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My Fellow Sheik Mainers, I am asking a serious question.

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JonaDiaper

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in all truth and reality....its too easy to be good at and main sheik. im not hating on you sheik mainers, or mainer mainers. but, really sheik is soo easy. i mean, sheik is like the brawl part of melee. throw in a few mindgames and you win. tech skill not that necessary. and if it is, its the basics, shffling, wave dashing and your good. why main sheik???? lack of tech skill perhaps?
 

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yea i gotta side with luma on this one

yes, it's easy to generalize and say sheik's "easy to play" and there's a certain amount of truth to this statement, but this doesn't automatically make her unbeatable, and empirically, it's just not true......at all
 

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with sheik its easy to get so a level where other chars really need some techskill and sheik doenst
but if you go further on with sheik its getting quite hard to keep up
 

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how come you have never won a tournament with sheik then?
cuz i main falcon.

sheik is a girl.

falcon=manly

get it?

if someone like mango or any other good smasher picked up sheik

they would probably take out m2k. m2k says sheik ***** marth all the time.

and ive seen m2k **** spacies. so im saying sheik probably has more potential

then the other high tiers. but people get caught up with her ease and never advance.
 

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sheik is easy to be if everyone you play sucks, basically when your buddies actually start to get GOOD at tech skill then sheik falls behind. so essentially her easier beginner level takes away from her expert level options because she isn't technical. you have to overcome flashy bull**** with intelligence, efficient combos etc, just so happens the combos dont take ten thousand buttons presses.

my guess is you get beat by sheiks all the time and hate on them to feel better lmao
 

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sheik is easy to be if everyone you play sucks, basically when your buddies actually start to get GOOD at tech skill then sheik falls behind. so essentially her easier beginner level takes away from her expert level options because she isn't technical. you have to overcome flashy bull**** with intelligence, efficient combos etc, just so happens the combos dont take ten thousand buttons presses.

my guess is you get beat by sheiks all the time and hate on them to feel better lmao
lmao no.

lets say this. i have a certain amount of skill with falcon.

you have the same amount of skill with fox.

our matches go even.

you start using sheik. you beat me 3/4ths of the time now, with no amount of sheik practice/knowledge.

im pretty sure this would be true
 

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lmao no.

lets say this. i have a certain amount of skill with falcon.

you have the same amount of skill with fox.

our matches go even.

you start using sheik. you beat me 3/4ths of the time now, with no amount of sheik practice/knowledge.

im pretty sure this would be true
Doubtful.

Now you're just grasping straws.

Smooth Criminal
 

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Doubtful.

Now you're just grasping straws.

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i think its true. i play with my buddy max. i believe he was doc?

i have a hard time with him. hes too gay. (i was falcon)

i went sheik for the heck of it. i believe i won my first match vs doc and he switched

i did pretty well against him. better then i would have with falcon

ive mained falcon for a year.
 

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have you ever heard of counters or bad matchups? falcon is bad against sheik. but fox isn't, falco isn't, jigglypuff isn't. come on, learn that
 

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have you ever heard of counters or bad matchups? falcon is bad against sheik. but fox isn't, falco isn't, jigglypuff isn't. come on, learn that
um i was falcon on doc. i lost. isnt that doc's worst matchup? ya.

i went sheik. i win? not docs worst matchup? ya.

also, when m2k goes sheik he ***** spacies.

maybe thats just cuz hes m2k but still.

if someone catches up to his level they can do the same.


plus, doesnt sheik like auto combo with almost all her moves??? ya too easy man
 

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plus, doesnt sheik like auto combo with almost all her moves??? ya too easy man
Ever hear of good DI and spacing?

Ya. Too easy, man.

Edit: Not all of Sheik's tilt combos can be escaped from easily (poor Space Animals), but you're not going to pull a big string off of somebody that knows how to do those two things. Especially the latter, when they just cruise in and out of your range with good DD camping.

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Ever hear of good DI and spacing?

Ya. Too easy, man.

