My Mafia Academia -- ENDGAME: Bites Za Dusto

[Z25]

You're being intentionally misleading here. Stop that.

Why did you focus on the forgery theory, immediately? Why did you not IMMEDIATELY respond with your action "proof," with plenty of time between the claim and my vote? Plenty of posts of your own, too.

I never once used time to push for a lynch. Shiny was being very suspicious, as I repeatedly pointed out.

Why would I not keep my role secret after a D1 day claim, particularly when I wanted mafia to eventually shoot me and prevent a kill? Hell, I had zero reason to full claim D1 even if I was a VT.

I went after you for shiny, then shiny posted. When shiny posted, he was suspicious as hell. This is an empty point and false, from you.

I had literally 11 replies to deal with first after my forgery theory, on top of that I had to ask shishoe for role clarificstion. That was a good 15 minutes spent.

Now your either dense and can't understand your own time frame here, or you really trying to make my posts look bad. Don't try to make up excuses for while I'm scum. Its sad and a desperate attempt.

Wait a minute. Wait a ****ING minute. I think I just realized another slip up.




How is lynching someone "town" bussing? I thought Shiny was flipped as town?

Didn't you just go out of your way to bring up a forgery, a rare role that can fake roles?

Says the one who was immediately not interested in my theory, because it pinned you as the prime subject for a forgery. So in your eyes shiny was "town"

so you can't use this when my statement direct refers to you and only you. I don't think shiny was town, and I don't think you are. I'm not gonna sugarcoat things here.

Your so blatantely scum that if there was more Nzone players here you'd be gone so fast. You've done nothing to help the town. I also highly doubt your tried to bait scum in different ways day 1. The first being with a fake cop claim and the second with claim you had such great roles.

You did not think all of that through and if any believe that's your general intentions they are blind. You've clearly been trying to baiting townies into ****ing themselves over.

 

[Z25]

Pokechu what are your thoughts at now?

 

[Lore]

I had literally 11 replies to deal with first after my forgery theory, on top of that I had to ask shishoe for role clarificstion. That was a good 15 minutes spent.

Now your either dense and can't understand your own time frame here, or you really trying to make my posts look bad. Don't try to make up excuses for while I'm scum. Its sad and a desperate attempt.


Says the one who was immediately not interested in my theory, because it pinned you as the prime subject for a forgery. So in your eyes shiny was "town"

so you can't use this when my statement direct refers to you and only you. I don't think shiny was town, and I don't think you are. I'm not gonna sugarcoat things here.

Your so blatantely scum that if there was more Nzone players here you'd be gone so fast. You've done nothing to help the town. I also highly doubt your tried to bait scum in different ways day 1. The first being with a fake cop claim and the second with claim you had such great roles.

You did not think all of that through and if any believe that's your general intentions they are blind. You've clearly been trying to baiting townies into ****ing themselves over.

"if there were more NZone players here" eh? Oh man, this is a highly effective point against me.

You 100% don't believe Shiny was town?

Why do you absolutely believe the forger is a thing? Why are you so certain? Why was it your first guess?

And why on earth do you have any reason to believe that Shiny wasn't town, after the flip?

Also, boy I sure must have been out to **** town with the cop bit, right? If I was, wouldn't I have continually gone after Doop for pushing hard with the cop claim?

Or maybe I was actively using it to gather Intel and reads, by asking every single player to continually give their reads and thoughts? How is that not helpful for town?


Your blatant attempts at emotional appeal are ridiculous.

 

[Lore]

Like who honestly gives a **** if NZone players would be after me? No offense to them, but they aren't playing in this game.

I'm just in awe that you actually brought this up as a point against me. It's horrifically bad.

 

[Dooplissity]

yeah, I've got to give Were towncred for not pushing me when everyone put me as a suspect after the cop claim thing. scum!were can easily push me there, because it's likely nobody would resist him on it after that

instead he just kinda dropped it. I struggle to see what the scum motivation there is unless he's seriously trying to deepwolf on us

 

[Z25]

"if there were more NZone players here" eh? Oh man, this is a highly effective point against me.

You 100% don't believe Shiny was town?

Why do you absolutely believe the forger is a thing? Why are you so certain? Why was it your first guess?

And why on earth do you have any reason to believe that Shiny wasn't town, after the flip?

Also, boy I sure must have been out to **** town with the cop bit, right? If I was, wouldn't I have continually gone after Doop for pushing hard with the cop claim?

Or maybe I was actively using it to gather Intel and reads, by asking every single player to continually give their reads and thoughts? How is that not helpful for town?


Your blatant attempts at emotional appeal are ridiculous.

