My Mafia Academia -- ENDGAME: Bites Za Dusto

[Z25]

I think it's less defensive of Were and more you're story of what happened and what actually happened don't line up (for instance, the lack of proper alerts).
So either we are misunderstanding you, you're misunderstanding Midni-- Shishoe, or you're lying.


I've been careful to add "allegedly" and "supposedly" when talking about things he's claimed lol

Ok now for this. How or why doesn't my story line up? I came out right away when I heard were's claim. It didn't add up with my acctions so I spoke out. Thats pretty normal to me. If were never claimed that, I would have kept my role a secret because its a good power role and I had no reason to reveal it yet. My forger theory was just that, a theory but its one that makes way more sense then people seem to think. There's a decent character choice for this, and we have enough to say that shiny's pm was fishy.

So what's wrong with my train of thought? Am i missing something?

Now let's look at were's claim:
https://bokunoheroacademia.fandom.com/wiki/Eijiro_Kirishima

Do you see this man?
He's not made of rock normally. He has to activate it. Now why would his passive skill( one you don't submit an action for, leave him as rock permanetly? It doesn't add up. If he's not rock hard normally, then his passive a skill that automatically happens, shouldn't make him rock hard unless he says so. Also as far as I know, Eijiro never protects anyone with his quirk in a body guard sense. He steps into fights and blocks shots but he never is truly defending someone, except sort of allmight in s1, but its not a pure defense. He uses his ability to protect himself more then anything.

On top of that, why would the bodyguard one of the best town roles in the game, claim day 2 and reveal they lost their bulletproof? They now have a target on their back and will die. It doesn't add up.

 

[Pokechu]

I meant that he glued praline reminding him of Golden's request with Werekill's claim/story. Not anything about Golden's quirk (which is the Navel Laser, supposedly). As in, he saw that Were got shot and is a bodyguard, saw that Golden requested people aim at him last night, and just kinda rolled with that story. "I made Were protect Golden because Golden asked to be targeted!"

And yet there's not a lot of stuff to back that up. Golden supposedly didn't get a notification that he's been protected. Werekill is still alive, because if he wasn't able to passive himself, then he'd be dead.

*shrug*
If anyone could give me a better person to vote for that'd be useful.

Ohh OK that makes more sense! It is plausible that happened but I really don't see reason for scum to get themselves in that deep, start the day phase out saying there was a forge, reveal their ability, throw shade on the most active player, etc... Z has been in a lot of games so I don't think he'd fly off the handle with a ragtag story like that LOL

and I usually don't vote unless I'm really sold on someone or it's a tie, I'm more of a words person

Nobody's calling it a day yet tbh

Naaah, I'm not trying to say that people are really packing it in. Just that Z was getting votes thrown at him like there was rockhard evidence he was scum LOL you voted for him, werekill did, Uni did, Poy did, and praline did, that's five votes

 

[Z25]

And before you try to see this as defending Were, it's not.

The only other possibility I can think of is that you're right, but Were lied, is scum and intentionally suggested a no kill to his scummates to prove his claim.

Well, the only one besides Pokechu's Bus Driver theory.

I literally had no intention to suggestt that your defending him there. Your post is literally logic, why would I argue against it?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

On top of that, why would the bodyguard one of the best town roles in the game, claim day 2 and reveal they lost their bulletproof? They now have a target on their back and will die. It doesn't add up.

... Now that you mention it... he's been pretty secretive about his role on day 1, never saying a thing about his abilities after his gambit, and now, he's just open about it?

At this point, either you're scum or he is. I refuse to believe that both of you are townies. Especially when you're both telling stories that don't add up with the other.

I literally had no intention to suggestt that your defending him there. Your post is literally logic, why would I argue against it?

Just wanted to make sure since my other post was logic as well and yet, you saw it as Were defense.

 

[Pyra]

Ok now for this. How or why doesn't my story line up? I came out right away when I heard were's claim. It didn't add up with my acctions so I spoke out. Thats pretty normal to me. If were never claimed that, I would have kept my role a secret because its a good power role and I had no reason to reveal it yet. My forger theory was just that, a theory but its one that makes way more sense then people seem to think. There's a decent character choice for this, and we have enough to say that shiny's pm was fishy.

So what's wrong with my train of thought? Am i missing something?

Now let's look at were's claim:
https://bokunoheroacademia.fandom.com/wiki/Eijiro_Kirishima

Do you see this man?
He's not made of rock normally. He has to activate it. Now why would his passive skill( one you don't submit an action for, leave him as rock permanetly? It doesn't add up. If he's not rock hard normally, then his passive a skill that automatically happens, shouldn't make him rock hard unless he says so. Also as far as I know, Eijiro never protects anyone with his quirk in a body guard sense. He steps into fights and blocks shots but he never is truly defending someone, except sort of allmight in s1, but its not a pure defense. He uses his ability to protect himself more then anything.

