New Characters for Project M Discussion Thread (Voting Closed)

[ZeruSlayer]

+1 Ray

Spoiler

Standard Moves: Not just another swordsman

• Neutral: Jab
  • Isaac preforms a quick jab forward with the sword
• Combo: Gaia Strike
  • Isaac follows the jab with a downward slash into the ground that knocks the opponent back slightly; followed by an upwards slash that launches a rock a short distance forward
• Dash: Leaping Slash
  • A throwback to the animation for attacking from the game, Isaac leaps into the air with sword overhead coming down with the blade a short distance ahead
• Side Tilt: Impact Thrust
  • Isaac pulls his sword back and places one hand on the pommel of the sword before forcfully jabbing it forward
• Up Tilt: Sand Throw
  • Isaac sweeps his hand in an arc over his head and sand extends slightly beyond his hand
• Down Tilt: Growth Psynergy
  • Isaac extends his hand forward and a thorny vine rises from the ground in front of him
• Side Smash: Quick Strike Psynergy
  • Isaac slashes horizontally and an air blade slashes farther past the blade; the size of the air blade is dependent on the number of set djinn
• Up Smash: Dragon Cloud Psynergy (Like Samus's standard up smash)
  • Isaac arcs a plume of fire over his head that has the head of a dragon; the size of the plume is dependent on the number of set djinn
• Down Smash: Rockfall Psynergy (Like Wario's down smash)
  • Isaac slams his sword into the ground and several boulders burst out of the ground on either side of Isaac; the distance away from Isaac that the boulders explode out is dependent on the number of set djinn

Aerial Moves: The air isn't his strength

• Neutral: Gust and Squall
  • These two Djinn spin around Isaac creating a small whirlwind
• Forward: Force Psynergy
  • Isaac summons a psynergy fist and launches it forwards a short distance
• Back: Move Psynergy
  • Isaac summons a psynergy hand that pushes opponents away
• Up: Arcing Swing
  • Isaac slashes his blade over head somersaulting as he swings
• Down: Spire Psynergy (I'm thinking kinda how Sonic drops his spring though without the launch upwards clearly)
  • Isaac creates a stalactite beneath him and drops it; this attack briefly halts Isaac's fall

Special Moves: Isaac's specials are based off of the summoning system

• Neutral: Set Djinn
  • Up to 2 Djinn of an element that are in recovery are set unleashing a small burst of energy around Isaac of its element; if no Djinn are recovering one is unleashed for a slightly larger burst; Djinn will hover around Isaac when in recovery and will reset themselves over time
• Side: Summon Ramses (Thinking kinda like Samus's power missile only a fist and rocks)
  • A rocky fist is summoned in front of Isaac traveling some distance before exploding into smaller rocks; if an opponent is hit the fist will explode early; this puts two Djinn in recovery
• Up: Summon Kirin (Not unlike Fox, though somewhat quicker)
  • Kirin appears under Isaac and then charges a short distance in whatever direction inputted; this move can be done twice if no Djinn are recovering; Isaac can attack out of this move; this puts two Djinn in recovery
• Down: Summon Atlanta
  • Atlanta appears above Isaac and briefly rains arrows down diagonally on either side of him; this move can be done twice if no Djinn are recovering; this puts two Djinn in recovery

Grabs: Isaac grabs using a more powerful version of catch which gives him a grab somewhat like Olimar

• Forward: A rock bursts from the ground and Isaac slams it into his opponent
• Back: The psynergy hand drops the opponent behind Isaac and he slashes at them with his sword
• Up: Vines sprout around the opponent and carry them upwards
• Down: Vines pin the opponent to the ground as Isaac summons a stalactite and drops it on the opponent

Thank you for making Move and Force feasible. A perfect moveset for Isaac. Congratulations

 

[PlateProp]

We don't hide in closets, son. We walk the streets of Smashboards with Franklin Badges pinned to our chest, traversing the internet in single file formation, never speaking a word to eachother. With iPods playing the Onett Theme tucked securely in our fanny packs.