My point with that is simple. Most of them have plenty of experience and would see through your bull. Same as any experienced player.

Considering your constant flopping between suspecting people based on their answers to your questions. That’s not helpful.

In day you had supscions on doop, utopia, me, even uni for a bit, then shiny when he was a covienant lynch. Your reads and questions have done nothing but whoever you feel like as a culprit.

And why do I believe shiny has a fake pm?

He’s a character from a ****ing manga that isn’t even related to the main series. It’s only connection is it’s in the same universe. The show has absolutely no tie in to it. Shishoe literally said it’s anime only, no manga roles.

If that isn’t bluntly obvious shiny has a fake death pm then you need to re-evaluate your logic big time.

Give me one good reason why it wouldn’t be fake?

 

[Z25]

yeah, I've got to give Were towncred for not pushing me when everyone put me as a suspect after the cop claim thing. scum!were can easily push me there, because it's likely nobody would resist him on it after that

instead he just kinda dropped it. I struggle to see what the scum motivation there is unless he's seriously trying to deepwolf on us

He would have been without a doubt objected if he pushed you. I could almost guarantee someone would speak up and he knew that. He’s been going from person to person listening as likely scum or supicous and then dropping them for the next target. That play style is horrendous and very anti town.

 

[Z25]

But I’m going to bed. This can continue tomorrow.

I don’t even care if I die. I hope for the love of god though you all vote werekill as the most obvious scum of all time.

His flip would answer a lot of questions on alignment. Uni, toaster, pokechu, golden, and more could all be re-evaluated depending on how you all look at things. Make the right choice if not today, then tomorrow and lynch the biggest liar and most anti town player we have here. He couldn’t make his plays more obviously scum if he tried

 

[Lore]

He would have been without a doubt objected if he pushed you. I could almost guarantee someone would speak up and he knew that. He’s been going from person to person listening as likely scum or supicous and then dropping them for the next target. That play style is horrendous and very anti town.

Nearly everyone else was still against Doop. Why would they have spoken up?

As for your second bit, this is absolutely false. I barely had 2 people on my scum read list yesterDay. I pressured a couple through questioning, but that's far from listing as likely scum.

You're straight up lying to support yourself. This is absolutely scum behavior from you.

 

[Dooplissity]

He would have been without a doubt objected if he pushed you. I could almost guarantee someone would speak up and he knew that. He’s been going from person to person listening as likely scum or supicous and then dropping them for the next target. That play style is horrendous and very anti town.

Who? As I recall, nobody townread me. Maybe one of the people in the "well, I don't think doop was that bad..." camp would've, but that's not exactly a stalwart defender that's going to scare Were off.

My point with that is simple. Most of them have plenty of experience and would see through your bull. Same as any experienced player.

i'm not from nzone, but I have been playing since 2009 (which I would hope grants me the moniker of "experienced") and I largely agree with Were.

 

[Lore]

But I’m going to bed. This can continue tomorrow.

I don’t even care if I die. I hope for the love of god though you all vote werekill as the most obvious scum of all time.

His flip would answer a lot of questions on alignment. Uni, toaster, pokechu, golden, and more could all be re-evaluated depending on how you all look at things. Make the right choice if not today, then tomorrow and lynch the biggest liar and most anti town player we have here. He couldn’t make his plays more obviously scum if he tried

Lmao. "Lynch werekill, he'll reveal alignment of nearly half the remaining players, maybe more! I promise! Don't pay attention to this being the first time I bring up this huge, important point!"

This is hilarious.

 

[Lore]

I'm going to bed as well; I have zero reason to believe Z25 isn't scum.

By the way, I'm listing this as a HARD scum read. There's zero way he flips anything other than scum. I fail to see any way to change my mind.

 

[Z25]

Who? As I recall, nobody townread me. Maybe one of the people in the "well, I don't think doop was that bad..." camp would've, but that's not exactly a stalwart defender that's going to scare Were off.



i'm not from nzone, but I have been playing since 2009 (which I would hope grants me the moniker of "experienced") and I largely agree with Were.

If you were in a boat with someone saying that you had a chance to not be scum, then yes I’d say they would at least stick up for you. Look a pokechu for instance. He still agrees that I’m not scum despite everyone else assuming. It doesn’t matter if they repelled werekill. If you were lynched and pushed by were day 1 and flipped town, he’d be gone this phase without a question. Because there will always be something with a clear enough mind to support another player because they genuinely believe in that player. Don’t doubt that for a second.

Lmao. "Lynch werekill, he'll reveal alignment of nearly half the remaining players, maybe more! I promise! Don't pay attention to this being the first time I bring up this huge, important point!"

