Monster Mafia - Game Over

[#HBC | marshy]

1. Marshy, for his quick-lynch pushing yesterday on people who I thought were not mafia at all, such as BunBun and Omni.

bunbun was for the sake of a lynch and omni claimed scum. what's scummy about trying to push potential vig? you think rockin has a solid claim but suspect me for not trying to lynch rockin?

man. i don't know which of rockin/cacti to go for. THIS is why we need vig action

 

[#HBC | marshy]

actually unvote rockin vote cacti wagon go

 

[Mediocre]

As of post 522

6/11 votes to lynch

The Current Votecount:

Rockin: 2 (KevinM, Gheb_01)
Cacti: 1 (Marshy)
Not Voting: 8 (Matunas, Rockin, Evil Eye, Macman, Cacti, BunBun, mentosman8, Omni)



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mentosman8: 2
BunBun: 2
Cacti: 2
Ignatius: 1
Marshy: 1
Rockin: 1
Evil Eye: 1

 

[KevinM]

@Kevin, Marshy, Omni and Yedi

(1.) Do you agree with me that the BBwagon yesterDay was scum-infected? If yes, who's the scummiest and why?
(2.) Is the NL trio scummy? Who's the scummiest and why?
(3.) Who's the play? Is it really Cacti/Rockin toDay or do you see somebody else as a viable lynch?

1. I think its an extremely HIGH probability that scum is on that wagon it's an extremely easy wagon to ride.
2. I don't think that the whole idea is scummy but a BIG wtf from Omni saying not to hammer to EE. What is up with that man you're not game mom.
3. Really really odd you would try and narrow it down so fast. I don't think it has to be them or nothing.

Vote Cacti

Hey wagons are cool

 

[#HBC | marshy]

6/11 votes to lynch

The Current Votecount:

Rockin: 2 (KevinM, Gheb_01)
Cacti: 1 (Marshy)
Not Voting: 8 (Matunas, Rockin, Evil Eye, Macman, Cacti, BunBun, mentosman8, Omni)

get off your butts especially cacti/ee/omni no-lynch circle jerk way to continue the do-nothing playstyle

 

[Omni]

@Kevin, Marshy, Omni and Yedi

(1.) Do you agree with me that the BBwagon yesterDay was scum-infected? If yes, who's the scummiest and why?
(2.) Is the NL trio scummy? Who's the scummiest and why?
(3.) Who's the play? Is it really Cacti/Rockin toDay or do you see somebody else as a viable lynch?

1.) Nope. I technically started the Bunbun suspicion by pointing out small holes in his argument, but I believe it was Matanus that actually cast the first vote. Regardless, Bunbun was my object of play as the day went on and as his answers to my questions failed to make me believe he was town-aligned.

2.) Nope. The claims started to worry me a lot. Bunbun as an investigative role is crucial for us to keep so I decided it would be best to let him live considering we had Rockin. However, Rockin's PGO claim (in addition to the character he claimed) seemed believable. It still is, in my opinion, but I do agree now that it would have been best to kill him off anyway to avoid this situation.

3.) I'm still looking at Mentoscum with a side of Rockin due their very lurkive actions late Day 1. The gambit I had in effect was only being argued with Marshy, Mac, and I think Gheb. Rockin poked his head in immediately to show that the Day had not ended, and Mentos sweeped in to swing the votes over to my direction.

Now that I think about... who were we about to lynch at that moment? Was it a tie between Bunbun and Rockin? I'd argue that it could be scum trying to take attention of their partner, but town would jump on my lynch just as fast (i.e. Masrhy).

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I don't trust Marshy. I don't like his sudden change of character. He goes from extreme lurking without saying much Day 1 and placing bandwagon votes without explaining why. Then he craps his pants at the end of Day 1 begging for people to lynch. And now all of a sudden he's pointing fingers at the "No Lynch" crew.

Mentos can die. Vote: Mentos I've disliked his play the entire game.

That's all I have at the moment.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

omni lay out anything you're uncomfortable with when it comes to my play so this can be out of the way. the no lynch crew badly deserves death

 

[Omni]

oh and...

