need help vs peach

[unknown522]

Hello everyone. Check out this vid and throw some advice at me plz. My marth does really bad in this vid and I need some pointers. Thx in advance

http://youtube.com/watch?v=S-cCiafAuSs

 

[Icelement]

Spike spike spike! More spiking. I'd say work on spacing too. What I do versus peach is usually shy away from the turnips, or try and shield them with a quick SH double Fair right after. SHFFLing some nairs into an Fsmash or Fair will set up for a good spike usually. Spiking peach means gg for her recovery.

Remember though, I'm not by any means a great player, but I usually know the ins and outs of the game. If I'm wrong, someone go ahead and correct me for the OP's sake.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

unless you are really good at tipping your fsmash, you will never kill peach with it. rely on utilt more. when aiming utilt try to hit in the back because its easier to tip there. and watch the peach's DI. i saw a bunch of times where u could have chainthrowed or fsmashed out of a fthrow because of poor DI. catch turnips and throw them back. peaches hate that. space and dont get Dsmashed.

 

[DGMavn]

Your approach got really predictable after a while. Mix up your nairs and your fairs (and grab more - fthrow->JC grab->fthrow works well on low %s). You went in with your fair a lot which worked in the beginning, but the peach caught no rather quick and it took you a while to adjust to that. When you went in with your nairs you had success for a while when you changed it up. High level play is all about adapting to these things - the peach was much more successful at this than you were.

Also mix up your recovery - your opponent caught on to the ledgehopped fair too.

Note that when you did different and unexpected things you got positive results. Mix up your approaches, use your uair more (it's Marth's best move IMO), follow up your fair with a dtilt sometimes (but only if you can space it - watch you don't CC into Peach's downsmash).

Also watch your L-cancelling - there were some times when you could've comboed or tech chased after an aerial but you shielded instead.

I agree with what's been said so far - uair, space better, and Ken combo (easier said than done). But do try the full jump fair - it doesn't get punished by a dsmash.

 

[worldjem7]

Basically what you want to do vs. a Peach is to get her off the ground because everyone knows that Peach's D-smash is deadly.

Dash attack is a good way to get her in the air quickly especially after a F-throw then you can combo her from there. Sending too many aerials will get you shield-grabbed easily so you don't want to go all aerial so try empty SH's and even some DD camping.

Campy Peaches can have their turnips swatted out of the air with F-tilts or F-airs or just jump over the turnips but, this is risky as she can D-smash you upon impact (to the ground) so watch yourself. If you do decide to jump over her turnips you can try L-cancelled U-air to U-tilt this combo of moves goes VERY fast when done correctly so if the U-air doesn't hit the U-tilt will. With F-airs, if you're low enough to L-cancel them without being shieldgrabbed then you should grab her instead before she grabs you, spacing works in your favour in this case.

As for F-air combos and the like, U-air works very well to keep her in the air and a good finisher is his B move Shield Breaker. It sends her far horizontally so in the end she will be easier to edge guard as opposed to if you just F-air her she will be shot upwards and just float back to the stage.

Patience is a virtue; Peach caught you on a few occasions where she Airdodged your attacks because they were very obvious or she just knew it was coming. In cases like these when you realize that they know what you're going to do you just have to pause for that extra 1 or 2 seconds so they airdodge for no reason then punish it with a kill-move.

I also noticed Peach caught you when you double jumped to try to get away from her in this case just don't go so high off the ground. It's more dangerous to land next to a peach after a jump than it is to jump after running at a Peach. Remember this is a match-up where each person is trying to get the other in the air first so as long as you get her in the air you can combo her and her D-Smash is useless.

In conclusion: get her in the air, space well, and don't let the turnips get in your way

 

[Miztik]

Simple way to play Cheap aka Peach

f-smash,f-smash,f-smash every now and then throw in a Fair and possible a Dair

lol

 

[RiL213]

For peach matchups it is in marth's favor, u should def. use ur range to ur adv. to take out peach. As mentioned above the turnips can be swatted with f-airs nd f tilts. u-air nd f-air combos will also **** when u can use them well. Another way is to grab peach and do f-throw chaingrabs. Those work very well to combo in and peach cannot do nething unless she prop. DIs out.

It depends on the player on what the peach style is. Keep in mind to stay in focus and on target.

 

[unknown522]

alright, thx guys. Keep the advice coming

 

[Charlesz]

Be one with your controller.