On top of that, why would the bodyguard one of the best town roles in the game, claim day 2 and reveal they lost their bulletproof? They now have a target on their back and will die. It doesn't add up.

I'm just gonna go ahead and say you should probably strip the flavor from your logic for a sec.

As far as I'm aware, it's very common for a bodyguard-type character in these mafia games to have a bulletproof vest-like ability that gets used up.

Mind you, I don't care about whatever the stupid mafia meta is outside this game, and Were is also very high on my suspicion list and I've never made that a secret.

 

[Z25]

Are you a Bus Driver, or a redirector? They're almost the same thing but still vastly different. Even if you were able to redirect Werekill to Golden, that would only result in a dead Werekill. But a bus drive might be different.

I'm a redirector. Here's how I had my role described in pm:

As we know, people have normal abillities and quirk abilities.

Quirks are usually active skills, but I was told some are passive.

Normal abilities can also count as active and be redirected. Not all of them can be though for both. From what I understood because I asked in response to the mechanics of were's protetor ability claim, if that's how my quirk would work in that scenario.

There's was nothing I was told that said I couldn't active something like that in a theoritical situation, and from I gained I should have been able to affect Werekill's normal ability if it is the truth.

Unless again I'm misunderstanding, but I don't think I did. I was very through in asking, knowing what it would get me into here.

 

[Pokechu]

On top of that, why would the bodyguard one of the best town roles in the game, claim day 2 and reveal they lost their bulletproof? They now have a target on their back and will die. It doesn't add up.

Could you clarify what you mean by the bolded? I think you may've left out a word LOL

Also, it's not necessarily true that Werekill has a target on his back. There might be doctors or another watcher that could dissuade mafia from targeting him.

 

[Z25]

... Now that you mention it... he's been pretty secretive about his role on day 1, never saying a thing about his abilities after his gambit, and now, he's just open about it?

At this point, either you're scum or he is. I refuse to believe that both of you are townies. Especially when you're both telling stories that don't add up with the other.


Just wanted to make sure since my other post was logic as well and yet, you saw it as Were defense.

Not to mention he claimed he had multiple good abilites, and that he didn't want want to reveal them.

So your gonna really come out day 2 and tell us everything, while also basically guranting you die by mafia next night as you have one of the greatest town assets? I'm sorry I don't buy it. On top of everything else he's down and then trying to push me as fishing for role claims, when he came right out and said his without be asked for no reasson?

He's the one that makes less sense then I do, and that's honestly not even bias.

 

[Deleted member]

Might as well explain what the Navel Laser does, if that helps with any claims of what happened.

If I was targeted last night by two or more people, the laser would reveal to those who targeted me who else targeted me.

This is why I'm confused about Z25's claim. If his redirect counts as targeting me and I was shot at or Werekill's active ability was used on me, then Z25 and Werekill should have been alerted that the other had also targeted me or the one who shot me if I had been shot.

 

[Pokechu]

Not to mention he claimed he had multiple good abilites, and that he didn't want want to reveal them.

When did he say this? Could you quote it or give me the post number?

sorry to quote your posts so many times btw

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Could you clarify what you mean by the bolded? I think you may've left out a word LOL

He forgot a comma.

"Why would the bodyguard, one of the best town roles in the game..."

 

[Z25]

I'm just gonna go ahead and say you should probably strip the flavor from your logic for a sec.

As far as I'm aware, it's very common for a bodyguard-type character in these mafia games to have a bulletproof vest-like ability that gets used up.

Mind you, I don't care about whatever the stupid mafia meta is outside this game, and Were is also very high on my suspicion list and I've never made that a secret.

This is true, but there's also roles where bulletproof can be passed on to another if affected by another skill.

For example in pokemafia, opossum used a loophole iirc that essentially generated infinite bulletproofs for himself by using another skill from someone else. ( opossum had one bp for himself iirc).

So there are ways a bp can be affected and I don't see why were's shouldn't have been based on what i know.

Could you clarify what you mean by the bolded? I think you may've left out a word LOL

Also, it's not necessarily true that Werekill has a target on his back. There might be doctors or another watcher that could dissuade mafia from targeting him.

See what uni says in the post above.