@kevin: i mean, you heard my argument. the end of Day 1 was very not cool. i felt that we gained a lot of information Day 1 to avoid having to force a lynch in order to receive information. we have supposedly 4 or 5 people (now Jungle being dead) who claimed. two of us are confirmed (myself and jungle).

idk man, the fact that so many people were silent during the end of Day 1 made me think scum was just waiting for town to pounce on a town lynch. that silence from like half of the cast really made me think it would be a bad idea to lynch anyone at that point

i mean, if u find that my reasoning is scummy let me know but that's how i felt honestly

 

[Omni]

@marshy: do i badly deserve death? why or why not

 

[mentosman8]

Omni, you're going to vote me for not liking that I came in after the situation with you trying to get people to wagon to -1? That's like literally the worst reason ever. However, if you want the reason for it here you go: I have said repeatedly in several of my games that life has been busy. Now, the reason that makes me lurk more often, is I am not home a lot, and forced to use my phone to browse/post in the threads, which is painfully slow. The night of that issue, I was out with a couple of friends looking to find a surround sound system for his basement, and the only times I could even read was when we were in the car. I know it's just RL johns, but fact of the matter is I can only do so much when I'm not home, which is extremely often any more.

Now do you have any reasons other than me not posting the entire time something's going on every time something's going on, or is that it?

 

[Omni]

you don't say anything unless someone calls you out, mentos or if you're actively lurking and selectively posting like just claimed.

instead of wasting the time asking if my reason for finding your suspicious is legit, you could have been clearing that notion by actually playing a better town game by attempting to scumhunt. you're playing a very weak town game and you're admitting to actively lurking. of course i find your scummy.

 

[mentosman8]

Haha well, I don't feel the need to prove myself town right now. I've been keeping tabs on people, have been posting my thoughts on people more often, etc. If this isn't enough, I'll just prove myself town when I get 3 votes today. You're wasting your time, and I'll be amply prepared to prove it when the time comes. Right now I sugges you back down, your case is based on a null-tell for me, and pushing it will only hurt town.

 

[Mediocre]

As of post 522

6/11 votes to lynch

The Current Votecount:

Rockin: 2 (KevinM, Gheb_01)
Cacti: 1 (Marshy)
mentosman8: 1 (Omni)
Not Voting: 7 (Matunas, Rockin, Evil Eye, Macman, Cacti, BunBun, mentosman8)



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mentosman8: 2
BunBun: 2
Cacti: 2
Ignatius: 1
Marshy: 1
Rockin: 1
Evil Eye: 1

 

[KevinM]

Haha well, I don't feel the need to prove myself town right now. I've been keeping tabs on people, have been posting my thoughts on people more often, etc. If this isn't enough, I'll just prove myself town when I get 3 votes today. You're wasting your time, and I'll be amply prepared to prove it when the time comes. Right now I sugges you back down, your case is based on a null-tell for me, and pushing it will only hurt town.

This line is terrible.

Unvote
Vote Cacti

Forgot to unvote

 

[BunBun]

I just had a death in the family and don't have real Internet at home. Please put me as inactive until at least Friday.

That said, my investigation did not turn up any immediately useful results. Sorry.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

sigh, voteacti

Pretty confident with the few town reads I have. I think the bB wagon was scuminfected. Cacti and Rockin seem like very good candidates for today. I wish rockin was lynched d1... was he the one that claimed PGO? Can see mentos being scum. EE is... dunno. His no lynch push was weird to me, but dunno if that scummy. Tuna should get replaced/modkilled if he doesn't post more. Oh wait nvm, Tom replaced him right? EE needs to post more.

down for rockin/cacti quicklynch.

omni, I hope you are regretting your push of a NL. What new info do we have now? That Jungle was town? Oh gee, how informative.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

1.) Nope. I technically started the Bunbun suspicion by pointing out small holes in his argument, but I believe it was Matanus that actually cast the first vote. Regardless, Bunbun was my object of play as the day went on and as his answers to my questions failed to make me believe he was town-aligned.

Wtf? First of all you didn't answer my question (was the BB wagon scum-infected or not?) and even if this is the answer to it then you basically say that the BB wagon was scum-free?

2.) Nope. The claims started to worry me a lot. Bunbun as an investigative role is crucial for us to keep so I decided it would be best to let him live considering we had Rockin. However, Rockin's PGO claim (in addition to the character he claimed) seemed believable. It still is, in my opinion, but I do agree now that it would have been best to kill him off anyway to avoid this situation.

