting thread, so now I'm wondering why new characters is the only thing we can vote for, why not stages or even small character tweaks? Is that so irrelevant to just speculate on in here?

 

[Circle_Breaker]

Seems I'm not the only one that hates sword-users in the thread and that's because even the PMBR team, with all their creativity, has utterly failed to fix the bland swipe-a-thon playstyle that Marth and Roy are sporting. Many people have called Marth's playstyle 'boring' since the early melee days and while many characters like Lucario have had a moveset overhaul Mr. Top-tier Marth was virtually untouched just because muh melee tourney character. pfft, let's stop worshipping bad design already. You didn't seem to have an issue with Brawl fixes, why is Marth himself so sacred? Oh yeah, because 'muh melee'. How about we start having votes for moveset re-designs? How about even changing just one B-special or physical move?

... so like you want marth to have a gun or something, right?

It's a voting thread, so now I'm wondering why new characters is the only thing we can vote for, why not stages or even small character tweaks? Is that so irrelevant here?

yes

 

[Shin F.]

It's a voting thread, so now I'm wondering why new characters is the only thing we can vote for, why not stages or even small character tweaks? Is that so irrelevant to just speculate on in here?

Yeah, it is. It's a voting thread for the Clone Engine and speculation on candidates, not a list of changes you want to make just because "Herp-derp swords are boring". Maybe if the change had something to do with the candidates, it would be somewhat relevant.

 

[Malion]

+1/4 for Gun Marth

 

[Circle_Breaker]

Character design thread for @ C cmvnb3

 

[Cool Blue]

+1/4 for Gun Marth

Eh, I'm not too keen on the idea

-1/8 Gun Marth

 

[Solbliminal]

If we had the choice to pick and add Indie characters, my top two would definitely be Quote and Clink.

I think we all know who I would pick.

 

[Circle_Breaker]

Let's get terrorist and counter-terrorist from Counter-Strike as characters.
Models and alts already exist (1337 crew all day, ALL DAY).

Neutral B changes your gun from pistol to shotty to AWP (or whatever) which determines your A-moves.
Pistols are fast and combo based. Shotguns suck, just like real CS. And AWPs have huge, slow, high knockback hitboxes
Side B is flashbang w/ stun effect. Down B plants a bomb (like Snake but timed) for terrorist or pulls out a riot shield (a la Brawl Pit) for CT.

Up B... is a frag grenade you can angle + hold B to vary throw distance. Just tapping it would drop the 'nade beneath you and launch you upwards for a self-damaging recovery.

This idea is literally ****ing amazing IMO, hit me up and we'll flesh it out for implementation 'k PMBR?

 

[LEGOfan12]

Let's get terrorist and counter-terrorist from Counter-Strike as characters.
Models and alts already exist (1337 crew all day, ALL DAY).

Neutral B changes your gun from pistol to shotty to AWP (or whatever) which determines your A-moves.
Pistols are fast and combo based. Shotguns suck, just like real CS. And AWPs have huge, slow, high knockback hitboxes
Side B is flashbang w/ stun effect. Down B plants a bomb (like Snake but timed) for terrorist or pulls out a riot shield (a la Brawl Pit) for CT.

Up B... is a frag grenade you can angle + hold B to vary throw distance. Just tapping it would drop the 'nade beneath you and launch you upwards for a self-damaging recovery.

This idea is literally ****ing amazing IMO, hit me up and we'll flesh it out for implementation 'k PMBR?

...What?

 

[bksbestbwoy]

Man, I can't wait to see what the new tallies look like. So many new nominees have been popping up in recent time.

Seems I'm not the only one that hates sword-users in the thread and that's because even the PMBR team, with all their creativity, has utterly failed to fix the bland swipe-a-thon playstyle that Marth and Roy are sporting. Many people have called Marth's playstyle 'boring' since the early melee days and while many characters like Lucario have had a moveset overhaul Mr. Top-tier Marth was virtually untouched just because muh melee tourney character. pfft, let's stop worshipping bad design already. You didn't seem to have an issue with Brawl fixes, why is Marth himself so sacred? Oh yeah, because 'muh melee'. How about we start having votes for moveset re-designs? How about even changing just one B-special or physical move?

...well this is precious.

 

[Circle_Breaker]

...What?

I am like 1000% serious... do you even CS1.6, noob?

 

[Malion]

Let's get terrorist and counter-terrorist from Counter-Strike as characters.
Models and alts already exist (1337 crew all day, ALL DAY).

Neutral B changes your gun from pistol to shotty to AWP (or whatever) which determines your A-moves.
Pistols are fast and combo based. Shotguns suck, just like real CS. And AWPs have huge, slow, high knockback hitboxes
Side B is flashbang w/ stun effect. Down B plants a bomb (like Snake but timed) for terrorist or pulls out a riot shield (a la Brawl Pit) for CT.

