Ness

[grizby2]

he'll be back, they ALWAYS come back!

I always thought that a status effect that made someone have increased falling speed would be useful for when you knock them offstage.
I figure that the dark purple-fire effect would do that. so ganondorfs F-smash would be even more lethal .

though, it doesn't have to be dark purple fire that initiates it. that's just if "elemental" mechanics are universal I suppose

 

[LaniusShrike]

he'll be back, they ALWAYS come back!

I always thought that a status effect that made someone have increased falling speed would be useful for when you knock them offstage.
I figure that the dark purple-fire effect would do that. so ganondorfs F-smash would be even more lethal .

though, it doesn't have to be dark purple fire that initiates it. that's just if "elemental" mechanics are universal I suppose

That'd be cool for Gdorf, make "dark energy" be a curse of sorts. It'd throw off players for sure, seems interesting.

I'd like to note, for the idea of Ness getting Teleport, his second Teleport move he learns in Earthbound does allow him to teleport without running, so perhaps it could just make him run and leave a burning trail while on the ground and then in the air he spins around dangerously for a second before teleporting?
*shrug* I like all of it, really.

And apologies to anyone who thinks I'm trying to dismantle their favorite character's moveset... since none of this is going to happen anyway, it's really just a "what if Sakurai cared about accuracy" conversation, not actual proposed changes.

 

[grizby2]

That'd be cool for Gdorf, make "dark energy" be a curse of sorts. It'd throw off players for sure, seems interesting.

I'd like to note, for the idea of Ness getting Teleport, his second Teleport move he learns in Earthbound does allow him to teleport without running, so perhaps it could just make him run and leave a burning trail while on the ground and then in the air he spins around dangerously for a second before teleporting?
*shrug* I like all of it, really.

And apologies to anyone who thinks I'm trying to dismantle their favorite character's moveset... since none of this is going to happen anyway, it's really just a "what if Sakurai cared about accuracy" conversation, not actual proposed changes.

I think if the gaming community really likes something, sakurai could probably be a bit flexible with us.

meh, who knows? maybe sakurai secretly knows English and goes here for ides/criticism.
he could be anyone.
it could be YOU
it could be ME!

it could even be....

Spoiler

 

[Kokomaniac]

Because sakurai has a reputation for consulting the playerbase amirite

 

[grizby2]

im not saying he WILL, I said its a possibility.

Spoiler

note how I used the phrases "could" "probably" and "who knows?" + sarcastic spoiler.

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

I have always thought that the popular moveswap codes in smash would make a great character.


POO! His specials would be a unique combo of Ness and Kirby

up-B: Something like a mix between Aether and Final Cutter
side-B: Brainshock! Uses like PK Fire but instead of dealing repeated damage it stun for about a second and turns off use of Special (B) moves for another 5 seconds.
B: Mirror! A grab-based attack that changes Poo's stance and A-button moves (All A attack including jabs, tilts, smashes, grabs, throws, pummels, prone/ledge attacks, and aerials) into those of his target until he dies or taunts (a la Kirby)
down-B: PK Shield! This would work sort of like PSI Magnet but for different things. It would absorb non-energy attack instead of energy attacks(projectile or non-projectile) and instead of healing Poo it would increase the damage on his attacks(sort of like a reverse-stale effect) and simultaneously causing all of the opponent's moves to go fully stale for a short period.

 

[grizby2]

lol, I cant wait to take ivysaur's A moves with poo.

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

lol, I cant wait to take ivysaur's A moves with poo.

I know, right? I think it'd be amazing.

 

[grizby2]

just finished my "Rare-item" run in Earthbound!
getting the gutsy bat was a freaking pain.

Spoiler

SERIOUS GAME SPOILER, DO NOT READ.
Escorting Paula back to her house is one of best parts of the game~

 

[Gune]

just finished my "Rare-item" run in Earthbound!
getting the gutsy bat was a freaking pain.

Spoiler

SERIOUS GAME SPOILER, DO NOT READ.
Escorting Paula back to her house is one of best parts of the game~

Yes yes it is,

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

Earthbound things to include.

Ness returns as playable character

Paula should be a Assist Trophy.

Threed should be a stage.

Remove Lucas, one rep is enough for Earthbound, either that or replace him with Paula.

I'd love to see Paula in this game, her Final Smash, Wish.

 

[N3ON]

Why would they replace a popular veteran protagonist with a supporting character?

And if Sakurai thought one rep was enough for Earthbound, we wouldn't have gotten two.

 

[Tepig2000]

Earthbound things to include.

Ness returns as playable character

Paula should be a Assist Trophy.

Threed should be a stage.

Remove Lucas, one rep is enough for Earthbound, either that or replace him with Paula.

I'd love to see Paula in this game, her Final Smash, Wish.