Didn't answer my question either. Who of the NL trio is the scummiest and why?

I don't trust Marshy. I don't like his sudden change of character. He goes from extreme lurking without saying much Day 1 and placing bandwagon votes without explaining why. Then he craps his pants at the end of Day 1 begging for people to lynch. And now all of a sudden he's pointing fingers at the "No Lynch" crew.

Don't like your reasoning but I find Marshy hard to trust too. Him hoping off Rockin after his WIFOM claim looks like a pivotal move in the whole endDay situation and it didn't turn out well at all. BBs claim is a lot better and more credible than Rockin. BB is trying to play/win this game as town, Rockin isn't.

i felt that we gained a lot of information Day 1 to avoid having to force a lynch in order to receive information. we have supposedly 4 or 5 people (now Jungle being dead) who claimed. two of us are confirmed (myself and jungle).

Your power is confirmed, your allignment isn't. Stop acting as if you're 100% clear. FoS Omni
What information did we get other than that? Jungle would've been confirmed regardless of the NL and other than you trying to make us believe you're clear we know next to nothing about how scum-infected the major wagons (Cacti, BB and Rockin) were. Not liking how you try to make our situation look better than it is.

idk man, the fact that so many people were silent during the end of Day 1 made me think scum was just waiting for town to pounce on a town lynch. that silence from like half of the cast really made me think it would be a bad idea to lynch anyone at that point

Agreed with the first sentence, second sentence is dumb for reasons explained above.

Haha well, I don't feel the need to prove myself town right now. I've been keeping tabs on people, have been posting my thoughts on people more often, etc. If this isn't enough, I'll just prove myself town when I get 3 votes today. You're wasting your time, and I'll be amply prepared to prove it when the time comes. Right now I sugges you back down, your case is based on a null-tell for me, and pushing it will only hurt town.

Care to share those tabs you kept on people? What do you think about Matomunas and EE, who's scum, why didn't you hop on the Rockin wagon etc. You say you keep tabs on people...what good will it do if you don't share it or don't convonce us. I remember you voting Macman at some point but never pursuing the whole thing.

sigh, voteacti

Pretty confident with the few town reads I have. I think the bB wagon was scuminfected. Cacti and Rockin seem like very good candidates for today. I wish rockin was lynched d1... was he the one that claimed PGO? Can see mentos being scum. EE is... dunno. His no lynch push was weird to me, but dunno if that scummy. Tuna should get replaced/modkilled if he doesn't post more. Oh wait nvm, Tom replaced him right? EE needs to post more.

down for rockin/cacti quicklynch.

omni, I hope you are regretting your push of a NL. What new info do we have now? That Jungle was town? Oh gee, how informative.

This post lines up with my thoughts.

Unvote Vote Cacti
Still want Rockin dead.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

@marshy: do i badly deserve death? why or why not

you badly deserve to die for letting a no-lynch happen. you get to live today because i'm not a 4-shot vig and this isn't lights out

 

[#HBC | marshy]

are you serious gheb? hopping off the rockin wagon turned out bad because dumni was there to ruin day 1 with his no-lynch push. i couldn't anticipate that

 

[Omni]

@gheb: i did answer your questions, gheb. you just don't like the answers. stop saying i haven't answered and get off my nuts. i'm not trying to make myself look clear; just said that my role is confirmed.

@mac: well i was hoping we'd also get some kind of info from Bunbun and his investigations but with a result like that i wish we lynched him at this point. im not sure how you information that is "not really useful" but i've never seen his role in action

i advocated a No Lynch but i didn't force anyone to join. you guys heard my argument for why i wanted a NL despite the results we received tonight. **** happens and the doc died but if the night turned out differently no one would be complaining. that's the decision i chose and i still stick by it .

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Request replacement for Evil_Eye

are you serious gheb? hopping off the rockin wagon turned out bad because dumni was there to ruin day 1 with his no-lynch push. i couldn't anticipate that

Fair enough. Still leaves me wondering why cou chose BB over Rockin.

@gheb: i did answer your questions, gheb. you just don't like the answers.

Actually, I just wasn't sure whether you answered my question at all. Now, this makes things only more interesting since you answered my question (whether the BB wagon was scum-infected) with "nope" yet at the same time you vote mentosman, who was on the BB wagon? I'm asking this because it seems to me like you didn't understand the quesion I was asking. Do you think scum was on the BB wagon or not? Your answer was "nope" but your vote implies something different.