Up B... is a frag grenade you can angle + hold B to vary throw distance. Just tapping it would drop the 'nade beneath you and launch you upwards for a self-damaging recovery.

This idea is literally ****ing amazing IMO, hit me up and we'll flesh it out for implementation 'k PMBR?

I'd much rather play as Captain Halo from the Halo games.

Or octodad! Each control stick and the d-pad control a pair of diffent tentacles... The last two tentacles are controlled as if the xyba buttons were directional buttons... You can clone him off sheik's whip!

 

[Friesnchip]

As much fun as indie character discussion is, let's not get too off track from the eligible P:M candidates.

Also, +1/5 to Octodad with swords.

 

[PlateProp]

If we had the choice to pick and add Indie characters, my top two would definitely be Quote and Clink.

Yeah Shin, where be that Shovel Knight love?

I could totally see Quote being a Megaman type character in P:M though, Neutral A being the 3shot pistol, some tilts/smashes beingthe sword thing, b special being the machine gun

Quote would actually fit really well into smash :u

 

[cmvnb3]

Man, I can't wait to see what the new tallies look like. So many new nominees have been popping up in recent time.



...well this is precious.

It's still not as precious as making a blunt statement without elaborating at all. I suppose the only thing more precious is the posters in the thread that like to announce how they just pull the wool over their eyes like dumb sheep when they see something that upsets them. Don't the wolves just devour the sheep when they do that?

 

[PlateProp]

It's still not as precious as making a blunt statement without elaborating at all. I suppose the only thing more precious is the posters in the thread that like to announce how they just pull the wool over their eyes like dumb sheep when they see something that upsets them. Don't the wolves just devour the sheep when they do that?

I'm going to destroy your ENTIRE argument about changing Marth with one question.

Why would a mod that is focused on changing Brawl to be Melee change one of the top tiered characters that at least half of the meta is focused on?

 

[cmvnb3]

I'm going to destroy your ENTIRE argument about changing Marth with one question.

Why would a mod that is focused on changing Brawl to be Melee change one of the top tiered characters that at least half of the meta is focused on?

Ok, Captain Destructo... A lot of melee players actually hate the way PM is too different from melee, enough to be its own game, in fact. So, your opinion that PM=melee is pretty invalidated by the many differences in control that make it feel completely different from melee and if exact melee mechanics was the intention, then they've clearly failed miserably at it.

 

[PlateProp]

Ok, Captain Destructo... A lot of melee players actually hate the way PM is too different from melee, enough to be its own game, in fact. So, your opinion that PM=melee is pretty invalidated by the many differences in control that make it feel completely different from melee and if exact melee mechanics was the intention, then they've clearly failed miserably at it.

I never said PM = Melee, please read. I said changing Brawl to be Melee, which is not the same thing.

If you hate P:M Marth so much why don't you get off your ass and learn Brawl Box and make your own version, that way we don't have to deal with your whiny crap.

 

[Exodo]

I never said PM = Melee, please read. I said changing Brawl to be Melee, which is not the same thing.

If you hate P:M Marth so much why don't you get off your *** and learn Brawl Box and make your own version, that way we don't have to deal with your whiny crap.

lol
i think you scared him away

 

[cmvnb3]

I never said PM = Melee, please read. I said changing Brawl to be Melee, which is not the same thing.

If you hate P:M Marth so much why don't you get off your *** and learn Brawl Box and make your own version, that way we don't have to deal with your whiny crap.

Well this post sure is pure bull****. If you're just going to call my complaints "whiny crap" while all you do is play infantile semantics games about "PM is melee, I mean PM isn't melee" or whatever *********** you're doing, then I'm done with you.

 

[PlateProp]

Well this post sure is pure bull****. If you're just going to call my complaints "whiny crap" while all you do is play infantile semantics games about "PM is melee, I mean PM isn't melee" or whatever *********** you're doing, then I'm done with you.

No Johns bro

 

[ZeruSlayer]

Seems I'm not the only one that hates sword-users in the thread and that's because even the PMBR team, with all their creativity, has utterly failed to fix the bland swipe-a-thon playstyle that Marth and Roy are sporting. Many people have called Marth's playstyle 'boring' since the early melee days and while many characters like Lucario have had a moveset overhaul Mr. Top-tier Marth was virtually untouched just because muh melee tourney character. pfft, let's stop worshipping bad design already. You didn't seem to have an issue with Brawl fixes, why is Marth himself so sacred? Oh yeah, because 'muh melee'. How about we start having votes for moveset re-designs? How about even changing just one B-special or physical move?