 

[praline]

Ok now for this. How or why doesn't my story line up? I came out right away when I heard were's claim. It didn't add up with my acctions so I spoke out. Thats pretty normal to me. If were never claimed that, I would have kept my role a secret because its a good power role and I had no reason to reveal it yet. My forger theory was just that, a theory but its one that makes way more sense then people seem to think. There's a decent character choice for this, and we have enough to say that shiny's pm was fishy.

So what's wrong with my train of thought? Am i missing something?

Now let's look at were's claim:
https://bokunoheroacademia.fandom.com/wiki/Eijiro_Kirishima

Do you see this man?
He's not made of rock normally. He has to activate it. Now why would his passive skill( one you don't submit an action for, leave him as rock permanetly? It doesn't add up. If he's not rock hard normally, then his passive a skill that automatically happens, shouldn't make him rock hard unless he says so. Also as far as I know, Eijiro never protects anyone with his quirk in a body guard sense. He steps into fights and blocks shots but he never is truly defending someone, except sort of allmight in s1, but its not a pure defense. He uses his ability to protect himself more then anything.

On top of that, why would the bodyguard one of the best town roles in the game, claim day 2 and reveal they lost their bulletproof? They now have a target on their back and will die. It doesn't add up.

This is pretty much my thoughts just put together better lol

Unvote Z25

Might as well explain what the Navel Laser does, if that helps with any claims of what happened.

If I was targeted last night by two or more people, the laser would reveal to those who targeted me who else targeted me.

This is why I'm confused about Z25's claim. If his redirect counts as targeting me and I was shot at or Werekill's active ability was used on me, then Z25 and Werekill should have been alerted that the other had also targeted me or the one who shot me if I had been shot.

that’s actually a pretty cool ability if it’s true, if not then shame on Shish for not making this.

 

[Z25]

When did he say this? Could you quote it or give me the post number?

sorry to quote your posts so many times btw

let me do some digging. I was parapharsing, but he seemed to imply he had a good kit. So if its so great and he was that secretive, I don't see why he'd straight out say it day 2.

 

[Pyra]

Might as well explain what the Navel Laser does, if that helps with any claims of what happened.

If I was targeted last night by two or more people, the laser would reveal to those who targeted me who else targeted me.

This is why I'm confused about Z25's claim. If his redirect counts as targeting me and I was shot at or Werekill's active ability was used on me, then Z25 and Werekill should have been alerted that the other had also targeted me or the one who shot me if I had been shot.

Either way, Were and the Killer would target you in both situations.

The one situation I can think of that would make this moot is if Z25's ability was ineffective, Were was targeted, and his passive was used, you being untouched.
Which is what I still think happened, but I'm willing to be wrong, haha.

This is true, but there's also roles where bulletproof can be passed on to another if affected by another skill.

For example in pokemafia, opossum used a loophole iirc that essentially generated infinite bulletproofs for himself by using another skill from someone else. ( opossum had one bp for himself iirc).

So there are ways a bp can be affected and I don't see why were's shouldn't have been based on what i know.

I look forward to seeing how this plays out.


Heading to bed now, folks. Behave yourselves.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

let me do some digging. I was parapharsing, but he seemed to imply he had a good kit. So if its so great and he was that secretive, I don't see why he'd straight out say it day 2.

It also straight up debunks the theory I had on him in day 1, the one theory that held me back from outright focusing on him.

That he was a bomb and was purposely baiting for a mafia kill.

 

[Pyra]

By "in both situations" i mean "whether or not it counts as targeting you"

 

[Pyra]

As far as I care, currently, not all of Z, Were, and Golden are telling the truth.

One of them is lying hardcore, and one of those three are scum, I think.
Golden isn't very likely to me, though.

Watch the egg land on my face and all three of them are town and this was all a pointless cluster**** lol

 

[Dooplissity]

I'm home now, gonna do some digging w/r/t shiny

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

@GoldenYuiitusin Do you also get informed of who targeted you?

 

[Z25]

It also straight up debunks the theory I had on him in day 1, the one theory that held me back from outright focusing on him.

That he was a bomb and was purposely baiting for a mafia kill.

Yes something else I should mention.

Why should we trust a full claim from were after that bull**** cop claim day one?

He's already shown we shouldn't trust his claims, so why are we still treating him as town. He's been just as scummy from the start.

 

[Pyra]

so why are we still treating him as town.

I want someone to look at me in the face-eyes and tell me they are sure Were is town.

They can't.

 

[praline]

Yes something else I should mention.

Why should we trust a full claim from were after that bull**** cop claim day one?

He's already shown we shouldn't trust his claims, so why are we still treating him as town. He's been just as scummy from the start.

I want someone to look at me in the face-eyes and tell me they are sure Were is town.

They can't.

