Moving beyond technical profiency to "higher-level" fox play

[Zengar]

Hi, I'm relatively new to smashboards (although been lurking for years), and I've been playing Fox as my main for 2 years now. I've reached a good level of technical ability with fox in-game, meaning I wavedash, waveshine, drillshine, up throw u-air consistently, basic fox stuff.

Now I've been wanting to start exploring the higher-level of Fox play, the likes of PC, KDJ, M2K, and Jman. What are some mental aspects of playing Fox that I should be made aware, or is there a technical aspect to high-level Fox play?

Basically, the mental "wall" or obstacle I'm facing is that my technical ability can't match up to my mental thought-process. I would classify myself as a "mind-games" type player, more of a thinker/analyzer than a technical oriented Fox player that overwhelms the opponent. However, vs. Spacies with Fox, I find I get ***** hardbody if I take a mind-gamey approach against the fast over-whelming players

So how should I adapt my mental game to beat these types of players? Is there a technical aspect to Fox I should start exploring more heavily? How do I reach the next level with Fox? I consider myself average, now how do I become good?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

this is a path all jedi must walk alone

 

[Zengar]

>_>

So you're saying it's just experience that will get me through this phase?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

you are in the EC. go to a tournament and ask jman for some dittos and advice. that is the absolute best you can get, and even then he can only show you the door.

 

[JPOBS]

mindgames and techskill are not mutually exclusive prospects.
techskill acts as a medium for mindgames. you can have the best ideas in the world but if u cant perform them then it doesnt matter.

so wat im saying is, l2techskill, and then when u run into spacies who try to overwhelm you, you wont be overwhelmed cuz u can do it too.

 

[Mr.Fakeman]

You have the same problem as me, but I'm opposite. It really sucks to be too much of tech or mindgame, the best option we have is just balance both skills mate.

 

[LAX_]

your lucky you have all your techskill down as Fox. i still can only waveshine 50% lol.
best thing to do now is to go to tourneys. from now on its all experience.

 

[Zengar]

your lucky you have all your techskill down as Fox. i still can only waveshine 50% lol.
best thing to do now is to go to tourneys. from now on its all experience.

It's true, I need tourney experience. I played HBK in pools in a tourney about a year ago with fox, and he said I was good, just need experience...

 

[SpaceFalcon]

Hi, I'm relatively new to smashboards (although been lurking for years), and I've been playing Fox as my main for 2 years now. I've reached a good level of technical ability with fox in-game, meaning I wavedash, waveshine, drillshine, up throw u-air consistently, basic fox stuff.

Now I've been wanting to start exploring the higher-level of Fox play, the likes of PC, KDJ, M2K, and Jman. What are some mental aspects of playing Fox that I should be made aware, or is there a technical aspect to high-level Fox play?

Basically, the mental "wall" or obstacle I'm facing is that my technical ability can't match up to my mental thought-process. I would classify myself as a "mind-games" type player, more of a thinker/analyzer than a technical oriented Fox player that overwhelms the opponent. However, vs. Spacies with Fox, I find I get ***** hardbody if I take a mind-gamey approach against the fast over-whelming players

So how should I adapt my mental game to beat these types of players? Is there a technical aspect to Fox I should start exploring more heavily? How do I reach the next level with Fox? I consider myself average, now how do I become good?

If the first thing that comes to mind when you try to play a different style is "I'm gonna get overwhelmed like this" then you're in for poor play.

A lot of people agree that playing one person with equal skill for hours on end is the best way, because you are both trying to just stay 1 step above him by reading the person. It's really hard for the skill gap to change much over a few days or weeks even if both are motivated and playing well.

 

[ArcNatural]

If the first thing that comes to mind when you try to play a different style is "I'm gonna get overwhelmed like this" then you're in for poor play.

A lot of people agree that playing one person with equal skill for hours on end is the best way, because you are both trying to just stay 1 step above him by reading the person. It's really hard for the skill gap to change much over a few days or weeks even if both are motivated and playing well.

I disagree. After a certain point of technical skill and knowledge in the game, playing someone better than you is always better. Unless of course your already at the top level. Where all you really would have is equal play.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

agreed with Arc

I learn more from playing people alot better than me now then i do from people about my level. They can spot out my mistakes/habits easier and exploit them, no matter how subtle, which allows me to fix such nuances that wouldn't be exploited or seen by a player at my level.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Ever play racing games?

You can play and play vs the AI but they suck and you'll never lose.

Then you play your buddy and you guys have fun and go about even.

Someone over hears you talking about the game and asks to play you sometime. When you do he wins each game by being more precise, taking turns more efficiently, conserving momentum, ect.

Which one do you have the most to learn from?

 

[Charlesz]

tech skill first then to apply them. Experience is the most necessary aspect of becoming a higher level smasher, for example I get my *** kicked my people who arent as techical as I am. They are better at predicting my techs, rolls and have better mindgames.

 

[Mr.Fakeman]

tech skill first then to apply them. Experience is the most necessary aspect of becoming a higher level smasher, for example I get my *** kicked my people who arent as techical as I am. They are better at predicting my techs, rolls and have better mindgames.

This frequently happens to me!

 

[nyc_tag$]

Don't tell yourself that your technical skill cannot match up to your mental game. The limits of the mental aspect of competitive play are limitless. However, technical skill does have a limit. For fox, that limit is being frame perfect with every aspect of technical skill. This task is pretty much impossible to achieve, but you may notice that all top fox players rarely mess up on their tech skill. Strive for a level of tech skill where it is as perfect as possible, but don't try to overextend yourself and try new things in tournament.