Moveset Speculation and Discussion Thread

[exnecross]

Bair seems like a great spacing tool. That run speed though.. really disappointing. Looks to be 1.5, 1.6 maybe? I can't deal with slow runners man.

 

[Mr_Kreep3r]

Co mained

 

[Zult]

https://youtu.be/o3PNwEKzYnw?t=86 WTF was that sound and thing on Corrin at 1:26

 

[Latias]

Bair seems like a great spacing tool. That run speed though.. really disappointing. Looks to be 1.5, 1.6 maybe? I can't deal with slow runners man.

It looks a lot slower than that. Ryu is at 1.6, he looks more like 1.3-1.4

 

[False Sense]

Bair seems like a great spacing tool. That run speed though.. really disappointing. Looks to be 1.5, 1.6 maybe? I can't deal with slow runners man.

I thought we knew Corrin would be a slow runner for awhile now?

Though slow ground speed is far from being the end of the world. Air speed looks solid, at least.

 

[Nu~]

https://youtu.be/o3PNwEKzYnw?t=86 WTF was that sound and thing on Corrin at 1:26

Bullet arts. Bayonetta can shoot during any attack

 

[D3xter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhj...w2sf-Z1y2Cg1WZXW3brclOYJAN5YH7c2uQmVjXSL2ib-g

1:35 B REVERSE DFS

UAIR KILLED MARTH AT 110!

~:42 his side b off stage killed Marth while he was at 85%, wow

 

[TTTTTsd]

He looks pretty ok/10.

Movement speed is kinda meh, toolset seems great, will probably play him and make more judgements but I'll probably end up sticking with Cloud assuming he's as good as he is now post-patch (or comparable).

Will def. lab this char though, looks interesting I guess.

He looks FLOATY AF though, like way floatier than Marth, and his airspeed doesn't look incredible (but not terrible either)

 

[exnecross]

I thought we knew Corrin would be a slow runner for awhile now?

Though slow ground speed is far from being the end of the world. Air speed looks solid, at least.

I was under the impression that he was a nimble agile character. Air speed does look good, but such a slow run speed is going to force him into a role that doesn't suit my play style. Oh well.

 

[NobleClamtasm]

https://youtu.be/o3PNwEKzYnw?t=86 WTF was that sound and thing on Corrin at 1:26

He got hit by Bayo's aerial fox laser

 

[LancerStaff]

Ehhh. Just going to say I'm not impressed by either character.

Edit: Right, right. Wednesday afternoon seems like a weird time but I think I can try some stuff then.

 

[Nu~]

He looks pretty ok/10.

Movement speed is kinda meh, toolset seems great, will probably play him and make more judgements but I'll probably end up sticking with Cloud assuming he's as good as he is now post-patch (or comparable).

Will def. lab this char though, looks interesting I guess.

He looks FLOATY AF though, like way floatier than Marth, and his airspeed doesn't look incredible (but not terrible either)

Floaty?
Did...did you even see his/her fast fall?

 

[Zult]

https://youtu.be/oPLNKCfoPUw?t=172

Bair has low end lag.
DFS spammable.
Down tilt sends Bayonetta nowhere at 35%

 

[TTTTTsd]

Floaty?
Did...did you even see his/her fast fall?

Dunno, everyone fastfalls fast in this game dude.

Watching him move without it was kinda like watching Marth tbh.

Every Puff and Luigi have quick fastfalls. It's a Smash 4 thing.

 

[exnecross]

Floaty?
Did...did you even see his/her fast fall?

Robin has great aerial mobility too. I have to agree with people saying he looks slow. He seems like a spacey which is good for some people I suppose.

 

[ZephyrYoshi]

https://youtu.be/oPLNKCfoPUw?t=172

Bair has low end lag.
DFS spammable.
Down tilt sends Bayonetta nowhere at 35%

you don't want to spam DFS anyways, since fully charged it does 9%
I still haven't seen the bite hit. Everyone seems to like to space far away from Corrin in the gameplay videos I've seen.

Robin has great aerial mobility too. I have to agree with people saying he looks slow. He seems like a spacey which is good for some people I suppose.

He's slow, but all of his moves have incredible range so it feels really mitigated
also... his animation, it's smooth, like butter

 

[Zult]

His speed seemed fine to me. Kinda like Mario's

 

[Nu~]

Robin has great aerial mobility too. I have to agree with people saying he looks slow. He seems like a spacey which is good for some people I suppose.

Oh, I saw the slow run speed and I'm fine with it if he has range and follow ups like that

I just don't see the floatiness.
At all.

But that's just me

 

[Zult]

you don't want to spam DFS anyways, since fully charged it does 9%
I still haven't seen the bite hit. Everyone seems to like to space far away from Corrin in the gameplay videos I've seen.

Hopefully the uncharged one jab locks then

 

[Mr_Kreep3r]

Fair to Uair true comboes bayo in 1v1 vid at 1:38 ish

 

[LordShade67]

The run speed's disappointing, but....Villager's the 4th slowest runner in the game, yet look where he is.

 

[exnecross]

Oh, I saw the slow run speed and I'm fine with it if he has range and follow ups like that

I just don't see the floatiness.
At all.

But that's just me

He's not floaty, but he's going to be very defensive, which is the opposite of what I was hoping for. He has good range for keeping people away, but unlike Cloud he's gonna have trouble getting in. Bair auto-spaces and looks very safe, so if I had to guess he will just try to keep people out and play defensive.

 

[shrooby]

Bair and pivot fsmash on shield...
Seems
So
Safe
And upair... It's like almost a full circle like Robin's.
And it ACs

Hopefully upthrow can lead into things.
And hopefully dthrow KBG isn't really low since it looks like it might be a kill throw...?

