My crewmate kewk's way to jab lock with kirby

[TLMSheikant]

I dont know if this has been known already. I havent seen anything of the sort here in kirby boards. Anyway, Im just posting this because my friend and crewmate kewk (mains kirby and ZSS) wanted to contribute. If this is known mods can close this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceeY1CLoOP8

 

[t!MmY]

I'll remember this the next time I have someone at 143%+ and they don't tech roll.

(PS, Kirby's Jab Combos work best with a F-smash or Hammer finisher for maximum pwnage)

 

[~Gonzo~]

yeah, like Timmy siad it'll only work at high percents and when the last hit of the Dair misses. If the last hit hits the opponent they get hit to far away for Lab lock

 

[TLMSheikant]

"Kewk says that the last hit (landing hit) of the dair can be easily avoided if practiced. From the ledge, don't fastfall onto the stage while using dair, and ON the stage, fastfall when you're at the peak height of the first jump"

 

[DFat2]

"Kewk says that the last hit (landing hit) of the dair can be easily avoided if practiced. From the ledge, don't fastfall onto the stage while using dair, and ON the stage, fastfall when you're at the peak height of the first jump"

Your right, you can easily avoid the last hit, but the other hits don't make the opponent land in a Jab Lock Position. That happens when your opponent is at, like timmy and Gonzo already said, high percents. In any other Case, the Opponent could DI.

 

[Kewkky]

For everyone else who fails to read the Youtube description: This is just an alternative to a normal kill, if and only if your opponent can and will live beyond 200percent. This works on any character, though, but recommended for heavy survivalists!

Plus, the description also says that the opponent has to be at an average of 143percent, meaning that for it to work on ANY character, at 143percent, even Snake can get jab-locked into a free fsmash (safer than the hammer).

I cannot stop stressing that it's just an easier way to KO opponents, and just like G&W's dthrow dsmash combo, Lucas' dair dtilt to fsmash combo, and other of the sorts, can be tech'd.

 

[DC]

Would dtilt put them into jab lock position?

 

[Kewkky]

Nope, dtilt doesn't put them in jab position. Tripping them won't put them in jab position either, if you were thinking of Diddy. What happens when they trip is that any interaction with them counts as if they were standing, except their options have been reduced to those of a character that didn't tech and faceplanted.

Jab position, as far as I know, is when the opponent falls flat on his ace, and has the options to roll away, stand on spot, or get up with an attack. A trip has this limit, but they're not laying down on the floor, so once you hit them, they stand up.

Dair is the easiest way to force your opponent into jab position AND fall right next to them in a small fraction of a second, enough to start your first jab, commencing said jab-lock... Which, in turn, leads to an easier-than-normal kill, and if you fail the jab, since it's a fast animation, your opponent won't have time to punish you after rolling away, which also means it's safe.

 

[Kewkky]

I forgot to add... The only way the opponent can DI out of the ledge dair is by moving behind kirby, which you just fix by turning aroun one landing, jabbing once, and fsmashing, OOOOR, you could utild/dsmash/guess where he will roll and fsmash in that direction.

(sorry for posting again, I'm writing from a mobile device, and it doesn't allow me to edit my posts... Doesn't recognize the text box in the "edit" or "reply" links, just the Quick Reply)

 

[SmileyStation]

I think youre missing the point however. There are better ways to KO as Kirby.

Chances are if youre opponent is that high at %, youre prolly not winning anyway :|

 

[~Gonzo~]

Dair vs snake = Utilt to the face

 

[A1lion835]

Dair vs snake = Utilt to the face

Yesh.

If your opponent is at 143%, chances are:

A) You're losing.
B) You could've just KO'd them with an fsmash anyway

And honestly, they have so much time to realize that they need to techroll. It's just pointless.

 

[fromundaman]

Seriously, a Fsmash and hammer aren't your only options at that point. On certain characters Ftilt will kill at that percent, Bair can kill then, Hyphen smash will kill, Uthrow may kill depending on the character/stage/if they momentum cancel or not, and Dsmash would also kill by that time. Honestly, they really should be dying, and even if they aren't, landing a Dair that doesn't get techrolled against an opponent that managed to survive that long will not happen often enough to really be all that useful.