I dont know about you, but personally I rock the PK Rockin tshirt in black.

 

[Da Black Rabbit]

I apologies if I screw up this voting processes. Some of the earlier post seem like you can vote for more then five but some look like the only vote for five. So if there is a five limit total then here is my votes.

+1 Votes:

Lyndis because she is my favorite FE character, uses a Katana and laijutsu and has a bow in her great lord form. Model should be pretty easy because she's an assist trophy.

Issac because he can be a magic sword user and I fear he may be a skin for Robin in SSB 3ds/Wii U where Golden Sun needs a proper rep. Again, being an assist trophy already makes things a little faster.

Saki because he is actually my favorite assist trophy and his weapon is cool.

Ray MKIII because originally he was going to be a half vote but a lot of the users here convinced me of how cool he would be as a character and I remember playing Custom Robo and found it to be a really fun game. Only played the DS version.

Sami because I always wanted an Advance Wars representative and the only reasons I would pick Sami over Andy is because I found Andy a little annoying. Plus, I rather see more females in Smash.

1/2 Votes:

Krystal because I like her character and thought she would make it in brawl instead of Wolf because she has psychic abilities that could make for a unique move set. She would honestly be a full vote for me if not for the fact it would be easier to make her a Fox clone then the bad ass staff wielding psychic warrior she should be. Keeping in line with my Star Fox DS play through I think she should be more of a Wolf clone then a Fox clone but that's just me. Still would like to see her psychic abilities implemented some how.

Masked Man because I believe every series should have at least one villian and Lucas' brainwashed brother makes a great one. Plus he has an arm canon and a beam sword! Never played Mother 3, just played Earthbound so I really don't know how he would fight. Maybe pull some of Meta Knights animations for him?

Dixie Kong because I honestly like Donkey Kong 2 more then DK 1, the later tying with DK 3. Always thought Dixie hair whipping people was cool and would love to see her cargo hold opponents in her hair similar to DK's forward throw.

Boswer Junior because I LOVE Bowser Jr! He's G'd up. When he puts on that flag on his face he goes hard for the block! He reps that Koopa hood! He knows what it like in the gutter and how to hustle hard in them pipes! Seriously though, even in Yoshi's Story I always saw him as the most gansta boss in the Mario Universe and only reason he's a half vote instead of a full is because of his miny Bowser clone status. :/ I'll be happy if some Squirtle was thrown in with the Bowser, though.

King K. Rool because would like to see more villains and I always like K. Rool. He's really comical for a boss, too. He has great move set potential.

-1 Votes: I don't like crushing peoples dreams but....

Black Shadow/Ganon I'm actually down for Ganondorf have a move set closer to his origins and again, I would like more bad guys so the addition of Black Shadow would be great. Still, I can see how it would not be fair to people who like Ganon the way he is. I could also argue that Ganon isn't fair to Legend of Zelda fans like ME that wanted him to be Link's proper rival and not a Falcon clone but....I can deal with it. :/ Just don't think it's fair to people who like Ganon now. Nothing saying Black Shadow can't be an alternate skin.

Tails because this isn't about Sega and Sonic is a guest. I like Tails. I am most likely one of the few Sonic fans that do like Miles Prower and I do see the potential but Ninentdo characters should get priority before any Sonic character.

Knuckles because this isn't about Sega... Again, I like Knuckles. I see the potential. I think CLIMBING WALLS might be a little broken...lol But if he DIDN'T climb walls like he is SUPPOSED TO then I would join the many others that would call foul on the back room in irrational flame wars, completely disregarding the balance of not implementing broken recovery options. LoL So guess it's best to just not deal with it, right?

Shadow because...ugh. I liked Shadow when he first came out, I hated in future games...and now I'm just indifferent about him. Still think it's cool if he's a Sonic skin. Definetly don't want him in as a character because he would be a Sonic clone anyway. Even in his debut people (idiotically) got him and Sonic confused. Yes, he has the power of Chaos control but in Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic learns to uses some of the same Chaos Control abilities so....yeah... Jet skates are cool, though.