This is hilarious.

Yeah it is hilarious. That you can say whatever the **** you want in regardless to whose flips will reveal what. But I say it once and it’s laughable. Pathetific In all honestly that this is your take.

I'm going to bed as well; I have zero reason to believe Z25 isn't scum.

By the way, I'm listing this as a HARD scum read. There's zero way he flips anything other than scum. I fail to see any way to change my mind.

Fine I’ll be lmao as I’ve shown as town and you get lynched next phase as scum.

Your not the first person to say this exactly statement in mafia and your not gonna be the last. When everyone realizes you don’t listen to reason it won’t end well for you, and that’s perfextly fine in my book.

My reads are almost always correct, so I stand by my gut that I’m right here and that you’ll be leaving next.

Then your scramble to save your self and your twisted web will entangle you.

Once I’m gone it be a dumb move to not get rid of you next.

 

[Z25]

I’m fact you know what I don’t care.

@Shishœ i personally request you end the day phase so we can speed things along. We aren’t getting anywhere else and I want to see how accurate my thoughts are.

 

[Lore]

"My reads are almost always correct, so I stand by my gut that I’m right here and that you’ll be leaving next."

Oof, the ego on this one.

 

[Lore]

I’m fact you know what I don’t care.

@Shishœ i personally request you end the day phase so we can speed things along. We aren’t getting anywhere else and I want to see how accurate my thoughts are.

LOL

What?

 

[Dooplissity]

woah no I do not want an early end to the phase

nobody has done any traditional scumhunting this phase and that bothers me severely. i would like to see that in the time we have, even if we do lynch you at the end of it, seeing where people are is super valuable, especially if we sub out the inactives

 

[Z25]

"My reads are almost always correct, so I stand by my gut that I’m right here and that you’ll be leaving next."

Oof, the ego on this one.

Don’t believe then ask around, I nail the scum team almost every time. It’s not ego it’s an actual fact. Not that you really care about that. I’m also the one usually fighting it out with the grandfather by luck, so I would t even be shocked if you were one for all. We shall see.

And yeah it’s so funny that I request the phase end, in fact I might collapse from the laughter

 

[Z25]

woah no I do not want an early end to the phase

nobody has done any traditional scumhunting this phase and that bothers me severely. i would like to see that in the time we have, even if we do lynch you at the end of it, seeing where people are is super valuable, especially if we sub out the inactives

Answer me this:

Who should be scum hunted and how do you suggest that?

Because it’s clear werekill doesn’t want to work any other angle today and has the town wrapped around his finger. And we have nothing to go off of with shiny when he was inactive and is still very suspicious regardless of weather you think he’s town or aforged pm.

There is no where else to go from here

 

[Lore]

In this thread: player who has incessantly made appeals to emotion makes the ultimate appeal to emotion. You know the day phase won't end early, and you clearly want to make yourself look better by "selflessly" sacrificing yourself.

There's 0% chance of the day phase ending, and you know this. This is just another lame, empty attempt to appeal to emotion.

 

[Lore]

I'm heading to bed, you have nothing else to say that I care about. It's just more self-bragging on your part mixed with attempts to tug on heart strings.

 

[Lore]

Hell I'm starting to wonder if your incessant thinking/talking about flavor yesterDay was all meant to lay the ground work for you, as a Forger, to make this play? You immediately came out about how you noticed the character wasn't in the anime. Like it was spooky quick.

That may be a layer too far though, and it could be a coincidence. But if it's revealed post-game to not be a coincidence, I'm going to laugh my ass off.

 

[Dooplissity]

Answer me this:

Who should be scum hunted and how do you suggest that?

Because it’s clear werekill doesn’t want to work any other angle today and has the town wrapped around his finger. And we have nothing to go off of with shiny when he was inactive and is still very suspicious regardless of weather you think he’s town or aforged pm.

There is no where else to go from here

Like, anyone, dude. I want to see how people feel after the Shiny flip, how people feel about tone, actions, and thought processes of things that happened today or late d1.

I just wanna see mafia get played beyond claim war shenanigans

 

[Z25]

In this thread: player who has incessantly made appeals to emotion makes the ultimate appeal to emotion. You know the day phase won't end early, and you clearly want to make yourself look better by "selflessly" sacrificing yourself.

There's 0% chance of the day phase ending, and you know this. This is just another lame, empty attempt to appeal to emotion.

Calling it what you want. I genuinely don’t give a **** about heart strings. Those don’t exist here and you’d be talking me for an idiot if you really think that’s my plan. If I die I die that’s it. It’s a game I have a real life. I’m not gonna go cry about losing nor do i care if I stay in. If I do I’ll make damn sure to aid the town. If I don’t oh well.