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haha i remember watching some MLG vids with the commentary.

i believe it was Wife who was saying stuff like

f tilt to fair auto combo, he keeps looking for those auto combos

f tilt is too quick to di well. so are almost all of sheiks set up moves for her fair.



Edit: not just the space animals. marth too. so basically its the top tier.

sheiks has needles for good DD camping.
 

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haha i remember watching some MLG vids with the commentary.

i believe it was Wife who was saying stuff like

f tilt to fair auto combo, he keeps looking for those auto combos

f tilt is too quick to di well. so are almost all of sheiks set up moves for her fair.
Everything leads to f-air, man. I won't dispute that.

:laugh:

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so falcon is not easy? just throw to knee
falco is not easy? just spam shl and some pillaring
fox is not easy? some shine combos and upthrow to nearly anything

just stfu if you dont play melee on a certain level, thx
 

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It's kinda funny 'cause you're complaining about everything Sheik doing ending in fair when Falcon does the exact same thing.

Also, as a side note, I'd like to point out that Falcon can't be that manly if he loses to a girl.
 

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Jona used to be pretty high up in my book for being pretty cool and stuff, but now that he's whining like a little prissy b¡tch...just leave. This thread had a question directed towards Sheik Mainers, not you. Make a thread and whine there.
 

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"Sheik is easy to play" is a ******** statement b/c that is only true when it comes to tech skill, which is a very small part of overall skill
Tech skill is the only skill that could somehow be called character specific tho, but that's beyond the point...
You guys know what takes skill? REAL skill? winning against good opponents. No character johns
 

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um i was falcon on doc. i lost. isnt that doc's worst matchup? ya.

i went sheik. i win? not docs worst matchup? ya.

also, when m2k goes sheik he ***** spacies.

maybe thats just cuz hes m2k but still.

if someone catches up to his level they can do the same.


plus, doesnt sheik like auto combo with almost all her moves??? ya too easy man
sounds like your opponent was bad vs sheik, or your falcon wasn't good? like i said sheik is easy to pick up for beginners so maybe your sheik was on that doc's level.

if you played DJ Nintendo's mario as sheik you would get completely ***** unless you actually were good with sheik....also M2K can beat alot of spacies with a lot of characters, he is M2K. his opinions aren't fact though.

and every characters has "auto combos" and all those can be effected by DI so yea =/
 

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so falcon is not easy? just throw to knee
falco is not easy? just spam shl and some pillaring
fox is not easy? some shine combos and upthrow to nearly anything

just stfu if you dont play melee on a certain level, thx


I agree characters has like their thing that = ****, but falco's and fox's require more technical skill in order to pull off..sheik you just tilt forward press a, jump and fair...sheik is the easiest high/top tier player to learn imho, but once you get to a certain level of play you have to be a smart player instead of just technical...which is why M2K can **** as almost any character, cuz he plays smart.
 

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that really only effects learning curve though, once technical stuff for fox/falco becomes second nature, which is does for most people, thats when sheik has to overcome the crazy tech abilities of other characters with her grab/combo game. good people dont get grabbed and combo'd every second, you will get your fair share of *** kicking as sheik, she gets comboed too
 

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oh i know she can get her **** combo'd....like i said once you reach a certain point shiek players have to be smarter because you cant keepspeedn with liek falco and fox all day
 

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Jona used to be pretty high up in my book for being pretty cool and stuff, but now that he's whining like a little prissy b¡tch...just leave. This thread had a question directed towards Sheik Mainers, not you. Make a thread and whine there.
lol i dont really care about this topic. i was just saying my opinion.

plus thats a pretty bad reason to lose respect from me. you think im whining?

im arguing a point. that =/= whining.