Ninten because he's lost to Ness in the N64 Smash. Like if you turn Ness' hat to the side you literally get Ninten. If Ness is Ryu and Lucas is Ken and Masked Man is Akuma do you REALLY need Dan/Ninten? Maybe that was harsh.... but Sakura and Sean are a lot different from Ryu so couldn't go there.


...

And yeah, sorry if anyone is hurt by my down votes but that is just how I feel. Would just like to re iterate that Lyn, Saki, and Issac would be awesome additions and screw you if you don't like swords users. Smash is flooded with fist users and you don't hear complaints about that.

 

[Malion]

There is a five vote limit on whole votes but not on half votes and negative votes. Those are theoretically unlimited.

 

[bksbestbwoy]

And yeah, sorry if anyone is hurt by my down votes but that is just how I feel. Would just like to re iterate that Lyn, Saki, and Issac would be awesome additions and screw you if you don't like swords users. Smash is flooded with fist users and you don't hear complaints about that.

Yay, another sword bro/sword sis! :D

Care to toss a half vote in there for Nintendo's First Samurai? Actually, as a person who enjoys sword characters, what are your opinions on Takamaru?

 

[Da Black Rabbit]

Yay, another sword bro/sword sis! :D

Care to toss a half vote in there for Nintendo's First Samurai? Actually, as a person who enjoys sword characters, what are your opinions on Takamaru?

Personally never played Mystery Castle but after hearing the port will be release to America on 3DS I watched a speed run of it and thought it looked cool. Similiar to the first Legend of Zelda. I would be all for him being in Wii U/3DS Smash and if I still had half votes I'd be all for him being in Project M, too. But I love Samurai so it's one of the reasons Lynn is a personal favorite of mine.

But Takamaru looks great as an assist trophy in the new smash and from what I've seen of his original game he has the move set potential to be more then just a samurai. Best of luck to Takamaru!

 

[bksbestbwoy]

Personally never played Mystery Castle but after hearing the port will be release to America on 3DS I watched a speed run of it and thought it looked cool. Similiar to the first Legend of Zelda. I would be all for him being in Wii U/3DS Smash and if I still had half votes I'd be all for him being in Project M, too. But I love Samurai so it's one of the reasons Lynn is a personal favorite of mine.

But Takamaru looks great as an assist trophy in the new smash and from what I've seen of his original game he has the move set potential to be more then just a samurai. Best of luck to Takamaru!

You get an infinite number of half-votes. You know what must be done.

Honestly, I always find myself loving the samurai types in fighting games too. The one niche I want to see filled in the Project M clone slots is that of someone who practices draw and sheathe swordsmanship. Right now, it's a heated internal battle between Takamaru and Lyn with Taka edging out. If there were more spots available I'd be doing my best to promote both of them equally. They're different enough in source material that they could actually be the "Mario and Luigi" of the same fighting style, but when spots are this limited and we still have a large and less clued in audience to consider, I can only imagine that they wouldn't be too fond of seeing two katana users making the jump.

 

[タオー]

I love sword users as well, but I do think they are extremely over represented (hear me out) as far as the weapon's class is concerned. Yes some characters have different weapons assigned to specific moves (shiek, link, zero suit ect.), but their base movesets are still geared around these same staple "weapon" groups (fist, sword, gun). I wanna see some axe, mace, halbard, staff, spear, hammer, shield (yes, it can be a WEAPON), hell even duel sword wielding newcomers before I see another single sword wielding one. I mean, at least Ike mixes it up with a big mother****ing sword, but it just seems limiting to only use one melee weapon type.

