Monster Mafia - Game Over

[~ Gheb ~]

Mentos, that's a different reason than before. You said I called the claims shaky because of the people who claimed. That's not the case. The claims themselves ARE suspicious imo but not because of the player but because of the nature of the claims.

I'm actually for the nameclaim. I don't think Mafia will gain a lot from it but town will (at least I know I will)

 

[mentosman8]

That was based on the first part of the post, where you followed talking that PR's are terribly distributed with "gimme a break" and then flowed into the claims being shaky. Put all together, it makes sense what I said.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

mentos. what are your thoughts on matunas and rockin and bunbn

 

[Mediocre]

A Deadline Has Been Set:
11:59 PM EST December 5

As of post 603

I forgot that BunBun warned that he would be inactive until at least Friday. His prod has been rescinded.


6/11 votes to lynch

The Current Votecount:

Cacti: 4 (KevinM, Marshy, Gheb_01, Macman)
mentosman8: 1 (Omni)
Not Voting: 6 (Rockin, Vyse, Cacti, BunBun, mentosman8, Riddle)



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Nov 27
Omni
Gheb_01
Marshy
Macman
Cacti
Rockin
mentosman8

Nov 26
Vyse
KevinM
Riddle

Nov 25

Nov 24

INACTIVE
BunBun



Inactivity Count
Cacti: 3
BunBun: 2
mentosman8: 2
Rockin: 2
Marshy: 1

 

[Omni]

my claim is the most credible because i'm the only one who can prove it that it exist. i assume not being able to hammer is just a way to setup for the gambit that i attempted but that was horribly planned.

anyway, doc is dead, claimed pgo, claimed thief, and me. 2 inactives. really hate that bunbun hasnt left us with ANY information. idk how that is possible. he should have been able to find something

 

[KevinM]

Whoa why am I still on Cacti.

Unvote
Vote Rockin

Rockin is scum.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

unvote cacti vote rockin

more from riddle/vyse

 

[mentosman8]

Macman, BunBun I'm not sure on, at first I found the claim reasonable, but the lack of anything gained N1 is kind of troublesome and making me wonder if it was a fake. Rockin I don't distrust the claim from really, so I'm trusting him at the moment. I didn't get much of a read on Tuna because of his very low amount of posts, and Riddle hasn't helped in that department, so right now he's a big ?

 

[Vyse]

Usually when I play, I write up huge bigass posts before voting someone fully justifying why I believe they're scum, but I just got back from a tournament and feel like crap so I'm gonna make it short. Basically I'd be down for voting Rockin based on inactivity and uselessness alone.

I took a look at Rockin's post history.

Between #360 and #410 he claims PGO, coasts like hardcore and then votes Omni after his failed plan.

Between #410 and #425 he answered a general question about voting, then voted Bunbun without any explanation of his own.

Then he coasts like mad, not making a single post between #425 and #546

In #546 he answers a few questions, sticking by a case he made against Bunbun somewhere (aparently) and says we should not lynch him because he promises to scum hunt.

#584 - Just a reaction to Cacti being the cop. Though he does question Cacti's choice of investigating Macman.

#595 is just defending again. Boooooring.

Vote: Rockin

Rockin, the only way you're going to prove you're not scum is if you actually scum hunt and not say that you will scum hunt. You've made points here or there, but it's as though you're not actually willing to follow through with any of your accusations or build up arguments which dissect what's been said.

You doubt Cacti's choice when he claimed to have investigated Macman, but you need to actually bring an argument to the table as to why it's bad with examples.

More to that point, Cacti. CACTI, WHAT KIND OF NIGHT INVESTIGATION WAS THAT?
Clearly there were better choices than that to make, even in my brief re-read of the thread. You coulda investgated Bunbun at least. With Bunbun being the other wagon besides the 'No Lynch' wagon. You coulda investigated me (Since people were already suspicious of EE), or Omni or Rockin, any of them. Terrible choice.

I understand the 'brain fizzle' excuse, I've made bonehead plays like that before playing EpicMafia, but this is different because you're not under much of a time limit that it should hamper your ability to make an informed decision.

