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Monster Mafia - Game Over
- Thread starter Mediocre
- Start date
*sigh* well, I'm not entirely sure I agree with the Vyse lynch, and I'm certainly going to wait until I hear from him before I make up my mind for the day
I know, but you have to try, at least.
I want everybody to try, and not resort to lynching due to inactivity. When Mediocre asked me if I still wanted to be a replacement, I told him only if there's no other option and he didn't want to modkill, which is exactly what would have happened if I hadn't said I would purely because it would suck big time if the game based on a theme you love and worked hard on creating fell flat because of uncommitted players.
If you're going to make a play on me or anybody else because of inactivity, you're giving scum a great reason to hide behind for making the lynch in the first place and you're starting at square-one with two less townies.
Re-Reading sections here and there, I've found something I have a problem with.
Macman 42
Omni 41
Gheb_01 36
Mediocre 34
Scumfever 31
KevinM 29
BunBun 28
Rockin 25
mentosman8 24
Marshy 20
Cacti 17
Bumble Bee Matunas 14
Evil Eye 7
Ignatius 2
This is the current post count. Only 3 players have more posts than the mod. How is this possible? Call me "Activity Police" as much as you like but this has gotten beyond ridiculous. There is no justification for a townie to play like this. How are we supposed to play D2 with 4-5 notoriously inactive players? Even with Iggy's input EE has not managed to post a mere ten times. Matunas and Cacti both have less than 20 posts and neither has contributed anything noteworthy. The same is true for Rockin and Scumfever. You can't all be mafia trying to give us as little input as possible so start posting toMorroww please or esle you'll make town lose this by your inactivity.
Rockin and BunBun are tied now and the deadline is today. We need a majority. Can we like come to a conclusion about whom should be lynched? I still think Rockin's our best bet but I suppse lynching BunBun will give us some decent info. If all else fails I can vote him.
Inactivity could start to **** us toMorrow already but policy lynching inactives will give us little info. This sucks.
You were pretty sold on your want for a Rockin lynch yesterday. Why me now? You would rather bandwagon with the people who want a policy lynch instead of following somebody you believe is scum?Time to elaborate more on my 298:
Almost everybody has been suspicious of BunBun at some point toDay. That doesn't really clear him but at the same time it's very easy for scum to advocate his lynch while blending in with the town. Of the people on his wagon I find Rockin and Omni the most suspicious. Rockin hasn't done anything in terms of scumhunting and he has been coasting all the time with some occasional "check-in" post. I feel Omni has been nudging BunBun more than anybody else but it's very vague.
Unvote Vote Rockin
via my reasoning from 298.
And Omni, just to make sure: I never told anybody to ignore me. Don't twist words in my mouth.
Can you restate for me clearly why you wanted to lynch Evil Eye in the first place? I'm here, I'm active (relatively anyhow). What is it that you want me to refute?
What's with this post? Trying to play down the mislynch that will occur if I'm lynched today?Vote Vyse
This will be extra funny if he flips town.
Nameclaim?
Nameclaim? Why? Before I even start to defend myself. This recurring mentality in this game is just pushing players to reveal themselves to clear themselves, and moving town onto the next person. This is bad, especially in a game that is clearly flavoured in terms of character and role combinations. I am annoyed by the amount of claiming going on in this game. You should be arguing your points without revealing your roles. You're giving the Mafia a buffet to work with. That is, you're telling them whether you're useful to the town or not in terms of your role.
Dismantle my opinion and tell me why I'm lynch worthy. I have several opinions on record now and I intend to play this game through, so don't give me the inactivity notice. Tell me why I or EE should be lynched.
What's the vote count now Mediocre? If you guys decide to just push me to L-1, I'll claim, but I don't want to be put there without my points being contested first.
I want this game to move on that's all. I wouldn't mind lynching Rockin at all but I hopped the Vyse wagon because it seems more effective. Always down for a Rockin wagon.
You weren't active earlier. Problem is that like Rockin, Cacti etc you just show up when you're accused of stalling/coasting. If that changes I'll unvote and hop on Rockin again. I want you to refute the accusation that you're hurting town by not playing. Refute it by contributing.
On the contrary.
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Not just you - everbody. Because like a third of the players have already claimed. There's another reason it'd be helpful though I don't want to go into detail here.
Thanks, capt. Obvious. It's kind of late to come to that conclusion though. We basically have 0 information and mafia has a claimed PGO, a Cop and a likely vanilla in view. We have not the slightest clue on who they could be because this crap town is so goddamm stupid and claims shitty roles all the time and plays just plain bad.
Figuring I'd throw my lynch pool out there.
1. Rockin
2. Any Inactive
3. Vyse.
That's really it.