Hell I'm starting to wonder if your incessant thinking/talking about flavor yesterDay was all meant to lay the ground work for you, as a Forger, to make this play? You immediately came out about how you noticed the character wasn't in the anime. Like it was spooky quick.

That may be a layer too far though, and it could be a coincidence. But if it's revealed post-game to not be a coincidence, I'm going to laugh my *** off.

Yeah your not even on the right train anymore.

No scum would be thinking that hard. I posted right away because I was on and eager to see what shiny was. It’s that easy and all there is too it. You haven’t figured out some grand mafiso plan and with your lines of thinking you likely won’t. If your truly town your probably being outplayed hard this game.

But I guess we have to wait and see

 

[Lore]

Didn't you literally just say earlier that scum are coy, that the forger plan isn't beyond their thinking capabilities?

Why are they suddenly too dumb to not think more on it?

 

[Z25]

Like, anyone, dude. I want to see how people feel after the Shiny flip, how people feel about tone, actions, and thought processes of things that happened today or late d1.

I just wanna see mafia get played beyond claim war shenanigans

well I doubt we will see that today.

Shinys flip makes no sense and I stand by this. In the event I’m wrong, uni was the first to really go in on shiny and would likely be scum in that scenario taking advantage of my observation. Werekill was the second to vote and changed tune way to quick considering he was ready to lynch me for suggesting we lynch shiny today if he wasn’t active.

There’s nothing else to gain beyond that. And with this claim war no solid reads can be made till a lynch is.

If I were to pick a scum team right now it would be werekill, maybe pokechu for trying to be the only one to protect me so they look town,

Perhaps uni if shinys flip is true. Then I’d bet money on maven being it as an inactive as that’s just how odds seem to work in our games.

Golden is the only one I view as a full townie. He called werekill our on their bull**** right away and has offered solid input since. Maybe he’s a team with werekill but I don’t see it.

 

[Z25]

Didn't you literally just say earlier that scum are coy, that the forger plan isn't beyond their thinking capabilities?

Why are they suddenly too dumb to not think more on it?

Because I highly doubt acum are going to set up a forge plan like that. It’s to much work for what is an obvious fake role pm if it is forged. To put that much thought in and then make the mistake of including a non anime character would be a pretty stupid one. It doesn’t work.

 

[Z25]

Didn't you literally just say earlier that scum are coy, that the forger plan isn't beyond their thinking capabilities?

Why are they suddenly too dumb to not think more on it?

Also riddle me this.


How could I be such a genius at setting this forgery plan then come out with a bold claim, attract the entire threads attention and then make myself an obvious lynch target. If I was as cunning as you say setting up your lynch should have been a piece of cake, but clearly it’s not. On top of the fact I risked being counter claimed as well as as risking that my “redirect” that you do t think exists would also fail because it doesn’t exist.

Knowing all of that, do you really hunk you can say I set all this up? I don’t think you can. For me to be acting I’d have to go through a hell of a battle to survive this phase and go in knowing it’s likely a losing one.
Which would ultimately damage my scum comrades as I would likely be lynched.

There is no one you really think I can be scum with all of those factors.

 

[Deleted member]

I’m fact you know what I don’t care.

@Shishœ i personally request you end the day phase so we can speed things along. We aren’t getting anywhere else and I want to see how accurate my thoughts are.

No

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

But I’m going to bed. This can continue tomorrow.

I'm going to bed as well; I have zero reason to believe Z25 isn't scum

 

[Pokechu]

 

[Lore]

well I doubt we will see that today.

Shinys flip makes no sense and I stand by this. In the event I’m wrong, uni was the first to really go in on shiny and would likely be scum in that scenario taking advantage of my observation. Werekill was the second to vote and changed tune way to quick considering he was ready to lynch me for suggesting we lynch shiny today if he wasn’t active.

There’s nothing else to gain beyond that. And with this claim war no solid reads can be made till a lynch is.

If I were to pick a scum team right now it would be werekill, maybe pokechu for trying to be the only one to protect me so they look town,

Perhaps uni if shinys flip is true. Then I’d bet money on maven being it as an inactive as that’s just how odds seem to work in our games.

Golden is the only one I view as a full townie. He called werekill our on their bull**** right away and has offered solid input since. Maybe he’s a team with werekill but I don’t see it.

Again, you're lying and being misleading here.

I gave clear and precise reasons for lynching Shiny that went beyond just inactivity. For you to say otherwise is to try to be intentionally misleading.