Without a doctor we are screwed

 

[#HBC | Mac]

eh i didn't really like that post.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Agreed. You don't really bring anything new to the table. You vote Rockin for the same reasons we wanted to lynch him yesterDay already. No opinions on anything else?

 

[Vyse]

Well I figured the best place to start would be with the people who are under the most suspicion. I try to find my own reasoning for voting people when I play, which is why I dug through all those posts of Rockin's to make my case. That it's the same as all of yours is something I can't help when we've got a player that's not doing much of anything that's substantial.

I made that post without much drive to jump too deeply into dissecting posts etc because I've just gotten back home and was completely drained =_=, I usually try to keep IRL Johns out of my play, but I also wanted to post something after having been away for a couple of days. At the very least, I'm trying to make sure my opinions on the current town discussions are on record, since I haven't been here from the beginning.

As for other opinions, look at second half of my previous post. Cacti's suspicious in his claim, but there's nothing to dissect in his reasoning for his investigation, just 'My brain died' or something to that effect. In retrospect (after my post above chewing him out), the way he revealed his role was fairly natural, nor did he decide he needed to justify in length why he chose Macman, so based on the natural way he revealed his role, I believe him.

Next time I post in this thread, I'll bring you an analysis of Marshy. He was the other person I thought to be suspicious in my first post here that I promised to bring an analysis of (and I don't think town has much of any opinion of him).

 

[Vyse]

EBWOP: Because it's 1am right now >.>

 

[Rockin]

Of course I don't bring anything awesome and such to the table on D1. It's -D1-. How many times do I have to tell people I don't do too well in D1? I've made this case in a few games already. C'mooooooon... >:

As far as qith making an argument towards Cacti's choice, there isn't much to be said. It was, apparantly, a bad choice of investigation to start with, but since you would like one, I'll give it.

The thing is, Macman is one of the few people that wasn't much warrent for a investigation. Yeah, I had him in my list of suspects, but the only grief I had about him was that he wanted some sort of 'random lynch' to happen, knowing that any lynch that wasn't the top suspects have a low chance of gaining info. Still, we could've saw where he stood by just by seeing how he progressed D2 or something. I still don't like the fact that Cacti made a small trivial case against me and then decides to go for a no lynch. I wouldn't mind him answering his reasons to that.

As far as Kevin, all he's been doing is saying 'lynch lynch lynch' towards me, without little explanation on his end. If he gives me one, I wouldn't have seen this as such annoying deal. On D1, all he had on me was my 'flavor de-rail.' D2, I havn't heard much from his reason such as 'Is anyone voting on Rockin?,' so I'm assuming he's still carrying on that same reason.

I suggest we wait till Bunbun tells us in detail why he hasn't gotten anything. Also wondering where the hell is riddle at.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Riddle should be modkilled imo.

After looking up some data on Monster I doubt Cacti's claim is a lie but I still don't get why the hell he'd push for a NL
Unvote

@Cacti
Start bringing something new/useful to the table please, why do you even play this game if you don't even try to win by not playing? Doesn't make sense to me.

BunBun's flip will probably give us the most information about Scumni, Scumtosman and Riddlescum and we're in desperate need of info/evidence (not to mention his claim is only so-so) so I'd be down for a BB lynch although I still think he's town and one of those 3 people I mentioned is scum.

Semi-agreed with Rockin on Kev. I'll take a closer look at his posts soonish because people seem to forget about him this time around. Don't like that and there's other stuff that's been bothering me about him. Expect a bigger post later.

Vote Riddle

 

[Omni]

i like Vyse's new post, Mac. your gut will change your mind later so dont worry

my name's not scumni, gheb. it's awesomni.

don't really know who i'm up for lynching at the moment. we could concentrate on the "claimed" players or we could concentrate on those who haven't. based on the claims, none of the roles seem to clash with each other. also, there hasn't been any CC's and all of the claims fit very well with their character.

hm.

 

[mentosman8]

I really have no great lynch candidates at the moment, but for right now Vote: Riddle. He replaced Tuna, and has somehow been even LESS helpful than the person who he replaced.