"Sheik is easy to play" is a ******** statement b/c that is only true when it comes to tech skill, which is a very small part of overall skill
Tech skill is the only skill that could somehow be called character specific tho, but that's beyond the point...
You guys know what takes skill? REAL skill? winning against good opponents. No character johns
thats the thing. you need less tech skill, so you have more time to spend thinking. preparing in your mind. instead of being someone like fox that your fingers are moving at 600mph and then if you mess up one thing you get *****. sheik cant really mess up or be punished.

sounds like your opponent was bad vs sheik, or your falcon wasn't good? like i said sheik is easy to pick up for beginners so maybe your sheik was on that doc's level.

if you played DJ Nintendo's mario as sheik you would get completely ***** unless you actually were good with sheik....also M2K can beat alot of spacies with a lot of characters, he is M2K. his opinions aren't fact though.

and every characters has "auto combos" and all those can be effected by DI so yea =/
noo the doc's level is gay. (gay=good) my falcon is pretty good, i like to think. im getting alot better with more experience.

I agree characters has like their thing that = ****, but falco's and fox's require more technical skill in order to pull off..sheik you just tilt forward press a, jump and fair...sheik is the easiest high/top tier player to learn imho, but once you get to a certain level of play you have to be a smart player instead of just technical...which is why M2K can **** as almost any character, cuz he plays smart.
ya.

that really only effects learning curve though, once technical stuff for fox/falco becomes second nature, which is does for most people, thats when sheik has to overcome the crazy tech abilities of other characters with her grab/combo game. good people dont get grabbed and combo'd every second, you will get your fair share of *** kicking as sheik, she gets comboed too
it can become second nature but theres always the chance of you screwing up and when you do...*****. thats the point im trying to make. get it?

forget the whole conversation. its kinda pointless. opinions will just be opinions anyways.
 

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you might beat me in falcon dittos.

but i would beat you with roy.

edit: you guys need to lighten up with the insults.

so what if im arguing a point. get over it.

stop talking **** and just dont say anything if you can respond with anything logical

or relevant.
 

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Sheik is easier to pick up as a character than the other top tiers.

I don't think anyone can dispute that.

To play a character at high level it's hard no matter who you pick but it is admittedly easier with Sheik. Part of this stems mainly from the lessened need for a "perfectionist" technical game. Fox, Falco, and to a lesser extend Marth, have a difficult technical curve to deal with. Fox and Falco can't miss L-cancel, must CC every move that could knock them over, avoid any moves they can't CC that could knock them over, and if they fail to do any of those they die. Marth has to be able to move fluently (because his movement is primarily a mix of WD and DD rather than dash and WD back) to maximize his positional advantages and nowadays I'd argue it's imperative to be able to pivot grab when it's necessary during the U-throw CG on Fox to ensure he dies or, at minimum, takes 70+ from a grab on FD without the need for grab attacks (with the rise of better grab breaking).

Sheik doesn't have this issue, she's more reaction based out of grabs on fast fallers (although prediction works very, very well too if you do the right stuff). And, even better, her window of punishment on characters like Marth and Peach (semifloaties) out of grab is very large. She's not ultra complex (although I don't think any of the top tiers are). She needs spacing like everyone else, but her spacing game doesn't change with tiny differences in distance like Marth's, and she's not quite as prone to dying out of a single hit or tech chase like Fox. Her chain grab is much easier to do than Marth's, and while her recovery is easily punished, she probably has one of the least "gimpable" recoveries in the sense that there's little risk of being B-thrown by someone and dying.

Cactuar, whom I trust on the matter, has even said her combos are stupidly easy and to pick her up is also fairly easy. A great deal of this stems from her absurd priority and range attached to gay hitboxes and her grab game. Then you get into needles and her gimp game...

No, I think Sheik is very easy to pick up and play. For competitive purposes at the moment I think Fox is better but Sheik is certainly easier to pick up as a character and learn.

Having said that I don't think to play at high level it's easy with anyone. Even Sheik.

edit: OP we're amazing because we play the Super ******.
 

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just stop trolling

and srsly just because shiek doenst have those crazy techskills bull**** things like doubleshine bla etc who cares doenst mean that you dont need fast fingers

and that sheiks recovery isnt easy gimpable is just bull****, you just cant really gimp her outside of the stage, so you have to punish the upb lag, i'd rather have fox's recovery with sheik
 

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how i am trolling?

and no you dont need fast fingers at all man

how can you even say that.

i bet if you look at a sheik players hands compared to

a fox players hands it looks like the one who's

playing as sheik is playing brawl.
 
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