I mean yeah he’s been giving me scummy vibes too

 

[Z25]

Could you clarify what you mean by the bolded? I think you may've left out a word LOL

Also, it's not necessarily true that Werekill has a target on his back. There might be doctors or another watcher that could dissuade mafia from targeting him.

Forgot to answer the bottom part.

We absolutely do not have a reviver. I'd bet more money on it. The only doctor in the show can only fix injuries, and only a certain number of times. If she heals the same injury to many times, the body is permantely damaged and wont be able to recover. So I don't see a reviver. Its a doctor or role blocker, if not both. I don't know who would be a good roleblocker chose though. Cementos maybe.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

I want someone to look at me in the face-eyes and tell me they are sure Were is town.

They can't.

To be fair that's hard to do for anybody...

 

[Deleted member]

@GoldenYuiitusin Do you also get informed of who targeted you?

Based on wording, no.
Only the ones who target me see who all has targeted me.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

@GoldenYuiitusin Do you also get informed of who targeted you?

Gonna go sleep, so if it takes me a few hours to reply to whatever you answer, Goldie, that's why.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Right as I say it, he answers lmao

Alright, fine.

Based on wording, no.
Only the ones who target me see who all has targeted me.

Then in that case...

Z25 Did you get that?

 

[Pyra]

To be fair that's hard to do for anybody...

Exactly :U
My point being that nobody is treating him as town like Z was saying.

 

[Z25]

Based on wording, no.
Only the ones who target me see who all has targeted me.

Right as I say it, he answers lmao

Alright, fine.


Then in that case...

Z25 Did you get that?

so golden, the people that target you are suppose to see who targeted you? That's weird as an ability.

Still is that correct? If so it makes no sense that from what I've been told my redirect should have worked, but I don't have anything indicating that.

The cross of everything here is way more confusing then it should be.

 

[Lore]

Why is literally no one talking about how Z25 didn't role claim until AFTER I voted for him? That was after my role was revealed, too.

He was active the entire time after I claimed, only revealing his "proof" against me after I voted for him and began pushing.

And he just HAPPENED to have targeted me with his ability (if I understand correctly) instead of someone else? And he only revealed this plus the bs flavor info AFTER I voted for him?

This player is scum. Simple as that. I'd double vote if I could.

 

[Pyra]

so golden, the people that target you are suppose to see who targeted you? That's weird as an ability.

Still is that correct? If so it makes no sense that from what I've been told my redirect should have worked, but I don't have anything indicating that.

The cross of everything here is way more confusing then it should be.

I’m thinking that, if you aren’t lying, then your quirk most certainly didn’t do anything. This would also not conflict with what Were and Golden were saying, and this whole conversation was just a farce based on a miscommunication.

 

[Pyra]

Why is literally no one talking about how Z25 didn't role claim until AFTER I voted for him? That was after my role was revealed, too.

He was active the entire time after I claimed, only revealing his "proof" against me after I voted for him and began pushing.

And he just HAPPENED to have targeted me with his ability (if I understand correctly) instead of someone else? And he only revealed this plus the bs flavor info AFTER I voted for him?

This player is scum. Simple as that. I'd double vote if I could.

that was literally one of my points against him earlier

 

[Lore]

that was literally one of my points against him earlier

Oof, I missed it then.

Either way, this guy is incredibly scummy. Like besides all this stuff, who IMMEDIATELY suspects a forger after a flip? It's a rare role, as far as I can tell.

 

[Z25]

Why is literally no one talking about how Z25 didn't role claim until AFTER I voted for him? That was after my role was revealed, too.

He was active the entire time after I claimed, only revealing his "proof" against me after I voted for him and began pushing.

And he just HAPPENED to have targeted me with his ability (if I understand correctly) instead of someone else? And he only revealed this plus the bs flavor info AFTER I voted for him?

This player is scum. Simple as that. I'd double vote if I could.

I’m thinking that, if you aren’t lying, then your quirk most certainly didn’t do anything. This would also not conflict with what Were and Golden were saying, and this whole conversation was just a farce based on a miscommunication.

We already went over this. I needed to fact check before countering. I wanted to focus on the forgery theory.

However then I saw your post and having redirected you, it made no sense to me. There were also like 30 new posts at a time, I had a lot to reply to back to back.

Trying to use time as a reason to lynch someone is honestly the worst push I've seen.

You've been a liar, tried to keep your role secret, full claimed day 2 supposedly, after alreading fake claiming and saying you wnated to protect your role. You also went after me for saying we should lynch shiny, then proceeded to bus him hours later. On top of that your doing the same thing as day one trying to set lynches up.

You've been the scummiest player here lets be honest.