 

[Mediocre]

Please stop asking for modkills.

Modkills are only supposed to be used when a player breaks the rules laid out in the first post. In other words, when a player is somehow harming the game. Modkills are not meant to kill off players who are coasting but still posting, or players that you find suspicious. That is what a lynch is for. That is why you have a vote.

I am getting annoyed at the frequent requests of modkills for players who are not deserving of a modkill. I do not know why it is happening, but I would appreciate it if it would stop.

If a player is consistently inactive, I will pick up on it. If no replacement is available, that player will be modkilled. I am keeping track of this. Unless you see evidence that I am forgetting that a player is inactive (hard to do with that list I keep posting), there is no need to ask me to modkill a player.

Thank you.


A votecount will be up shortly.

 

[Omni]

Vote: Mediocre

 

[Mediocre]

A Deadline Has Been Set:
11:59 PM EST December 5

As of post 619



6/11 votes to lynch

The Current Votecount:

Rockin: 3 (KevinM, Marshy, Vyse)
Riddle: 2 (mentosman8, Gheb_01)
Cacti: 1 (Macman)
mentosman8: 1 (Omni)
Not Voting: 4 (Rockin, Cacti, BunBun, Riddle)



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Nov 29
Vyse
Macman
Gheb_01
Rockin
Omni
mentosman8

Nov 28
KevinM
Marshy

Nov 27
Cacti

Nov 26
Riddle

INACTIVE
BunBun



Inactivity Count
Cacti: 3
BunBun: 2
mentosman8: 2
Rockin: 2
Marshy: 1

 

[KevinM]

@Rockin: Saying you don't do well on D1 isnt a free pass to coast and act scummy.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

My vote's on Riddle, not Rockin.

 

[Mediocre]

My vote's on Riddle, not Rockin.

Sorry.

It's been corrected.

 

[Cacti]

Unvote Vote: Riddle

 

[Mediocre]

A Deadline Has Been Set:
11:59 PM EST December 5

Riddle has been prodded.

As of post 624



6/11 votes to lynch

The Current Votecount:

Rockin: 3 (KevinM, Marshy, Vyse)
Riddle: 3 (mentosman8, Cacti, Gheb_01)
Cacti: 1 (Macman)
mentosman8: 1 (Omni)
Not Voting: 3 (Rockin, BunBun, Riddle)



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Nov 30
KevinM
Gheb_01
Cacti

Nov 29
Vyse
Macman
Rockin
Omni
mentosman8

Nov 28
Marshy

Nov 27

INACTIVE
BunBun
Riddle (1 Day)



Inactivity Count
Cacti: 3
BunBun: 2
mentosman8: 2
Rockin: 2
Marshy: 1
Riddle: 1

 

[KevinM]

The riddle wagon should really hop on the right wagon -_-.

 

[Vyse]

Fun and games start with Marshy 2 days or so after the game starts at post #83 (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8726868&postcount=83) where he asks a few questions in order to get some discussion rolling. I like it, it’s a good way to sit back and let others put themselves out there, but still, it’s good.

Looking at his earlier play, he didn’t say or do very much at all between #83 and #161, thought this is easily attributable to early day 1 and people knowing he’s reasonably experienced.

Between #204 (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8796797&postcount=204) and #303 (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8842251&postcount=303)

#204 was answering a few questions/asking a few, and the rest went as follows:

please prod ee

i'm okay with scumbagfever dying. i need to reread but i want ee's response to the fallout from his big post

deadline's in 2 days

unvote junglefever vote bunbun

unvote bunbun

-2. ee should respond ugh **** deadlines

what's not to be sure about? ee doesn't post often

request deadline extension

more later

From this play, you don’t seem very committed to any specific destination as far as your play is concerned. Many of your posts have been focussed on EE, which I don’t really feel. Instead of actively scum hunting you spent this period of 100 posts or so pushing a replacement for EE instead of scumhunting. At least you’ve got on record that you’re fine with a scumfever lynch and a bunbun lynch (By way of the vote you put on him).