1. Rockin
2. Any Inactive
3. Vyse.
That's really it.
Sorry guys. I saw this and meant to fix it, but then I forgot to.
I'll modify the previous votecount and have the new one up shortly.
After Heinemann's death, Otto Heckel sees a golden opportunity. The house is empty, and the police seem to have concluded their investigation. He scopes out the house for a little while, just to make sure, before finally concluding that it's safe. But just as he approaches the house, a police car pulls in, blinding him with his headlights. Heckel turns to run, and the police quickly exit the car and chase after him. Heckel reaches the wall at the edge of Heinemann's property, and scrambles to the top. As he's about to jump off to the other side, one of the officer's grabs his ankle. It's not a firm hold, but it's enough to cause Heckel to fall out of control, and land headfirst on a large rock in the ground below.
BunBun, Craven Thief (watcher, survivor) has been modkilled.
The Deadline Has Been Extended:
11:59 PM EST December 8
As of post 687
5/9 votes to lynch
The Current Votecount:
Rockin: 4 (KevinM, Marshy, Vyse, Gheb_01)
Vyse: 2 (Macman, Cacti)
mentosman8: 1 (Omni)
Not Voting: 2 (mentosman8, Rockin)
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Dec 4
Vyse
Gheb_01
KevinM
Dec 3
Macman
Omni
Rockin
Cacti
mentosman8
Dec 2
Marshy
Dec 1
INACTIVE
Inactivity Count
Cacti: 3
mentosman8: 2
Rockin: 2
Marshy: 1
BunBun, Craven Thief (watcher, survivor) has been modkilled.
The Deadline Has Been Extended:
11:59 PM EST December 8
As of post 687
5/9 votes to lynch
The Current Votecount:
Rockin: 4 (KevinM, Marshy, Vyse, Gheb_01)
Vyse: 2 (Macman, Cacti)
mentosman8: 1 (Omni)
Not Voting: 2 (mentosman8, Rockin)
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Inactivity Count
Cacti: 3
mentosman8: 2
Rockin: 2
Marshy: 1
unvote rockin
role makes sense
So BB was an indy? Now that's some info to work with (and good news for a change). I'll take a look at that BB wagon from D1 but I already thought earlier that it was scum-infected. His flip only confirms it considering that scum can't tell the difference between town and indy.
Looking at semantic like that won't help. If you look at Wonderland Mafia, Marshy was on the Riddle lynch early and he was scum.
Just don't focus on who was on wagons too much. You can't decipher scum votes from just incorrect town votes.
On iPhone.
Just don't focus on who was on wagons too much. You can't decipher scum votes from just incorrect town votes.
On iPhone.
it is anti-town to discourage gheb to look at wagons like that. What he's may or may not prove to be useful. You cant just throw it out the window just becuz scum may have bussed or town may have voted incorrectly or w/e.
I didn't say just throw it out the window. It's just a bad idea to -concentrate- on wagons when they don't show too much information. Saying that an Indy flip "confirms a scum-wagon" makes no sense considering good scumhunting townies will also be on the wagon. It's null.
A Mafia flip, like you're describing Mac, is totally different from a town or indy flip.
A Mafia flip, like you're describing Mac, is totally different from a town or indy flip.
Omni, an indie flip from a wagon means it's very possible that mafia were on the wagon. Sure, it's hard to tell who's scum and who's incorrect town, but at the same time, it's also very true that ANY town/indie lynch is very possible to have at least one scum on it. Looking at the BunBun wagon at the end of your ploy, that leaves me, you, Marshy, Vyse(EE didn't actually vote BunBun, but was pushing the idea while not voting which is probably scummier) and Mac as the ones on the wagon who are still alive. Obviously from my POV, that means I wouldn't be surprised if there's at least one scum between the remaining three.
Now, looking at this post BunBun flip, I've already found one thing extremely odd. On D1, when discussing lynch post Omni confusingness, he talks about how he would like to lynch BunBun because it gives information on a lot of people. One game day later, he's saying that the wagon isn't that imporant. Why the change in mindset?
Right now I think I'm fine with a Vyse lynch. EE's subtle pushing of BunBun seems a whole lot different knowing Bun isn't maf than it did when I thought it was still possible. Not positive though. Marshy also seems like an ok lynch choice.
Now, looking at this post BunBun flip, I've already found one thing extremely odd. On D1, when discussing lynch post Omni confusingness, he talks about how he would like to lynch BunBun because it gives information on a lot of people. One game day later, he's saying that the wagon isn't that imporant. Why the change in mindset?
