My Mafia Academia -- ENDGAME: Bites Za Dusto

[Ura]

Obviously not, but hiding it still makes it slightly more scummy.

Another one who was pushing for it was Z.

Yeah true that. I need to look at the D1 Votelog.

 

[Ura]

Yeah sometimes you just gotta step away if it’s getting like that.

Or post it all in your role pm like I did in the villains mafia.

Or outright telling a townie that you're scum like I did in Villains Mafia lmao!

 

[Lore]

But y'know, I think we're missing a big point in all this. It's what I said at the start of the phase.

Who were the ones pulling the most for Shiny's lynch D1? It's not concrete evidence but it's something that needs to be considered.

I was very much included in this, after Shiny's posts.

Pokechu also was originally pushing for Shiny but backed off right at the end iirc, which is weird. But I'm not sure how much it implies.

 

[Ura]

I also think we should look in to replacements for Jojo and Maven. Since they're not doing anything.

 

[Lore]

I also think we should look in to replacements for Jojo and Maven. Since they're not doing anything.

I'm down for this, but it's up to Shishoe's judgement.

 

[Z25]

- Right off the bat, it looks like there isn't an RB at play which was my first suspicion. I mean it's not like it can't happen but it's looking to be pretty unlikely.

- Uni makes a good point in that Mafia would want Shiny to "flip" as scum if the work of a forger really did happen. To give the illusion of less scum members existing in the game. Although Z's comment about Shiny potentially having a decent kit also makes sense if they didn't want one of their own to be exposed. And it makes sense because a scum team wouldn't want Town to know they lost one of their most useful teammates. Werekill was the one that had knowledge of the spin-off manga but I don't think Scum!Werekill would sell himself out like that. Unless the argument is that he let it slip. I mean the flavor was that this is based only on the MHA Anime right? Z's claim has merit but I still find the claim a bit sketch tho.

- Lore your Harden ability is only a one-shot and it works without any command? Usually for most PR's an action is needed to use the PR or else nothing happens. I find that a bit odd.

as an aside, using the word "harden" unironically like that is really off-putting. i must be 12 lol.

- Z making most of his arguments based on the flavor is weird but like I said, it is points to consider. But when it's the only thing to work with, then it gets a little muddy.

- Toaster makes a good point as well in that Werekill's PR claim (i'm not going to use the word Harden unironically again lmao) could be a cover up for him potentially being the forger. But this is all dependent on a forger existing in the first place which in itself is a leap.

- ...now Z claims to be the Town redirector? And that he redirected Golden? Or rather a shot was meant for Golden that got directed to Werekill? This is some IQ 9000 **** lmao.

- Wait now Werekill is claiming his ability is passive. Hence why he was able to defend himself. In that case, Werekill made no command making his Hard (not using the name lol) PR on himself in which Mafia's kill went from Golden to Werekill through Z's redirect PR. So now we're dealing with a situation of who was against Goldie or saw merit in killing him to mislead Town?

- Z is saying Werekill's PR has to be active but Werekill is saying it's passive?

- Okay I saw Goldie's post and it looks like i'm misunderstanding.


In this case, how would Z know about Werekill's PR? In that he had the ability to defend himself or anyone of his choosing?

- And then in pages 23-25, it became a situation of "he said-she said". So much walls of text that I don't want to go through. If I missed anything important there please let me know. I would really appreciate it.

I'm really doubting my thoughts from D1 about Z VS were being T V T.

Your misunderstanding a little.

I asked in my role pm and from what I’ve gathered, my redirect can affect normal and quirk abilities. However it’s only certain skills from both.

Based on the character were claimed, I said it made no sense for their passive to be harden because their character is not hard all the time. If you want the breakdown post I did, I’ll link it.

But from what I learned my redirect should have worked. But apparently uni also targeted golden and got no results which golden said we should have gotten if he was targeted.