 

[Z25]

Oof, I missed it then.

Either way, this guy is incredibly scummy. Like besides all this stuff, who IMMEDIATELY suspects a forger after a flip? It's a rare role, as far as I can tell.

A rare role does not equal non existent. Thats a pretty stupid argument to say a theory makes no sense. Your trying so hard to shut people do and its laughable that you haven't been lynched.

I may die, but I sure as hell am making sure scum like you get taken out after me.

Vote: Werekill


Pyra @GoldenYuiitusin your both just as against were as I am, not to mention Golden's "Lynch all liars" statement.

Are your going to see here and let someone who's been aiming to lie to town and misleading them at every chance he gets? We shouldn't trust Werekill, if your that against him, then I suggest voting.

Especially since I can easily further prove my role tonight if anyone wants. Something Were can not.

 

[Lore]

We already went over this. I needed to fact check before countering. I wanted to focus on the forgery theory.

However then I saw your post and having redirected you, it made no sense to me. There were also like 30 new posts at a time, I had a lot to reply to back to back.

Trying to use time as a reason to lynch someone is honestly the worst push I've seen.

You've been a liar, tried to keep your role secret, full claimed day 2 supposedly, after alreading fake claiming and saying you wnated to protect your role. You also went after me for saying we should lynch shiny, then proceeded to bus him hours later. On top of that your doing the same thing as day one trying to set lynches up.

You've been the scummiest player here lets be honest.

You're being intentionally misleading here. Stop that.

Why did you focus on the forgery theory, immediately? Why did you not IMMEDIATELY respond with your action "proof," with plenty of time between the claim and my vote? Plenty of posts of your own, too.

I never once used time to push for a lynch. Shiny was being very suspicious, as I repeatedly pointed out.

Why would I not keep my role secret after a D1 day claim, particularly when I wanted mafia to eventually shoot me and prevent a kill? Hell, I had zero reason to full claim D1 even if I was a VT.

I went after you for shiny, then shiny posted. When shiny posted, he was suspicious as hell. This is an empty point and false, from you.

 

[Lore]

A rare role does not equal non existent. Thats a pretty stupid argument to say a theory makes no sense. Your trying so hard to shut people do and its laughable that you haven't been lynched.

I may die, but I sure as hell am making sure scum like you get taken out after me.

Vote: Werekill


Pyra @GoldenYuiitusin your both just as against were as I am, not to mention Golden's "Lynch all liars" statement.

Are your going to see here and let someone who's been aiming to lie to town and misleading them at every chance he gets? We shouldn't trust Werekill, if your that against him, then I suggest voting.

Especially since I can easily further prove my role tonight if anyone wants. Something Were can not.

I'm not even bothering to reply to this garbage appeal to emotion.

If this post doesn't set off alarm bells of desperation for everyone, that's ridiculous.

 

[Lore]

Wait a minute. Wait a ****ING minute. I think I just realized another slip up.

You also went after me for saying we should lynch shiny, then proceeded to bus him hours later.

How is lynching someone "town" bussing? I thought Shiny was flipped as town?

Didn't you just go out of your way to bring up a forgery, a rare role that can fake roles?

 

[Dooplissity]

Oof, I missed it then.

Either way, this guy is incredibly scummy. Like besides all this stuff, who IMMEDIATELY suspects a forger after a flip? It's a rare role, as far as I can tell.

have been playing a long ass time, can confirm it is a rare sight


On another note, is NOBODY going to analyze what we can get from Shiny's flip, beyond role speculation? I get that there's a cluster of role interactions going on, but doing some traditional scumhunting would benefit us.

I obviously do not believe there's a forger, so having re-read under the assumption that Shiny is Town, my thoughts on a high level are this: it makes a lot of sense for anyone, whether town or mafia, to jump on him after he refused to cooperate, so I think there's little to be gained from the end of the wagon.

But, it makes sense for mafia to spotlight him as a potential suspect early, so that they could jump on later if Shinywagon got going (which it did), The players that did this early on are Unikorn, Golden, and Z25. Golden's claim today seems genuine and trying to help, so I'm willing to drop my suspicion on him at the moment.

That leaves Unikorn and Z25 as suspects for me w/r/t the Shiny's townflip. I previously already suspected Unikorn, and Z25 v Werekill I read as TvT, so that would leave me with Unikorn as my top scumread, not factoring in what's happened D2. But obviously, a lot of **** has gone down today. I need to figure out how much I weigh that against my D1 reads, but I'm almost certainly going to end on one of these two.

preview edit: werekill's 919 happened as I was writing this, that sells me on vote z25. Rest of post left as-is to illustrate thought process.