Right now I think I'm fine with a Vyse lynch. EE's subtle pushing of BunBun seems a whole lot different knowing Bun isn't maf than it did when I thought it was still possible. Not positive though. Marshy also seems like an ok lynch choice.
Still going with my lynch pool even after that flip actually.
You are the one causing confusion with semantics by equalling "scum" with "indy + mafia". Let's just use the regular terms and you'll see that you are wrong. BunBun was independent not "Mafia or indy". There was no bus in this wagon involved (opposed to Riddle in Wonderland) because he (most likely) has no "indy buddy" to bus him in the first place. Riddle flipped MAFIA in Wonderland not independent. Huge difference from the POV of the mafia.
Why'd you discourage me to attempt to gain info from a wagon? Who said that I need to be able to "decipher scum votes from incorrect town votes"? Matunas was also wrong about it but chances are that scum was on that wagon and I'll look at the how and the why and bring up some thoughts to get some serious discussion going.
Just because indies are considered scum doesn't mean that the mafia doesn't wagon them. They don't know if he's indy or town. They'd probably still try to push such an easy "mislynch".
@Mentos: Not sure what you're talking about. I need you to quote me directly so I can answer your question correctly.
@Gheb: Scum is anyone who isn't town, Gheb. My POINT Gheb is that Bunbun Indy flip is a null-tell. If both Mafia and Town did their job correctly then the wagon will be filled with both members.
I am not discouraging you from looking. I just don't agree with your method and think you shouldn't only concentrate on the wagon. There could be scum who wasn't on the wagon, scum who was on the wagon, town who wasn't on the wagon, and town that was on the wagon.
The Marshy example was addressed to Mac since his example didn't apply to an Indy/Town flip.
I'll ask you this again: How does this indy flip prove that the wagon was scum-infested? There is no guarantee from my POV so I need to understand how this works for you.
@Gheb: Scum is anyone who isn't town, Gheb. My POINT Gheb is that Bunbun Indy flip is a null-tell. If both Mafia and Town did their job correctly then the wagon will be filled with both members.
I am not discouraging you from looking. I just don't agree with your method and think you shouldn't only concentrate on the wagon. There could be scum who wasn't on the wagon, scum who was on the wagon, town who wasn't on the wagon, and town that was on the wagon.
The Marshy example was addressed to Mac since his example didn't apply to an Indy/Town flip.
I'll ask you this again: How does this indy flip prove that the wagon was scum-infested? There is no guarantee from my POV so I need to understand how this works for you.
First and foremost, this is the quote I was talking about. You say lynching BunBun would give us info on a lot of people, yet now you say the wagon means nothing. Why is that. Now, on to something else I didn't mention before that I want to hear from you about.
These two posts were VERY close to eachother at the end of D1. At first you complain about people taking the claims to heart cuz they may mean nothing, then in the next, a short, short 4 minutes later, you talk about BunBun's claim being solid and decide you thought we should nl. What's with the switch?
i didn't say the wagon means nothing. don't be so dramatic. just advising Gheb not to tunnel too hard on a wagon that is now a null-tell.
to be completely honest, i forgot why a bunbun flip would give us a lot of information. the inactivity and stagnation of the game annoyed me to the point where i stopped paying attention to this game. i couldnt tell u exactly what i was thinking or where i was going with it but thats what it is.
because i've watched Monster and know the show in detail. despite scum having safe claims his role made perfect sense with his character. in the end, both of them lined up as you can see however i couldnt predict his alignment.
hm.
im curious as to why you're digging up old news and just now bringing it to light, mentos. it smells like scum looking for a new case to push. are you asking these questions because you find my play scummy?
i'd just like to know what's going on your head as you ask these questions.
Not particularly, just with the BunBun flip it's made me curious to go back and look at the area around the end of D1 to see if I could gather something. While you aren't my top suspect right now, seeing those posts following knowing BunBun didn't flip mafia made me curious about your motivations and why your attitude changed. If you were scum with your role, or if that's not really your role(I have thought of a way that makes sense, not sure if it's my top idea right now, but it is there), I could see that situation as having pushed for a confusing point that you could point to and say "SEE! I saved us from lynching a townie with that gambit" if it had been successful. Knowing your motivations now that I know the flip helps me decide what to think.
this was the same impression i got.
hm
id much rather vyse than rockin. or atleast make vyse claim
Well, and as I said this is neither my top theory nor very high up on the list at all, in fact after hearing your mindset on the posts I questioned it's actually pretty low, but there is the off chance that if you and marshy were mafia together, and asked Medi if two votes were made at the same time, one voting and one unvote, if both would count simultaneously. If he did plan it that way, that would allow you two to plan a post/fake your gambit to essentially make town think you were clear for the remainder of the game. As I said, definitely not my top theory, just like to look at all the angles Also, still think I'd be up for a Vyse lynch today as the deadline approaches.