However I'm not sure of the models available in brawl that have said weapons... But I'm sure there must be some. I hope

 

[Sour Supreme]

I love sword users as well, but I do think they are extremely over represented (hear me out) as far as the weapon's class is concerned. Yes some characters have different weapons assigned to specific moves (shiek, link, zero suit ect.), but their base movesets are still geared around these same staple "weapon" groups (fist, sword, gun). I wanna see some axe, mace, halbard, staff, spear, hammer, shield (yes, it can be a WEAPON), hell even duel sword wielding newcomers before I see another single sword wielding one. I mean, at least Ike mixes it up with a big mother****ing sword, but it just seems limiting to only use one melee weapon type.

However I'm not sure of the models available in brawl that have said weapons... But I'm sure there must be some. I hope

PMBR makes their own models, so I assume they could make use of any weapon.

 

[Da Black Rabbit]

I love sword users as well, but I do think they are extremely over represented (hear me out) as far as the weapon's class is concerned. Yes some characters have different weapons assigned to specific moves (shiek, link, zero suit ect.), but their base movesets are still geared around these same staple "weapon" groups (fist, sword, gun). I wanna see some axe, mace, halbard, staff, spear, hammer, shield (yes, it can be a WEAPON), hell even duel sword wielding newcomers before I see another single sword wielding one. I mean, at least Ike mixes it up with a big mother****ing sword, but it just seems limiting to only use one melee weapon type.

However I'm not sure of the models available in brawl that have said weapons... But I'm sure there must be some. I hope

Like I said before, I would love to see Krystal use a staff.

Wished Lucina used a lance in Wii U/3DS...

 

[Solbliminal]

I love sword users as well, but I do think they are extremely over represented (hear me out) as far as the weapon's class is concerned. Yes some characters have different weapons assigned to specific moves (shiek, link, zero suit ect.), but their base movesets are still geared around these same staple "weapon" groups (fist, sword, gun). I wanna see some axe, mace, halbard, staff, spear, hammer, shield (yes, it can be a WEAPON), hell even duel sword wielding newcomers before I see another single sword wielding one. I mean, at least Ike mixes it up with a big mother****ing sword, but it just seems limiting to only use one melee weapon type.

This thread has seen this argument more times than you could count. And honestly, it hasn't anything to do with weapons. It is the lack of character variety. With characters like Isaac, he does enough differently to warrant his votes. A lot of the Fire Emblem reps get shot down because of how similarly they play to one another, aka counter and charge B characters. With the surfacing of a character like Robin, it shows that Fire Emblem does have some variety. Even with sword users. Lyn is about as different to Marth, Roy, and Ike as Mitsarugi is to Siegfried and Nightmare in Soul Calibur. And that does her some justice. The same could be said about Takamaru.

 

[Xyn]

You get an infinite number of half-votes. You know what must be done.

I give infinite half-votes to Lyn.

 

[Solbliminal]

I give infinite half-votes to Lyn.

You can only have one vote per character. Rather it be a half, negative, or full vote.

 

[Sour Supreme]

+1/2 Teddy From Mother 1

I'm serious. Takamaru and Lyn can't be the only ones running for Katana champion.

 

[タオー]

Not to mention Gray Fox?! I know he's not Nintendo, but he's so awesome. Besides, he belongs in Smash more than Snake does IMHO

 

[Sour Supreme]

Not to mention Gray Fox?! I know he's not Nintendo, but he's so awesome. Besides, he belongs in Smash more than Snake does IMHO

+1/2 Gray Fox. •_•

 

[Anti Guy]

Not to mention Gray Fox?! I know he's not Nintendo, but he's so awesome. Besides, he belongs in Smash more than Snake does IMHO

What

 

[Grey Belnades]

Takamaru gets a half vote.
Gray Fox gets a half vote.
Saki gets a half vote.
Everyone gets a half vote!

 

[TheCometCE]

Not to mention Gray Fox?! I know he's not Nintendo, but he's so awesome. Besides, he belongs in Smash more than Snake does IMHO

okay i need to get this off my chest "GRAY FOX! *bleep* hey stupid *** that was GRAY FOX!" [/egoraptor]
joking aside, i'd 1/2 vote gray fox, assuming he's an agile fighter with meta knight style gap closers.