Okay, I see that you have animosity towards sword characters so I'm going to have to ask that you properly explain yourself. Sword play has always been about swipe, lunge, and parries....your "swipe-a-thon" argument holds no water unless you give examples on how Marth's moveset should be changed. Also, Roy in Melee was a clone of Marth so since there was a base for Roy (this includes Marth, in terms of Melee), there is no reason to do an moveset overhaul because those characters moves are an excellent representation of the games they came from. So if your opinions are Marth should throw his sword at his opponent, or Marth should start punching and kicking...that is an inaccurate representation of the character and shouldn't be included in a Nintendo crossover game like Smash.

Your "muh melee" argument is just you throwing your ideals onto others. If that argument meant something then what's stopping people from changing the moveset of every Melee veteran in Project M? The only group that deserves to complain is Blackendorf fans because Ganondorf is inaccurately misrepresented in Smash while every other character in Smash is accurately portrayed (with the exception of certain franchises which are hard to read since they don't have much of a fighting origin (ex. F-Zero))

Long story short, Characters that deserve overhauls are those who aren't represented from their franchise of origin. Give examples to your ideal version of Marth/Roy that doesn't contrast from their Fire Emblem character and lore or your argument is pointless.

 

[cmvnb3]

Okay, I see that you have animosity towards sword characters so I going to have to ask that you properly explain yourself. Sword play has always been about swipe, lunge, and parries....your "swipe-a-thon" argument holds no water unless you give examples on how Marth's moveset should be changed. Also, Roy in Melee was a clone of Marth so since there was a base for Roy (this includes Marth, in terms of Melee), there is no reason to do an moveset overhaul because those characters moves
Blah blah blah blah blah....

I'm not even about to play lawyers with you. Leave me ALONE.

 

[PlateProp]

I'm not even about to play lawyers with you. Leave me ALONE.

Again.

 

[ZeruSlayer]

I'm not even about to play lawyers with you. Leave me ALONE.

*dust hands* Welp, can't say I didn't try . No use helping someone who can't help them self. Good luck to you sir.

 

[Exodo]

*dust hands* Welp, can't say I didn't try . No use helping someone who can't help them self. Good luck to you sir.

lol its funny because of your avatar.

 

[RPGsFTW]

I really wish I could play as Shovel Knight in Smash, but I can't really expect that to happen, or I'd assume so anyway. His crouching animation would be hilarious; him moving a single pixel lower. He also has a bunch of palette swaps and abilities that would be very fitting in many ways.

And the girl from Crypt of the Necrodancer as well.

 

[Exodo]

im guessing that the sami leak is either fake or an incomplete work because that model doesnt seem like something the pmbr would actually add into the game, based on the roy and mewtwo and all the alt costumes they give all their models great details.

 

[PlateProp]

im guessing that the sami leak is either fake or an incomplete work because that model doesnt seem like something the pmbr would actually add into the game, based on the roy and mewtwo and all the alt costumes they give all their models great details.

That wasn't a leak, it was a model the guy made for himself.

It's been up on his website for a while

 

[Exodo]

That wasn't a leak, it was a model the guy made for himself.

It's been up on his website for a while

yeah i thought about that, anyway we need a true ganon and Black Shadow addition!!

 

[bksbestbwoy]

It's still not as precious as making a blunt statement without elaborating at all. I suppose the only thing more precious is the posters in the thread that like to announce how they just pull the wool over their eyes like dumb sheep when they see something that upsets them. Don't the wolves just devour the sheep when they do that?

I'm not even about to play lawyers with you. Leave me ALONE.

I'd say in this situation you do an excellent job of pulling the wool over your eyes when presented with an eloquent counter argument. Never mind how misguided and comically reductionist your initial statement was (how else is a fencer to fight), when offered a chance to show your side of things on a level footing with people (myself included) willing to stand aside and get some insight, you instead opted to use "Internet Damage Control 101" and deflect any possibility of critical commentary from your POV to make counter arguments about how we've been had somehow by fighting design that fits a character and has done so since their inception.

Protip: The large majority thinks Marth's current combat design is satisfying.

So let me ask you again, are you going to try and give the thread a full & critical reflection on why Marth's (or other sword character's) "Swipe-a-thon" design is bad while also presenting your argument respectfully? Or can I feel accomplished in never giving you the time of day again? Your call.

Edit: This is all without me even addressing that you're bringing up a subject that has no place in the Clone Engine Character Vote thread. The only reason it's even tolerated is because of the idea of Ganondorf/Black Shadow which would still result in a new character being inserted into the game. You're suggesting a move set change with no one else absorbing the old one and that's not what this thread is for.