Also, still think I'd be up for a Vyse lynch today as the deadline approaches.Really, Mentos? It's not obvious to you that the post that appears first is the post that is counted as first?
You really seem to be grasping for straws. What makes you look more suspicious is that you're readily willing to switch the subject from me to Vyse. Vyse is the easy lynch, isn't he?
Why are you acting so scummy, Mentos?
You really seem to be grasping for straws. What makes you look more suspicious is that you're readily willing to switch the subject from me to Vyse. Vyse is the easy lynch, isn't he?
Why are you acting so scummy, Mentos?
Want Cacti to stop actively lurking.
He's been prodded 3 times and I've seen him on and off viewing this thread.
@Mentos: An add on question to the post above: In the scenario you explain, how does Marshy look like cleared town for the rest of the game given that the joint-mafia-gambit theory is true?
He's been prodded 3 times and I've seen him on and off viewing this thread.
@Mentos: An add on question to the post above: In the scenario you explain, how does Marshy look like cleared town for the rest of the game given that the joint-mafia-gambit theory is true?
Make vyse claim? With no pressure on him?
If you're up for a vyse wagon, wagon him but don't just have a potential townie claim with no pressure and no real reasoning.
Plus you could just vote Rockin with me Mac
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First of all, I had already mentioned I was fine with a Vyse lynch. The only reason I questioned you was because I found things that seemed to contradict eachother, and felt I should question them. When you gave responses I was fine with, I went back to the target I originally mentioned. Also important is the fact that I pointed out the scenario I offered was not likely, not my strongest idea, and already explained why I took a diversion to you, so please stop repeating questions.
And, to your second question, never said Marshy would. But, 1 scum who has a role that seems to be airtight proven is enough to win the game.
And, to your second question, never said Marshy would. But, 1 scum who has a role that seems to be airtight proven is enough to win the game.
Why? After the captain obvious post I made before I thought the stance was clear that you shouldn't be pressuring for any kind claim out of someone who isn't L-1 or something very close.
I don't understand why people are more interested in voting for me when Rockin is the one who has only made one post between the first modkill and now and that was only to push another modkill. Scummy play if I ever saw it.
Gheb's request of me was to refute the accusations on me by being active, so voila.
Re-reading recent posts and I didn't like this one. You don't feel like scumhunting?
Why do you think I'm a better lynch candidate than Rockin?
Same question goes to everybody. It's likely that one of us is going to die today, and I want everyone's opinion pre-lynch accounted for before we see the flip. If you've already posted why, quote it, bring it all together.
No i don't feel like scumhunting. problem?
and kevin, honestly i wud join, becuz rockin is scummy as ****. But his claim is just too good from a flavor standpoint.
and kevin, honestly i wud join, becuz rockin is scummy as ****. But his claim is just too good from a flavor standpoint.
ok so I just realized it may be lylo.
if its 3 town 1 indy.
but Bunbun was an independent. so maybe npt. I'm pretty sure grimmer would be in this game. And I am pretty sure he's not mafia. And pgo makes complete sense for his role. Would have been cool if we lynched him/bunbun d1. If we lose its the NLers fault.
Which is why EE/Cacti are scumm for NLing.
if its 3 town 1 indy.
but Bunbun was an independent. so maybe npt. I'm pretty sure grimmer would be in this game. And I am pretty sure he's not mafia. And pgo makes complete sense for his role. Would have been cool if we lynched him/bunbun d1. If we lose its the NLers fault.
Which is why EE/Cacti are scumm for NLing.
Holy crap, how did I not see Rockin's name since he claimed god ****it>_> Anyway, I'm going to Vote: Rockin because I counterclaim his character. I would prefer my role to stay hidden, but I can also give you guys a way to prove me.
hahah wtf. mentos. mentos. wtf.
hhahahhahahahahhahahaa
im loling so hard right now
hhahahhahahahahhahahaa
im loling so hard right now
So am I Mac, biggest fail by me in a mafia game of all time>_<
of course we have to consider that this is mafia ploy by you, mentoscum. what is the way yu have of proving yur grimmer?
Sorry I havn't been posting. I'll be sure to post up something soon (like Monday at 12AM. Just been kinda busy atm)
Macman, I highly doubt that it's lylo. Even if there's still an indy left it doesn't mean that he can joint win if his win condition doesnt allow it (and BB already had such a WinCon). Mentos or Rockin are scum. Lynch Rockin toDay for sure. Not sure why people are THAT tunneled against Vyse to vote him over Rockin. Vyse's few post all have a lot more content than ANYTHING Rockin posted in the whole game.