Honestly I kind of see Knuckleduster like a "joke" character

Like, it's literally Batman right? LOL it makes sense he'd be the vig and if there's any character from the manga, making it a Batman-esque character would definitely be the way to go. It's tongue-in-cheek, similar to how in the Fire Emblem Mafia there was Sonic with a sword (blue hair sword-wielder LOL)

And yeah, Sonic was third-party, but I still wouldn't doubt "Batman" making his way into this mafia, considering he's one of the most popular heroes of all time, if not the most popular.

If he’s a joke though, why wouldn’t he be third party? All jokes have been 3p

 

[Pokechu]

If he’s a joke though, why wouldn’t he be third party? All jokes have been 3p

Because Batman is a hero. A comic-book hero. He's a protagonist, a good guy. It wouldn't make sense for him to be a third party when he's actually a hero character and the game theme is Hero vs Villains. Sonic is a good guy too but he pokes more at the meta (completely different game theme + there's the joke that he's a blue hair sword wielder)

 

[Lore]

Because Batman is a hero. A comic-book hero. He's a protagonist, a good guy. It wouldn't make sense for him to be a third party when he's actually a hero character and the game theme is Hero vs Villains. Sonic is a good guy too but he pokes more at the meta (completely different game theme + there's the joke that he's a blue hair sword wielder)

Side note here, but this character is basically Batman but, in many ways, more insane. His qualities really poke fun at a lot of Batman's more unhealthy traits and show why Batman isn't exactly a hero you want to be, sometimes.

It's a fun side series, although I fell pretty far behind on it. I should catch up.

 

[Z25]

Because Batman is a hero. A comic-book hero. He's a protagonist, a good guy. It wouldn't make sense for him to be a third party when he's actually a hero character and the game theme is Hero vs Villains. Sonic is a good guy too but he pokes more at the meta (completely different game theme + there's the joke that he's a blue hair sword wielder)

Yes and that is fair. But i don’t know, I’m 50/50 on that. Not to mention that Batman isn’t am exactly good. He’s known as the dark knight for a reason. So I could still see that be 3rd party.

 

[Ura]

Your misunderstanding a little.

I asked in my role pm and from what I’ve gathered, my redirect can affect normal and quirk abilities. However it’s only certain skills from both.

Based on the character were claimed, I said it made no sense for their passive to be harden because their character is not hard all the time. If you want the breakdown post I did, I’ll link it.

But from what I learned my redirect should have worked. But apparently uni also targeted golden and got no results which golden said we should have gotten if he was targeted.

So you're saying your redirect affects both passive and normal but only some of them. As in, it RNG's what you're able to redirect? Please forgive my ignorance because that sounds trippy.

I mean it kinda does because Werekill claims he didn't input any command in N1 so it would make sense that is his passive no? I'd like to see your breakdown post.

 

[praline]

I also think we should look in to replacements for Jojo and Maven. Since they're not doing anything.

Have either of them even been on Smashboards since they posted that they were in?

 

[Ura]

Have either of them even been on Smashboards since they posted that they were in?

Last time I checked, Joja's last activity was Wednesday. Maven was in D1 or something.

 

[Lore]

So you're saying your redirect affects both passive and normal but only some of them. As in, it RNG's what you're able to redirect? Please forgive my ignorance because that sounds trippy.

I mean it kinda does because Werekill claims he didn't input any command in N1 so it would make sense that is his passive no? I'd like to see your breakdown post.

Yeah Harden is 100% a passive and listed separately from my Protect action that I can take. My drawback of being un-protectable is also listed separately.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

as an aside, using the word "harden" unironically like that is really off-putting. i must be 12 lol.

hehe

I asked in my role pm and from what I’ve gathered, my redirect can affect normal and quirk abilities. However it’s only certain skills from both.

Based on the character were claimed, I said it made no sense for their passive to be harden because their character is not hard all the time. If you want the breakdown post I did, I’ll link it.

But from what I learned my redirect should have worked. But apparently uni also targeted golden and got no results which golden said we should have gotten if he was targeted.

From a flavor perspective, it makes sense.

But from a game balance perspective, it doesn't.