 

[Kewkky]

::sigh:: Yet again, people fail to understand what it is I'm saying...

Fine. If tourney competition videos is what you guys want as proof for this jab-lock's usefulness, then that's what you guys'll get. This saturday (24th) I'm going to a pretty big tourney in PR, and record some matches of my ZSS and Kirby. If you want to see the jab-lock in action IN MOMENTS WHERE IT HELPS MORE THAN AN EASILY-AVOIDED HAMMER OR SHIELDGRABBED FSMASH, then January 26 is your day (day that I upload all the videos).

Stay pink and puffy until then.

 

[fromundaman]

But again, those aren't your only kill options at that point. If you're landing a Dair at those percents, couldn't you have just done a Bair instead? Couldn't you just follow the Dair with a Fsmash instead of the jabs?

 

[Kewkky]

High level brawlers expect fast attacks and punish you for then. DDD's case, his shieldgrabs are insanely fast, making bair/fsmashes/hammer approaches useless o grab-happy DDD mainers, PLUS they DI and momentum-cancel like gods. A good DDD can survive easily to 170percent and higher, plus he counters your approaches with shieldgrabs and surprise inhales.

All I'm saying is that, if you have to choose a way of getting back on-stage from a ledge, why not a dair? Multiple hits assure a shielding opponent and lagless landing, which can be used to roll away or spot-dodge. If you see your dair hits and he's not teching, make it a mission to land in front of him and try a jab. Lagless landing means you'll be able to jab EXACTLY when you touch the floor, meaning 100percent chance of jablocking if done properly, which leads to a free fsmash and easy kill... Plus safe! And since characters like DDD survive so long into the match, this jab-lock alternative shouldn't be passed up. No one techs everything and no one is immune to mindgames. It will work against any person who knows nothing of the jab-lock, and you'd be surprised at the amount of people who don't expect ace-in-the-sleeves from other characters.

I recommend either waiting for my videos, or try this out in friendlies... And remember, IT'S JUST A KO ALTERNATIVE! Don't ruin your approaches trying to land a dair, use it only when it might be worth it, and against characters which are obviously worth it!

 

[~Gonzo~]

it doesnt make it useless, u can space ur Bairs so u dont get grabbed, and i understand this is an alternative, but its going around the bush to KO ur opponent, their are easier less punishable ways to setup KO opportunities, especially b/c Dair is the easiest move to shield grab

 

[BurtonEarny]

it doesnt make it useless, u can space ur Bairs so u dont get grabbed, and i understand this is an alternative, but its going around the bush to KO ur opponent, their are easier less punishable ways to setup KO opportunities, especially b/c Dair is the easiest move to shield grab

qft. Spacing bairs to not get grabbed will forever be safer. The lock is cool, but not very practical. Videos aren't going to change the fact that its not the best option when trying to k.o. I think it looks cool and all, but its still very situational and good luck hitting someone with that move at that percent when they will probably be playing defensivly anyway. To me, breaking someones shield and getting a free fsmash seems easier to do...

 

[~Gonzo~]

qft. Spacing bairs to not get grabbed will forever be safer. The lock is cool, but not very practical. Videos aren't going to change the fact that its not the best option when trying to k.o. I think it looks cool and all, but its still very situational and good luck hitting someone with that move at that percent when they will probably be playing defensivly anyway. To me, breaking someones shield and getting a free fsmash seems easier to do...

I'm not the one supporting the use of this. Grrrr many of the reasons y i come and go to the boards

 

[BurtonEarny]

I'm not the one supporting the use of this. Grrrr many of the reasons y i come and go to the boards

Huh? Was this directed at me, and if so, what exactly do you mean by it? I didnt say you were in support, I was agreeing with you about it being a worse alternative to a means of k.o.'ing an opponent.

 

[~Gonzo~]

my apologies then, usually when u quote someone and agree u say so, otherwise it usually is intended as a rebuttal.

 

[BurtonEarny]

my apologies then, usually when u quote someone and agree u say so, otherwise it usually is intended as a rebuttal.

qft= quoted for truth... its in my first post... no worries, sorry for the confusion.