Can't wait for the lab~

 

[TTTTTsd]

Oh I don't think Corrin's run speed is damning or anything. Character still looks fine but they're just gonna be significantly more honest than the Swordsman that I play =V

Will try them out for sure but I get the feeling fast characters will (as per usual) be annoying.

Also every FE Uair except for Roy's has an autocancel window I believe. Roy's shorthop is just too low for it. SPEAKING OF WHICH, has anyone noticed that EVERY FE char has that same kind of Uair except for Ike? It's like, an FE trend. Same with Fair, lol.

 

[Nu~]

He's not floaty, but he's going to be very defensive, which is the opposite of what I was hoping for. He has good range for keeping people away, but unlike Cloud he's gonna have trouble getting in. Bair auto-spaces and looks very safe, so if I had to guess he will just try to keep people out and play defensive.

Bair crossups and aerial side B look good for getting in.
His safe attacks make it look like he can play both offensively and defensively. Like Ike.

He just won't be rushdown which is A ok with me

 

[NINTENDO Galaxy]

A guy on twitch recorded the tournament if ya;ll want to watch it. But the only stream match is here in the chat

Wasn't sure if this deserved it's own post, but here's a good quality vid of the match: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPLNKCfoPUw

 

[Zult]

Things we still don't now that is important:

• Throws. We still have yet to see if fthrow or bthrow combos or if uthrow kills.
• Does Dragon lunge beat shield?

 

[NINTENDO Galaxy]

Corrin looks fine to me. It would take me a while to try and disect all that.

 

[False Sense]

So, did anyone else notice just how fast Corrin can pull out Dragon Lunge?

 

[NINTENDO Galaxy]

At those vids are 60 fps so we can get better results but it'd be better to wait til Wednesday.

 

[Nu~]

So, did anyone else notice just how fast Corrin can pull out Dragon Lunge?

Duuuuude..,

Imagine how scary Corrin will be at diagonal mid range.

 

[NINTENDO Galaxy]

So, did anyone else notice just how fast Corrin can pull out Dragon Lunge?

I saw how fast it came out. Pretty great. Maybe if someone is fast enough they can punish or guard it?

 

[NINTENDO Galaxy]

Too bad when the F smash is angled down it looked like it lost a lot of range.

When Kamui comes out the first thing I'm gonna lab is a jab lock into F smash.

 

[Zult]

Lol, Bayo runs as slow, if not slower, than Corrin. Both run slightly below average, but I remember saying I'm fine with any run speed that's not Robin or Ganondorf. Down throw is confirmed to suck at low percents. Please other 3 throws do something ;-;

Both of them run here within 5seconds

https://youtu.be/o3PNwEKzYnw?t=30

 

[alguidrag]

The lower range can help get tipped if oponent is close, and you can keep the long range to kill away oponents/punish rolls

 

[Nu~]

Dash attack does 12%.

Very good

 

[Deleted member]

Spoiler: Moveset Damages, assumed to be final.

In the order in which they appear in the footage I'm referencing:

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(FE Colosseum Match)

(90%?) Charged DFS - 9%

Getup Attack (Missed Tech) - 7%

Dair - at least 11%

DL Forward Kick - 12%

Fully Charged DFS - 10%

Aerial DL - 14-15% (may have tipper damage properties)

Fair - 9%

Dash Attack - 12-13% (7 hits?)

Ftilt - 11%

Nair (Front) - 8% (6% Late?)

Uair - 11%

DL Pin - 7%


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(Niconico Demonstration Match)

Bair - 11%

D-throw - 11% total (8% -> 3%)

Uncharged Tipper F-Smash: 18%; Uncharged Non-Tipper (Base): 12-13%;

Gentleman Jab - 11% total (3% -> 2% -> 6%)

Jab Infinite - 10% (Reasonbly without falling out/beginning of jab infinite pushback)

Dtilt - 8%

B-Throw - 8% (6% -> 2%) (Definitely doesn't combo)


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(Umbra Clock Tower FFA):

Uncharged F-Smash: Non-Tipper, but close: 16%

Nair and Fair seem to have low landing lag overall.

Aerial DL has an amazing trajectory, practically a semi-spike.

A number of times I saw Pivot -> Ftilt which seems like a decent option, Corrin slides decently on pivot as well.

It doesn't seem like Corrin can follow that well out of fully charged DFS from about mid-range aside from possibly tipper Fsmash, in the video below Corrin attempts a Dash Attack after a full DFS but only clips Bayonetta at ~0:27:

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In watching the Corrin Fsmash kill on Bayonetta in the NicoNico footage it seems it can be DIed up very hard.


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Probably Important:

1:44~ in the following (Umbra Clock FF), watch Corrin closely, he seems to flash white when initiating U-B i.e. have invincibility frames on the move:

 

[exnecross]

Lol, Bayo runs as slow, if not slower, than Corrin. Both run slightly below average, but I remember saying I'm fine with any run speed that's not Robin or Ganondorf. Down throw is confirmed to suck at low percents. Please other 3 throws do something ;-;

Both of them run here within 5seconds

https://youtu.be/o3PNwEKzYnw?t=30

Back throw also cannot be followed up. I am assuming Corrin does not have a combo throw whatsoever.

 

[Zult]

Back throw also cannot be followed up. I am assuming Corrin does not have a combo throw whatsoever.

How do you know?

 

[Deleted member]

How do you know?

Observe at ~3:04:

Kamui's run speed coupled with some end lag coupled with knockback means that Bayo is way out of follow-up range/hitstun after B-Throw at as low as at least 39%