Also lol @ Golden apparently calling me out. He went along with the cop claim from the beginning, even theorizing scenarios to go with it. This is a weird as hell statement from you without much logical ground.

Because I highly doubt acum are going to set up a forge plan like that. It’s to much work for what is an obvious fake role pm if it is forged. To put that much thought in and then make the mistake of including a non anime character would be a pretty stupid one. It doesn’t work.

Then why would they fake the pm and make it intentionally look weird, especially with the manga vs anime character? It has to be intentional.

From that idea, it's a pretty easy logical leap to assume that your immediate pushing for there to be a forger is fishy as hell.

Side note, you're suddenly saying "if it is forged." Why were you so certain earlier, to the point of saying that I "bussed" Shiny? I 100% believe that was a slip earlier.

Also riddle me this.


How could I be such a genius at setting this forgery plan then come out with a bold claim, attract the entire threads attention and then make myself an obvious lynch target. If I was as cunning as you say setting up your lynch should have been a piece of cake, but clearly it’s not. On top of the fact I risked being counter claimed as well as as risking that my “redirect” that you do t think exists would also fail because it doesn’t exist.

Knowing all of that, do you really hunk you can say I set all this up? I don’t think you can. For me to be acting I’d have to go through a hell of a battle to survive this phase and go in knowing it’s likely a losing one.
Which would ultimately damage my scum comrades as I would likely be lynched.

There is no one you really think I can be scum with all of those factors.

Considering the fact that you weren't a lynch target after you brought up the forger idea, this is a clearly false assumption on your part. This is just another lame attempt to try to earn town cred, playing up the idea that the ploy would have been too risky.

I absolutely can think you are scum with all of those factors, and my vote remains.

Also I still absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt, believe that your redirect was a lie in at least some way. The fact that you ONLY brought it up after I voted for you, and you "coincidentally" had directly targeted me with the ability? Come on.

 

[Lore]

I got fired up and stayed awake lol. At work today, I regret it.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Now that I'm awake, it's time to talk about what I did.

I targeted Goldie last night. Reason I went for him rather than any big suspicion I had was basically reverse psychology; any scum too suspicious would likely not do the kill.

But from my experience at least, I've learned to never ignore Goldie. The way he plays basically makes him a wild card, no matter the game we're in.

But anyway, the point is that, if Goldie's role is correct, both Z and I should've been notified. I wasn't.

But if Z's role is truly what it is, then Golden is scum. But the claim he's making is something that could be disproven too easily, so I'm inclined to think that he's the least likely to be lying in this scenario.

I know it sounds super convenient, but once I've read Goldie's claim, I've been questionning him about it in the thread for this exact reason,

@GoldenYuiitusin Do you also get informed of who targeted you?

Then in that case...

Z25 Z25 Did you get that?

Z has not answered, from what I can recall.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Checked.

He quoted my post, but didn't really answer my question.

Here's said post:

so golden, the people that target you are suppose to see who targeted you? That's weird as an ability.

Still is that correct? If so it makes no sense that from what I've been told my redirect should have worked, but I don't have anything indicating that.

The cross of everything here is way more confusing then it should be.

And this really explains why Z didn't have anything indicating his redirect; because he never redirected in the first place.

 

[Lore]

I got fired up and stayed awake lol. At work today, I regret it.

^that was in response to Utopian, my quoting him technically was an empty quote, so it vanished.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

##Unvote: Z25
##Vote: Z25

Closest thing to a double vote that I can do, just because of how damn certain of Z at this point.

And if he flips town, then Goldie is scum. Either way, we've got an answer.

 

[Lore]

##Unvote: Z25
##Vote: Z25

Closest thing to a double vote that I can do, just because of how damn certain of Z at this point.

And if he flips town, then Goldie is scum. Either way, we've got an answer.

I'd rather reread Golden before I settle on him being scum, especially since there's basically zero chance of Z not being scum at this point to me.

What is your case for Goldie scum, so I can see your thought process?

 

[Moydow]

hey Shish in what way is this a "relaxing day off", I want my money back, pick better thread titles in future

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I'd rather reread Golden before I settle on him being scum, especially since there's basically zero chance of Z not being scum at this point to me.

What is your case for Goldie scum, so I can see your thought process?

As I said, if Z flips town, Goldie is scum because he'd be outright lying about his role because I myself never got notified.

But just like you, I have little doubt on Z not being scum. Heck, the very post you quoted literally says that.

So it's more of a "just in case I'm wrong" kind of scenario. But again, Z's behavior as well as how easy it'd be to disprove Goldie's claim make it very unlikely in my mind that Goldie's the liar here.