 

[タオー]

What

Not that i dislike Snake haha... he's just... Far less melee oriented than Gray Fox

 

[Solbliminal]

Not that i dislike Snake haha... he's just... Far less melee oriented than Gray Fox

But Snake is the cover character for his game. It would make little to no sense to have added Gray Fox instead of Snake. That is like saying Shadow, Tails, or Knuckles should've been picked over Sonic.

 

[タオー]

But Snake is the cover character for his game. It would make little to no sense to have added Gray Fox instead of Snake. That is like saying Shadow, Tails, or Knuckles should've been picked over Sonic.

I'm just thinking fighting style, I get the "flagship" argument, it just doesn't really hold much weight for me. Snakes fighting style is interesting, and I love his Project M adaptation, combat knife and Mk22 are all I ever really use in the series and it pissed me off that he didn't have them in Brawl, but he's a tactical stealth agent who does all he can to avoid any contact with the enemy. Gray Fox on the other hand is a mentally unstable ninja with cybernetic enhancements and beam saber who's acrobatic prowess is uncanny. If it were up to me there'd be even more MGS characters than those two, but if I had to choose between the two Gray Fox just makes sense. That's what I think though

 

[Sour Supreme]

Teddy is to Ninten
as
Gray Fox is to Snake

 

[Shin F.]

I'm just thinking fighting style, I get the "flagship" argument, it just doesn't really hold much weight for me. Snakes fighting style is interesting, and I love his Project M adaptation, combat knife and Mk22 are all I ever really use in the series and it pissed me off that he didn't have them in Brawl, but he's a tactical stealth agent who does all he can to avoid any contact with the enemy. Gray Fox on the other hand is a mentally unstable ninja with cybernetic enhancements and beam saber who's acrobatic prowess is uncanny. If it were up to me there'd be even more MGS characters than those two, but if I had to choose between the two Gray Fox just makes sense. That's what I think though

The fighting style in the series of origin means literally nothing when it comes to Smash. Why do you think it's possible to have characters like Villager at all? Flagship is far, far more important in general. In the case of PM, fighting style is bumped up in importance for the sake of the cloning process, but flagship still holds a lot of weight.

Teddy is to Ninten
as
Gray Fox is to Snake

So you're saying we should make Ninten and Gray Fox playable...

And then make Teddy take the place of Gray Fox's AT?

 

[Sour Supreme]

The fighting style in the series of origin means literally nothing when it comes to Smash. Why do you think it's possible to have characters like Villager at all?

So you're saying we should make Ninten and Gray Fox playable...

And then make Teddy take the place of Gray Fox's AT?

Yes. Lmfao.

I was actually just expressing that putting Gray Fox in over Snake would be like putting Teddy in over Ninten.

Ridiculous.

 

[タオー]

Yes. Lmfao.

I was actually just expressing that putting Gray Fox in over Snake would be like putting Teddy in over Ninten.

Ridiculous.

Yes... It's ridiculous. On that fact, I find no more cause to defend my opinion on this matter, just my opinion guys. Don't worry, still love Snake, didn't mean to get in the way of your Mother pursuits

 

[Shin F.]

Yes... It's ridiculous. On that fact, I find no more cause to defend my opinion on this matter, just my opinion guys. Don't worry, still love Snake, didn't mean to get in the way of your Mother pursuits

Oh, no, don't get me wrong. I still think Gray Fox would be an awesome character, I just don't think he'd be a better choice over Snake.

(In fact, he's being added to the OP next time it updates.)

 

[Sour Supreme]

Yes... It's ridiculous. On that fact, I find no more cause to defend my opinion on this matter, just my opinion guys. Don't worry, still love Snake, didn't mean to get in the way of your Mother pursuits

No worries.