Aka use lost of mindgames and mix up your attacks.
Dont just charge at her with a fair beacause she'll CC and d - smash you.
Use good spacing and your knowledge of hit frames and your range. And try to get good stages to your advantage, yoshi's island etc etc. Do good chain grabs and combo with them cuzs peach is quite floaty.

You have the advantage.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Try to bait that annoying Dsmash. Tip Peach with your Fair or Dtilt when you approache, or in other offensive situations. When she does the Dsmash, you have just enough time to space yourself for a tipped Fsmash, or even Utilt at higher percents.

 

[Europhoria]

More n-air. Spaced n-airing defensively and offensively to deal with all the turnip spam is good; at the very least it works on Jake and Adnan.

 

[Rapid_Assassin]

Up tilt her. I saw a disappointing lack of up tilt.

Also that Peach really loved to spot dodge -> down smash. Bait that **** by doing something different for a change. Space yourself more too. Peach should never be able to get that close to you for the whole match. The idea is to make them guess what you want to do next.

 

[_SSnakeKen]

marth vs. peach is a pretty even match still in my opinion. marth might have the advantage with his reach and double fair, but peach still has some good combos on marth. in my experience, the kid that i know that plays peach sounds similar to your friend (doesn't wd, shffl, dashdance...) but still has some success with peach against newbies because of dash attack and downsmash. what i would do is a lot of shieldgrabbing (pushing A while holding your shield) and punish. also, if a guy is a bad peach player, by bad i mean he abuses dsmash, dash attack, and radishes, you should still be able to find ways around him. don't just c-stick with marth either because that's no fun (and your friends will end up hating you, but it might get the job done against a new peach) i would just say learn all the "advanced" (hate that word) stuff and in time you'll be beating that peach consistently

Killing peaches ~
If you get the peach to ridiculously high percents, try a f-throw and follow up with a n-air. If they DI away, you should be able to land it before they can tech with a short hop; if they DI up, you can usually land it with a full-hop. Some higher percent kills can be obtained by b-throw to b-air, but that's a pretty ridiculous amount of percent.

If all else fails, U-tilts work.Abuse the up-tilt because it normally goes through Peach's down cstick. The trick to beating Peach is repeatedly hitting her into the air. Your range gives you a huge advantage and if Peach isn't on the ground then she can't do the down cstick or pull vegetables which are her best moves. Also, try to pick Yoshi Story or Battlefield and when her damages get above 10% throw her up and abuse the up-tilt. Otherwise through her forward and hope she doesn't DI so you can get a tip.

dont be afriad to Fthrow> dash cancelled Fsmash. Yes, it can easily be DI out of, but it is quite surprising. First hit of DB sets up perfectly for Utilt. Ftilt is also a decent choice in this match, as it comes out faster than Fsmash and can kill at higher percentages.

dont forget, tippered Dsmash kills Peach at less than 100% on FD ; )

 

[_SSnakeKen]

Be one with your controller.
.

ROFL best reply ever

 

[FrostByte]

Stop approaching with aerials if you don't want to get dash attacked. Use Dtilt like a ****, dash attack and grab also to approach. If you do get dsmashed, just lightshield it.

 

[RedPeppers]

You only approached with fairs, you gotta mix it up. I read an interesting post about running up and shielding as a approach if you don't abuse it too much, you gotta be careful about getting grabbed,but you might get the 2 fair combo,if she d-smashes and you roll away, and hit her during the lag. .there also always the CCed dash to d-tilt option. You also got dash attacked alot. Dash attacks are really predictible use an f or up tilt and exploit her weakness with Marth's range. You also really need to work on mindgames, it's not always a matter of what move will do the most damage or get the most knock back, but really what move can get a away unpunished that will deal at least some damage and is as unexpected as possible. Remember Marth's air game is amazing maybe try and up throw to utilt or uair depeding on percentages and such. What a ******** name for a bi-weekly though....pervs.....

 

[unknown522]

alright, thx guys.

Keep 'em coming

 

[The Dragon]

I say chain grab her to hell (using fthrow) and watch he dsmash.. use you DI to get out of it as quickly as possible. And also try to kill her in a vertical sense... either smite the ***** with a down spike or lauch her vertically with utilts and uairs.

 

[Pink Shinobi]

Hmm, doesn't everyone know that Peach counters Marth? ^_^ lol

 

[ArcNatural]

Hmm, doesn't everyone know that Peach counters Marth? ^_^ lol

I see what you did there.