Later on in the thread, you catch onto Rockin’s scummy play and start pushing a rockin lynch with quite a sound argument. (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8851617&postcount=316) It’s a play that gets you town points in my book (to borrow EE’s points system).

The part that raised red flags for me was Marshy’s play around the time of Omni’s failed ploy (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8878104&postcount=404). Now I’m not sure if it was due to a misunderstanding, but Marshy was pretty quick to jump on Omni with a vote and was pretty relentless in his following posts.

Omni tried to make the most of the situation with questions to jungle and rockin, as did Macman, but Marshy was more interested in ending things then and there. Justifiable since the deadline was staring them in the face as far as I can tell (Smashboards shows times of posts in terms of my timezone lol). As soon as Omni put two and two together for everyone, Marshy quickly pulls his vote and hops back onto Bunbun.

Kevin FoS’d Marshy in #432 (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8878376&postcount=432) with a theory that puts Omni and Marshy together which is actually a fairly sound if one assumes Omni is Mafia. The problem I have with Kevin’s theory is that I don’t think Omni’s mafia. A risky play like that, this early in the game really doesn’t seem like a mafia play, and a lyncher wouldn’t play like that either.

@Omni: Two of your posts bug me though.

not exactly lyncher, but he is dead.

anyway, curious to see what bunbun flips.

bunbun its twilight so u can talk and all that jazz.

i'll help town for now while we wait to see the flip:

fos: marshy

you should know by now that scum has safe claims. stop asking silly questions

The wording bugs me. A lot.

Either way, Marshy gives us this to Kevin’s theory:

because it's confirmable. his lie will catch up to him if hes being untruthful. i've also seen a scum pgo like once so i'm assuming he's town off of meta. you can say "but he still might be scum", but i dont care

Fair enough.

The rest of his play is reasonably consistent, so I’m happy enough to take him off my lynch list for now (Or at least, there are much more scummier targets at the moment). I decided to analyse you mostly only because I wanted to look somewhere different, and your aggressiveness around Omni’s failed ploy saga bugged me before.

If I’m misguided in my observations challenge me.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

yea homie, you've been wrong too many times to be town
vote:marshy

 

[~ Gheb ~]

ughghg rockin and riddle are tied with 3 votes and we NEED a majority until the deadline which is tomorrow and now you're starting a marshy wagon? Macman, do you really expect a marshy lynch to happen toDay?

 

[Omni]

those two posts SHOULD bug you, lol. i was portraying myself as an indie lyncher at the time to make the twilight seem more valid

Vote: Marshy

im down for a Marshy wagon.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Just to get this straight: are you (Macman and scumn-... eh I mean awesomni) guys against lynching Riddle?

 

[mentosman8]

Vyse: Yes, that situation was right near the deadline. What I find strange is that you call Marshy out for jumping on a pretty much claimed anti-town role at the time(which several of us did despite you only calling him out for it), and hopping back off once Omni explained his role and it became more likely he was town. What in the world is scummy about that?

Now, with the deadline looming, I'm still mainly for a Riddle lynch. If need be to get something done I'll probably switch to Rockin(do NOT want another no lynch), but we'll see how things go.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

medi can you prod riddle?

macman/omni why are you wagoning me? i don't see much in vyse's post that makes me look scummy

 

[#HBC | marshy]

also i'd be happy to wagon vyse if anyone else is down for that

 

[#HBC | Mac]

vote: vyse

 

[mentosman8]

Marshy: Depending on his response to my last post I may just hop a Vyse wagon, I want to see what he has to say before I consider it strongly though.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

ok. also what scummy things has riddle's player slot done?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

kevin what do you think of vyse?

 

[mentosman8]

Marshy: my vote lies there because I didn't have a solid read on Tuna cuz of inactivity, he got replaced by Tom which gave us nothing, then Tom got replaced by Riddle who still hasn't done anything. By this point I want him to either start posting(his only post in the game was "Got my pm, reading, post in a while" essentially, and at this point I'm not seeing a strong enough lynch candidate to take what started as a pressure vote off of him.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

that's sad

did you say you can insta-prove yourself town?