I just make Mother analogies because... Mother.

 

[Sour Supreme]

Ignore the poopy mobile double post.

 

[PlateProp]

But Snake is the cover character for his game. It would make little to no sense to have added Gray Fox instead of Snake. That is like saying Shadow, Tails, or Knuckles should've been picked over Sonic.

Tails should have been picked over Sanik
Would have been so much more fun than him

 

[タオー]

An unrelated question, why are there limited clone slots? Engine limitations? Manageable workload for the next update?

 

[Shin F.]

An unrelated question, why are there limited clone slots? Engine limitations? Manageable workload for the next update?

The Clone slots are leftover empty slots from the Forbidden 7 that were removed from Brawl. Toon Zelda, Toon Sheik, Mewtwo, Roy, Dr. Mario, Dixie Kong, and PraMai (Plusle & Minun). Roy and Mewtwo now take two of these slots, so there's five left.

Adding too many characters would be hard to balance, in any case, so it's for the best that we don't have 100 slots like BrawlEx has. BrawlEx is fun for casual play, but not good for balance.

 

[Solbliminal]

Boy. I remember that one time on that one game where they didn't pick Snake as the main fighter from his series.

Spoiler

 

[タオー]

Boy. I remember that one time on that one game where they didn't pick Snake as the main fighter from his series.

Spoiler

You mean the game Raiden officially made his *****?!

Yea, I kinda see your point

 

[Cool Blue]

Yay, I love it when my notifications get broken.

You win this round, Crashboards.

 

[Solbliminal]

You mean the game Raiden officially made his *****?!

Yea, I kinda see your point

No worries mate. I'm actually quite fond of Raiden though. And he is a sticker in Brawl... soooooo....

Also. I would kill to see the PMBR do a better version of Raiden than PSASBR. Not like it would be hard to beat, but it would still be fantastic nonetheless.

 

[UltimateWario]

And yeah, sorry if anyone is hurt by my down votes but that is just how I feel. Would just like to re iterate that Lyn, Saki, and Issac would be awesome additions and screw you if you don't like swords users. Smash is flooded with fist users and you don't hear complaints about that.

Though I'm not heavily toward or against Super Sword Bros. Brawl, I want to point out that this isn't good reasoning.

Everyone is born with hands and feet. Punching and kicking is just how people fight. There's a difference between being a martial arts master (like Lucario) and simply fighting with what you have at your disposal. We only have one character (Lucario) who shows masterful skill in fighting with their hands and feet, as opposed to the ones who use their fists simply because they have to have A moves.

Being a sword master is something you have to learn. There are hundreds of different kinds of weapons that one can learn and use, and it just so happens that a everyone who uses a weapon uses a sword. If everyone were born with a sword in their hands, you wouldn't hear people ******** about it, either, but they aren't so they do.

Like I said, I don't care as long as I can play as Ridley some day, but everyone using their hands and feet to fight is not a good counter to people thinking there are too many swords.

And again, if the PMBR makes a good Isaac, he'll only use his sword once or twice anyway.

 

[Malion]

Are there any.... assist trophy slots not taken? Is that a thing? I know Project M is all about no items serious competition and what not but it'd be cool to see some unique assist trophies of the characters we can't fit into the game otherwise.

 

[Da Black Rabbit]

Boy. I remember that one time on that one game where they didn't pick Snake as the main fighter from his series.

Spoiler

Oh, you mean Metal Gear Solid: Rising Revengeance. AKA greatest combat action game since Bayonetta/Ninja Gaiden Sigma.

Or you talking about Playstion Allstars putting Raiden in over Snake?

Oh and 1/2 vote to Takamaru!

 

[Solbliminal]

Oh, you mean Metal Gear Solid: Rising Revengeance. AKA greatest combat action game since Bayonetta/Ninja Gaiden Sigma.

Or you talking about Playstion Allstars putting Raiden in over Snake?

Why would I specifically get a PS All-Stars picture if I meant Rising?