You can only do one active action at night. If both Harden and the ability to protect were different active skills, then Were would have to choose between a guaranteed one-shot bulletproof or protect someone at the risk of losing his own life, effectively separating the bulletproof and bodyguard abilities from one another even though NZ games typically tend to combine both so that the bodyguard doesn't just die from doing its job on the first time.

And like you said...

I asked in my role pm and from what I’ve gathered, my redirect can affect normal and quirk abilities. However it’s only certain skills from both.

Again, looking at a game balance perspective, this is likely just a way to say that passives aren't going to be redirected.

It would explain why your redirecting didn't do **** if you really are the redirector.

Yes and that is fair. But i don’t know, I’m 50/50 on that. Not to mention that Batman isn’t am exactly good. He’s known as the dark knight for a reason. So I could still see that be 3rd party.

It's probably why the "Batman" here is the vig, since killing is not the honorable, heroic thing to do.

 

[Ura]

Yeah Harden is 100% a passive and listed separately from my Protect action that I can take. My drawback of being un-protectable is also listed separately.

So the only way for this to make sense is if Z redirected you to Goldie (who is Mafia's target in this scenario) and for your passive to have been used to protect Goldie? Because it makes no sense if you got a message back saying someone tried to target you N1. And now apparently Uni targeted Golden and got no results? It doesn't add up what Z is saying.

 

[Z25]

So you're saying your redirect affects both passive and normal but only some of them. As in, it RNG's what you're able to redirect? Please forgive my ignorance because that sounds trippy.

I mean it kinda does because Werekill claims he didn't input any command in N1 so it would make sense that is his passive no? I'd like to see your breakdown post.

You’re using passive wrong.

Let me explain a bit more.

Everyone has a normal action and a quirk action.

Both of those actions have passive and active skills depending on the character.

I was told I can affect normal and quirk abilities depending on if they were considering active ones(based on however shishoe has them mapped out) From the questions I asked, I could t see how my redirect didn’t work on the ability based on what i was told. The whole discussion was based on if I could be wrong, but i didn’t think I was from what I learned. Let me find that breakdown post though

 

[Lore]

So the only way for this to make sense is if Z redirected you to Goldie (who is Mafia's target in this scenario) and for your passive to have been used to protect Goldie? Because it makes no sense if you got a message back saying someone tried to target you N1. And now apparently Uni targeted Golden and got no results? It doesn't add up what Z is saying.

There are two possibilities here.

1. Z's redirect does not affect passives, and he already said that he received word that his ability does not affect every ability.

2. Z is lying and has not done a redirect. This is doubly so if Golden is telling the truth.

 

[Lore]

You’re using passive wrong.

Let me explain a bit more.

Everyone has a normal action and a quirk action.

Both of those actions have passive and active skills depending on the character.

I was told I can affect normal and quirk abilities depending on if they were considering active ones(based on however shishoe has them mapped out) From the questions I asked, I could t see how my redirect didn’t work on the ability based on what i was told. The whole discussion was based on if I could be wrong, but i didn’t think I was from what I learned. Let me find that breakdown post though

I will attempt to ask light questions so long as you agree to chill yourself, k?

Your redirect, I'm assuming, is a quirk action if you are telling the truth. What is your normal action?

 

[Z25]

I will attempt to ask light questions so long as you agree to chill yourself, k?

Your redirect, I'm assuming, is a quirk action if you are telling the truth. What is your normal action?

Fine by me. I don’t have a normal action. Which makes sense to me considering my character has been in only one episode of the show as a focus. Although from what I’ve heard from people I know who read the manga he looks like he will be jointing the main cast soon.

The downside there is that minetta will still exist though.

But yeah I don’t have any other ability

 

[praline]

The downside there is that minetta will still exist though.

I wonder if Mineta is in this. If Mineta is in this game and pokechu turns out to be him then it’ll feel like Shish intentionally made him Mineta lol

 

[Deleted member]

I don't have anything to do here since there are no votecounts so, uhm... hi!