I don't want Lucas to be replaced by Paula, but I always tought her Final Smash should be praying and doing great damage to enemies like she does in the final battle with Giygas.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

Whether Paula is playable or not, I would like to see her added with that praying attack she used against Giygas, much like you mentioned, Tepig2000, her being playable, let's face it, wishful thinking, but I'd like to see her as a Assist Trophy.

I have to ask, why not just have Ness playable to represent the Mother series?

 

[Bowserlick]

I agree with only Ness as playable. If Lucas had his own set of special moves and different jump animations, I would see his addition as worthwhile. But if character slots are limited, I would rather a more diverse character from a different series.

 

[Tepig2000]

Even tought I love the Mother series, I agree. It is not that hard to make him diferent from Ness.

 

[grizby2]

I can't tell if you guys are serious... aside from N3ON

 

[Bowserlick]

Ness already uses abilities from other characters in the series. He seems like a good composition of the Earthbound world.

 

[Tepig2000]

I can't tell if you guys are serious... aside from N3ON

I'm being serious.

 

[grizby2]

Ness already uses abilities from other characters in the series. He seems like a good composition of the Earthbound world.

what about fox and falco though? wouldn't you say fox is the best composition of the star fox world?

besides, its been proven that you can give both of them two completely separate move sets. their specials already differ in knockback/utility/ damage ect.. and the only other two moves they TRULY have in common are U-air and F-smash.

I just find it odd, that people would want a character with a unique move set to be kicked out of the game mostly just because of representation, especially when the series in question doesn't have that problem as hard as some others series do (pokemon comes to mind).

its not like theres a big chance that another mother character is going to be in the next game anyway...so yeah... also, when a character was cut from melee, they gave another rep from the same game in its place. when people talk about lucas being cut, they don't even want to see someone else replace him, whats up with that? other series can do it but not Mother? IMHO, it sounds more like a lack of appreciation for the series.

 

[Bowserlick]

Starfox suffers the same problem by having three characters with similar specials. I would change Wolf's specials or boot him. I feel that Falco is alright in having tweaked specials to show how he uses the same equipment differently than his leader. Luigi I also feel is ok being a semi-clone because he is a team-mate to the main character.

Ness already borrows specials from other characters. I don't think you need two Psi boys that showcase similar powers. Just my opinion.

 

[Tepig2000]

Starfox suffers the same problem by having three characters with similar specials. I would change Wolf's specials or boot him. I feel that Falco is alright in having tweaked specials to show how he uses the same equipment differently than his leader. Luigi I also feel is ok being a semi-clone because he is a team-mate to the main character.

Ness already borrows specials from other characters. I don't think you need two Psi boys that showcase similar powers. Just my opinion.

That's true, but they don't NEED to have the same moves. I made movesets for a lot of Mother characters, including Lucas and Ness, and they aren't the same. If you want, I can post them.

 

[DonkaFjord]

Starfox suffers the same problem by having three characters with similar specials. I would change Wolf's specials or boot him. I feel that Falco is alright in having tweaked specials to show how he uses the same equipment differently than his leader. Luigi I also feel is ok being a semi-clone because he is a team-mate to the main character.

Ness already borrows specials from other characters. I don't think you need two Psi boys that showcase similar powers. Just my opinion.

They could be more different if they take their specialty moves and change some of the moves with other logical things like pk ground. They do not have to be so similar, so maybe they will change them up a bit this time around.

 

[grizby2]

we also have Two Sword lords from fire emblem. some talk of replacing ike with someone else, despite his unique moveset AND fanbase.
so as far as lucas being cut, I think its fair to say that he would at least get replaced in the process, and if not by another psi user, probably someone that specializes in hand-to-hand like Duster, or a villain like Masked man/ porky.

........I feel kinda feel bad now for giving Bowserlick so much flak, it was just his opinion after all. im sorry 'bout all dis. ヽ(ﾟДﾟ)ﾉ

I made movesets for a lot of Mother characters, including Lucas and Ness, and they aren't the same. If you want, I can post them.

yeah definitely! feel free to post'em.

 

[Bowserlick]

That's true, but they don't NEED to have the same moves. I made movesets for a lot of Mother characters, including Lucas and Ness, and they aren't the same. If you want, I can post them.

I know they don't need to have the same specials. But they did in Brawl (similar at the least).

I am not sure if Sakurai will decide to put energy in making new specials, scrap Lucas to reserve energy for another character, or keep him similar. I would rather him scrap Lucas if it means more time for a new character.

 

[DonkaFjord]

I know they don't need to have the same specials. But they did in Brawl (similar at the least).

I am not sure if Sakurai will decide to put energy in making new specials, scrap Lucas to reserve energy for another character, or keep him similar. I would rather him scrap Lucas if it means more time for a new character.

Remember though near clones might be added toward the end as filler in time space that wouldn't be enough for an original character. So some people say cutting the clones = more originals, that is not true. In melee he chose to make 6 clones instead of 1 original character (King dedede.) So even if he makes it in it doesn't mean an original character could have been made instead.