Do you think the Rockin wagon was scum-infected?

 

[mentosman8]

@Kevin: That line you said was terrible was actually quite a solid line. You may not be able to see it right now but it's definitely not stupid.

Gheb raises a good point Omni, how is it that the BunBun wagon wasn't scum-infected, but I am scum? In fact, I posted probably the most comprehensive thoughts on him. How do you respond to this?

@Gheb: I'll be honest, the tabs I had on people were mostly shot to hell with all the claims D1, and Jungle's death N1. In terms of Matunas and EE, I don't feel any strong scum-vibes from either, but they also both haven't been all that active most of the game so it's been hard to get a good read on them.

Omni's ploy yesterday was pointless, but I think he was honestly trying to help town. Unfortunately, by doing so he destroyed our ability to lynch for the day, and that took away any chance to get solid reads on anyone. The death was obvious by that point, and I don't feel much was given to us from it.

I'm going to try to come up with my lynch choices here soon, but honestly when the people I thought I had the best suspicions on came by with solid claims, so as I said a lot of what I had before has been knocked down several notches.

 

[Omni]

i'm obviously only picking up scumvibes from you mentos. do i know if you're scum for sure? of course not. but i'm applying that necessary pressure for you to start speaking and explaining so i can solidify the scent i've picked up on you. i simply dont have enough information on you to make a logical deduction

@gheb: that should also explain why i said the scum wagon wasn't scum infected. just because i have my vote on a person doesn't mean i think they're scum. it is also a pressure tactic to get people to talk more so that you can determine if they're scummy or not.

 

[Mediocre]

As of post 543

Evil Eye and Rockin have been prodded.

Additionally, I had forgotten to include Tom in previous counts.

6/11 votes to lynch

The Current Votecount:

Cacti: 4 (Marshy, KevinM, Macman, Gheb_01)
mentosman8: 1 (Omni)
Not Voting: 7 (Matunas, Rockin, Evil Eye, Cacti, BunBun, mentosman8, Tom)



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mentosman8: 2
BunBun: 2
Cacti: 2
Rockin: 2
Evil Eye: 2
Ignatius: 1
Marshy: 1

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I think rockin is a great lynch candidate for today as well.
edit: oh ive already said this. The fact that this came to me twice just means that he's doubly suspicious

 

[Rockin]

you're right that scum will never kill rockin but i'm starting to think rockin being worthless is a towntell for him. test subject? ff7? simpsons? i remember him wagoning like everyone as scum so i'll have to look back at his voting. im aware of how horrible this sounds

Ow...my feelings. I'm still here you jerk. I ain't THAT useless...just havn't been able to get on the ball like you guys =/

@Rockin

(1.) Who's scum? Name your top 3 suspicions. No more ***** dodges like "I only see BB as scum" like you did yesterDay. Be specfic and explain in DETAIL. You have a lot of work to do toDay.
(2.) Is Cacti dumb or scum?
(3.) Are you dumb or scum?
(4.) Was the NL scummy? Who of the NL trio is the scummiest and why?
(5.) Why should we NOT lynch you toDay?

1) Hey, It isn't my fault I only saw one real suspect D1 >_>

- BB: I'm still sticking by the case I said last time. Also, I'm unsure to fully take in his thief claim.

- Cacti: The near beginning of D1, he makes a case against me...a small trivital case in terms of flavor and me derailing discussion. Then he jumps back on my wagon lynch at the near end of D1 and instead of pressuring onto the vote, he goes right off and goes on a no lynch. I just feel he's going after me for poor reasons alone and isn't commited to who his suspects are.

- Macman - This deserves half a Fos and a spot on the suspect list. Near end of D1, he flails on wanting to lynch anyone, not caring who it is. It could be the most obvious townie, and he's mainly concern for a lynch. If he were to press on the BB, Omni, Cacti, or my wagon, then it wouldn't be much of an issue. A random lynch of anykind is worse then a no lynch, cause you both won't get the information you may need AND you lose a possible townie. Not cool.

2. He seems a bit of scum AND dumb, but I may be leaning on dumb more. I just don't like the thought pattern that's going with him atm.