Considering the host is the Shishposter himself, who was the Knight of Onion Rings in that mafia... yeah, that just feels like it makes sense lol

*herself

 

[Pyra]

I wonder if Mineta is in this. If Mineta is in this game and pokechu turns out to be him then it’ll feel like Shish intentionally made him Mineta lol

I hope he hasn’t already ball’d someone

 

[Z25]

I hope he hasn’t already ball’d someone

 

[praline]

I hope he hasn’t already ball’d someone

If it’s like any other game he probably “ball’d” me during the first night.

Just typing that sentence grossed me out.

 

[Z25]

Now let's look at were's claim:
https://bokunoheroacademia.fandom.com/wiki/Eijiro_Kirishima

Do you see this man?
He's not made of rock normally. He has to activate it. Now why would his passive skill( one you don't submit an action for, leave him as rock permanetly? It doesn't add up. If he's not rock hard normally, then his passive a skill that automatically happens, shouldn't make him rock hard unless he says so. Also as far as I know, Eijiro never protects anyone with his quirk in a body guard sense. He steps into fights and blocks shots but he never is truly defending someone, except sort of allmight in s1, but its not a pure defense. He uses his ability to protect himself more then anything.

On top of that, why would the bodyguard one of the best town roles in the game, claim day 2 and reveal they lost their bulletproof? They now have a target on their back and will die. It doesn't add up.

Ura here you wanted to see my breakdown.

 

[Lore]

Fine by me. I don’t have a normal action. Which makes sense to me considering my character has been in only one episode of the show as a focus. Although from what I’ve heard from people I know who read the manga he looks like he will be jointing the main cast soon.

The downside there is that minetta will still exist though.

But yeah I don’t have any other ability

How is your ability worded, as in the name etc?

The Stoopid Unikorn My ability has a normal action and a separate quirk listing. Is yours the same, or do you only have a quirk listing?

 

[Lore]

Ura here you wanted to see my breakdown.

Flavor is legitimately meaningless unless used as a light guide towards mechanics. I fail to see why we should use this idea to say my ability isn't passive.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

How is your ability worded, as in the name etc?

The Stoopid Unikorn My ability has a normal action and a separate quirk listing. Is yours the same, or do you only have a quirk listing?

I only have a quirk listing. No normals.

 

[Lore]

How is your ability worded, as in the name etc?

The Stoopid Unikorn My ability has a normal action and a separate quirk listing. Is yours the same, or do you only have a quirk listing?

@GoldenYuiitusin ^same question to you, specifically the one asked towards Unikorn.

 

[Lore]

I only have a quirk listing. No normals.

Huh, that's interesting. Looks like there's no guarantee that you get both normal + a quirk, if others claim the same thing.

 

[Pyra]

Anyone need any info from me right now? On a quick break from work

 

[Z25]

How is your ability worded, as in the name etc?

The Stoopid Unikorn My ability has a normal action and a separate quirk listing. Is yours the same, or do you only have a quirk listing?

Quirk: Brainwash

One per night you redirect a players actions to another. That’s pretty much it too, outside of quotes from the show.

Flavor is legitimately meaningless unless used as a light guide towards mechanics. I fail to see why we should use this idea to say my ability isn't passive.

I never said I fully believe just that it’s odd with the way it works. I think flavor should at least be slightly considered but I can understand not considering it as well.

For example flavor wise, look at all for ones sample pm. he has a ton of abilities. Because flavor wise he can have any quirk in the world. The flavor is very faithful to characters

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I never said I fully believe just that it’s odd with the way it works. I think flavor should at least be slightly considered but I can understand not considering it as well.

For example flavor wise, look at all for ones sample pm. he has a ton of abilities. Because flavor wise he can have any quirk in the world. The flavor is very faithful to characters

But for a proper game, it's best to use flavor as a guideline rather than try to be 1:1

So Harden being a passive still works because it's not quite like the source material, but in a mafia environment, it makes sense.