 

[Bowserlick]

Remember though near clones might be added toward the end as filler in time space that wouldn't be enough for an original character. So some people say cutting the clones = more originals, that is not true. In melee he chose to make 6 clones instead of 1 original character (King dedede.) So even if he makes it in it doesn't mean an original character could have been made instead.

Melee clones were a special case. In Brawl Sakurai said every character, even veterans, were made from the ground up. So making Lucas was the same as making Bowser and the same as making Metaknight. At least according to Sakurai. I am sure new characters with all unique specials still took longer. But I think Sakurai cutting Lucas would translate to having enough time and space for a new character for the missing slot.

 

[DonkaFjord]

Melee clones were a special case. In Brawl Sakurai said every character, even veterans, were made from the ground up. So making Lucas was the same as making Bowser and the same as making Metaknight. At least according to Sakurai. I am sure new characters with all unique specials still took longer. But I think Sakurai cutting Lucas would translate to having enough time and space for a new character for the missing slot.

I am not so sure about that. Who knows? I really hope Lucas returns though.

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

I'm more interested in mechanics than flavor. A lot of what people think of as "clones" are only so in flavor.

Here is something in Melee to think about: Ness and DK share 4 aerials. Fox and Kirby share utilt, ftilt, fair, dair, uair, usmash, fsmash, blaster, and Fox's upB sure looks a lot like Kirby's dash attack.

 

[PSIguy89]

actually....about Lucas....apparently Lucas was going to be even more like Ness moveset wise, but because Sakurai had some extra time he made him into as he is now. Soooooo Lucas could have been an actual "clone" either way id still love to see him back, Mother 3 was a great game<3

 

[Diddy Kong]

Whoa is that true? Is there any source stating that?

I do believe Lucas took some inspiration from Mewtwo's moveset to. I mean, look at that Down Smash, and Neutral Air to. That's two moves. Just like Lucario (who's taking most of the blame for Mewtwo not being in).

 

[LaniusShrike]

Whoa is that true? Is there any source stating that?

I do believe Lucas took some inspiration from Mewtwo's moveset to. I mean, look at that Down Smash, and Neutral Air to. That's two moves. Just like Lucario (who's taking most of the blame for Mewtwo not being in).

Really, Mewtwo should just be angry and any character whose name starts with "Luca-".

I would have been irritated if Lucas took Ness's yo-yo attacks. As is, I love the differences between the characters. Super similar specials, but their standard attacks are completely different feeling.

I do hope we get to keep both Earthboundians. And, if we do, I would want them to be differentiated even more.

 

[PSIguy89]

Whoa is that true? Is there any source stating that?

I do believe Lucas took some inspiration from Mewtwo's moveset to. I mean, look at that Down Smash, and Neutral Air to. That's two moves. Just like Lucario (who's taking most of the blame for Mewtwo not being in).

Well truth be told I cant say its true, as I only heard this myself on the boards. I don't even remember who posted it but im sure it was in the general discussion thread somewhere.

 

[Starcutter]

Anyone ever thought of the Mario & Luigi guys doing an earthbound game?

I think they would be the only ones capable of creating a similar atmosphere.

 

[DonkaFjord]

Anyone ever thought of the Mario & Luigi guys doing an earthbound game?

I think they would be the only ones capable of creating a similar atmosphere.

I do not think it will happen because it is Itoi's baby and he really wanted it to be a trilogy. Maybe a remake years from now to make all 3 have a similar graphic style but not a new addition to the series for a while (If not ever.)

 

[Starcutter]

I do not think it will happen because it is Itoi's baby and he really wanted it to be a trilogy. Maybe a remake years from now to make all 3 have a similar graphic style but not a new addition to the series for a while (If not ever.)

even though he said himself he wouldn't mind anyone else making a game...

 

[DonkaFjord]

even though he said himself he wouldn't mind anyone else making a game...

That was slightly mistranslated. People often quote him as saying that if someone beings him mother 4 he would make it official. He actually said he would play/enjoy it. Also out of respect to him (He is a large cultural figure in Japan) I doubt nintendo would do it.

 

[Starcutter]

That was slightly mistranslated. People often quote him as saying that if someone beings him mother 4 he would make it official. He actually said he would play/enjoy it. Also out of respect to him (He is a large cultural figure in Japan) I doubt nintendo would do it.

ah.


...still would have AlphaDream make it though.

 

[DonkaFjord]

ah.


...still would have AlphaDream make it though.

There is a (really nice looking) Mother 4 fangame thats been in the works for more than 5 years I think... It still looks amazing.

 

[PK-Omelette]

Really, Mewtwo should just be angry and any character whose name starts with "Luca-".

< Did somebody just say my name?
(Luca Carloni)