3. I'm more likely dumb then scum, really XD

4) I don't think the NL was scummy (or at least, that scummy). More then one person was claiming at the time and there was little time to take all of this in. A NL seemed like a smart choice, but we would've gotten more info if there was a lynch. As for who's suspicious, I find Cacti pretty suspicous, and a little bit of Omni as well (cause well, he didn't let EE make his decision in the vote)

5) All I can say and tell you that I would do my best to scumhunt. Whether my skills of doing said thing is either good or bad, I'm still doing my best.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

we should lynch rockin cuz he think's i'm scum when all the real townies know that I am obviously town.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@Gheb: I'll be honest, the tabs I had on people were mostly shot to hell with all the claims D1, and Jungle's death N1. In terms of Matunas and EE, I don't feel any strong scum-vibes from either, but they also both haven't been all that active most of the game so it's been hard to get a good read on them.

Doesn't that already trouble you? Coasting to endgame without leaving traces is exactly what EE did in MegaMafia, Marshy did in Potter Mafia, Frozen did in Simpsons/FFVII ... I could go on and on about this but I think my point is pretty clear: You being unable to get a good read on them might be exactly what they want. I don't see how people tolerate this or just ignore it. If they're scum we're in trouble!

@gheb: that should also explain why i said the scum wagon wasn't scum infected. just because i have my vote on a person doesn't mean i think they're scum. it is also a pressure tactic to get people to talk more so that you can determine if they're scummy or not.

Then who are you suspicious of? I take it that your vote on Marshy didn't just come out of nowhere so I assume he's on your scumlist. Who else and why?

 

[mentosman8]

That's true Gheb, but I was scum with EE in MegaMaf, and with FF in FF7. While this doesn't mean too much, it also means I have some insights into their scum-minds. The posts I've seen from both of them don't remind me too much of the scum mindsets I've seen before. That's not to say they're cleared of suspicion, but the fact that I don't feel scum-vibes from them comes from experience with their scum mindsets so far, not just that I haven't picked up any tells in their few posts.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Unvote Vote Evil Eye

 

[KevinM]

requesting modkill of EE

Seriously, holding up the game especially as suspicion is falling on him. Plus as we all know in SWF mafia we just end up lynching the replacement anyways, or at least that happens in EVERY game I've played yet.

Given his flip we can start to get a better feel of the game.

 

[Omni]

I'm cool with that.

 

[Mediocre]

As of post 552

Vyse replaces Evil Eye
Riddle replaces Tom


6/11 votes to lynch

The Current Votecount:

Cacti: 3 (Marshy, KevinM, Macman)
mentosman8: 1 (Omni)
Vyse: 1 (Gheb_01)
Not Voting: 7 (Matunas, Rockin, Vyse, Cacti, BunBun, mentosman8, Riddle)



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[Vyse]

Hey guys. Wasn't expecting to wind up replacing into this game, but I'll try to catch up and see what's what. Give me a while to read the thread and see what's up.

A summary of the important parts wouldn't go astray either.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

lol the mod shouldn't just straight up modkill someone. That would basically give us a free vig kill. i mean i'm not against it, i'm just sayin

riddle, i hope you are active. you have been falling off in other games

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Unvote

Didn't vote EE merely because of inactivity btw. There's a bunch of things that give me a feeling he's scum. Gonna give the subs some time to catch up though.

 

[Vyse]

Okay I've re-read the whole thread up til now (Well, as well as one could be expected to read a thread over about 3 hours or so) and it's a lot to take in =_=

Tomorrow I'll do a better read but for now I'll just say a few things.

Everybody who was on the 'no lynch' wagon is immediately suspect to me (except me >.>, but there's nothing I can do about that) and should be on everybody else's radars too, though I'll admit after re-reading Omni's earlier plan to get bunbun to admit something, it was a novel idea that had bad timing (shoulda waited til bunbun was online) and is probably more effort than I'd expect from scum.

Marshy's immediate retaliation to Omni's failed plan is scummy to me, followed by hopping to the bunbun wagon really quick when the arguments against Omni dissolved. There's more to be read into his play, but I'll do that tomorrow after work.

More tommorrow I guess. I'll be doing reads on the current lynch wagons and we'll see what I can come up with.

 

[KevinM]

Rockin dead yet?

 

[Riddle]

Hey guys I got my role PM. Will re-read when I have the chance.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Rockin dead yet?

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