 

[Moydow]

I don't have anything to do here since there are no votecounts so, uhm... hi!

just do what I've been doing and meme about all the stuff going wrong in the game

I like how I have almost as many posts as you in this thread even though I'm only the co-host and I should have even less to do here. :p

 

[Lore]

Quirk: Brainwash

One per night you redirect a players actions to another. That’s pretty much it too, outside of quotes from the show.


I never said I fully believe just that it’s odd with the way it works. I think flavor should at least be slightly considered but I can understand not considering it as well.

For example flavor wise, look at all for ones sample pm. he has a ton of abilities. Because flavor wise he can have any quirk in the world. The flavor is very faithful to characters

Thanks for the answer.

As for flavor, let's follow your logic here. Flavor-wise, All For One fits with the sample pm. If we are to trust your claim, then your flavor fits your ability too.

But it's not an exact match. It never is. All For One's abilities aren't an exact match for his show capabilities, and your character's abilities would have a tighter restriction of having to be spoken to first instead of a free choice.

From that logic, my Harden keeps to the spirit of the character while not being perfectly exact, same as the All For One sample and your own claimed role. Flavor is useless here to decide things.

 

[Ura]

Had a big post to write but it was pretty convoluted so I need to make sense of this.

> Z has a redirect which only works on active skills, regardless of normal or quirk abilities.

> Werekill claims his ability is passive since it allowed him to protect himself N1 but also active since he could use it on others?

> Z says his redirect was used on Golden to protect him. Uni states this is false?

Did Golden even get any message saying he was targeted at all? Because if not, then there's a lot of holes in all of this.

Ura here you wanted to see my breakdown.

That is something to consider but like, it's all reliant on the flavor which doesn't have to be the case. Of course I don't want to discredit it completely but like it's hard to go off on that alone.

 

[Z25]

But for a proper game, it's best to use flavor as a guideline rather than try to be 1:1

So Harden being a passive still works because it's not quite like the source material, but in a mafia environment, it makes sense.

Maybe but I’m curious. Are you familiar with the show? If so how faithful is your charcter?
And actually I’m probably dead anyway so let me elaborate. My role pm is extremely faithful to the charcter.


I can only redirect someone if they have responded to my post. Because in the anime my character can only control people if he asks them a question and they respond.

So that’s 3 role pms that are very faithful to charcter. (Mine and the sample pms that are outlined very well and to a tee for the characters they representing including their gimmicks).


So I think these roles are very faithful to flavor

 

[praline]

Had a big post to write but it was pretty convoluted so I need to make sense of this.

> Z has a redirect which only works on active skills, regardless of normal or quirk abilities.

> Werekill claims his ability is passive since it allowed him to protect himself N1 but also active since he could use it on others?

> Z says his redirect was used on Golden to protect him. Uni states this is false?

Did Golden even get any message saying he was targeted at all? Because if not, then there's a lot of holes in all of this.

That is something to consider but like, it's all reliant on the flavor which doesn't have to be the case. Of course I don't want to discredit it completely but like it's hard to go off on that alone.

Golden said he doesn’t get a message if he’s targeted. Just the people that target him.

 

[Lore]

Ura to clarify: I have a separate action that lets me protect one player. If that player is shot, the shot is redirected to me. If my passive is still up, I then live. Harden only works for the first kill attempt on me.

I'm literally a Bodyguard with a Bulletproof Vest, but with MHA flavor.

I forgot to send in my protect action due to being busy with an irl move.

 

[Z25]

Thanks for the answer.

As for flavor, let's follow your logic here. Flavor-wise, All For One fits with the sample pm. If we are to trust your claim, then your flavor fits your ability too.

But it's not an exact match. It never is. All For One's abilities aren't an exact match for his show capabilities, and your character's abilities would have a tighter restriction of having to be spoken to first instead of a free choice.

From that logic, my Harden keeps to the spirit of the character while not being perfectly exact, same as the All For One sample and your own claimed role. Flavor is useless here to decide things.

We posted at the same time but read my above post