Monster Mafia - Game Over! Was the Beast slain, or did evil overcome?

[#HBC | Mac]

im interested in seeing what you got for ff though.

i don't got much... mostly cuz FF hasn't done much.

i dislike his lackluster play all game. i dislike his wagon jumping yesterDay much of which was very unexplained (and those wagons were pretty gross IMO). I dislike that he wasn't on the scary wagon despite how willing he was to hop on a wagon other than the big 3


i'm digging your jerkus vote, I might recommit to that after I do another look over of the game

also i'm getting town vibes from gheb

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I'm hydraing with ashemu.

yeeeeee boiiii

 

[#HBC | Mac]

thinking scary and bardull were a lil too chummy early on to be scumpartners

 

[#HBC | Mac]

new side note for self......jerkus is a hydra. Heh, would've never known lol.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

aw i fail, i ****ed up the pic =/

lynch me nao

 

[#HBC | Mac]

ebittywop

new side note for self......jerkus is a hydra. Heh, would've never known lol.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Unvote Vote Jerkus

 

[Jerkus]

Well Jesus, that oughta be fun to deal with.

Vote: Nabe

Theory: Scary was Mafia's only method of killing, making the kill from last Night the doings of a Serial Killer or the like. I believe someone (Zen?) mentioned that an SK seems likely in this set-up based on flavor, and for a 15-player game that certainly doesn't seem out of the question. Plus, the obvious implication of the mafia having a Poisoner as opposed to a more traditional/reliable way to kill would be that there is another killing faction in the game.

Thoughts?

 

[Jerkus]

Quick note wrt Mac's 1165:

This is particularly amusing to me, because one of the very early signs that I picked up that seemed like it could hint to you and giraffes being connected was you saying something about how you're just realizing giraffes was a hydra, or asking who composed the heads or something, and how it looked really fake to me.

So I understand how you see what you see, but am also all too aware of how little it really means.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

fair reasoning... though I really wish someone other than your slot brought it up since the kill implicates you the most. (but I guess that might be why you had the thought, sigh)

so you think mafia doesn't have a night kill anymore?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Quick note wrt Mac's 1165:

This is particularly amusing to me, because one of the very early signs that I picked up that seemed like it could hint to you and giraffes being connected was you saying something about how you're just realizing giraffes was a hydra, or asking who composed the heads or something, and how it looked really fake to me.

So I understand how you see what you see, but am also all too aware of how little it really means.

i hate you so much

 

[Jerkus]

Yes. I've thought that since Scary's flip.

 

[Jerkus]

A brief skim through early D1 has me thinking FML is pretty unlikely to be Scary's buddy.

 

[Ashemu]

hi im here but i have no idea if i should post before the account is made / mod acknowledges hydra request

 

[Jerkus]

FML, what do you know about being Hated-for-a-Day? Like, did you expect that to happen or do you think someone visited you or...?

hi ash

 

[#HBC | Mac]

forgive me for continuing to mutilate this dead horse but I just NEED to explain why I hate Jerkus (even if he is town

jerkus mentions my connection with ILUV a few times, and I ask him to explain

Expand on this

Haha, man, it's so obvious when Mac is scum. Just, nothing clicks.

directly after he posts this which is already ****ing annoying as **** cuz OBVIOUSLY the connection should be self explanatory and I should clearly know wtf he's talking about already.... ugh (reminsicent of when rake and ran voted Gorf in zombies for some logic they didn't feel like explaining to me and turned out to be wrong af)

In Zen's #276 he points out the connection between me and ILUV where I say I didn't know who's in that hydra. I realize this might be the reason why Jerkus says there is a connection and I explain how stupid it is here:

Though @ Jerkus if that's your reasoning for a giraffes / Mac pair that's pretty ****in dumb. I wouldn't even think to use such silly, unnecessary and superfluous comments in order to distance myself from my partner. Mostly cuz I don't expect ppl paying this game to be mindless enough to fall for that...

@Ilovegiraffes in zombies mafia I also went through phases where I wasn't actively scumhunting despite following / skimming the thread akin to right now, so not a scum tell

then in Jerkus's huge post explaining why I'm scummy he says this about my post:

I also don't know what he means when he says "if that's your reasoning for a giraffes / Mac pair that's pretty ****in dumb," as I've yet to explain my reasoning for that assertion, and I know my other head has refrained as well. Perhaps pre-emptive defense because scurred? I'm genuinely confused by it.

But NOW the next Day Jerkus finally feels like expanding on one of his reasons for seeing a connection between me and ILUV, and it's the EXACT SAME ****ING LOGIC that I was defending against which he says doesn't make sense

So i swear Jerkus is just ****in with me and I hate that slot with such a passion

 

[#HBC | J]

Seems I win the bet, Circus.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

going back to Zen's #276, he had already mentioned that he thought Scary and Bardull was disconnected (so good ****). Though he views Scary's post about Jerkus's hydra to be a disconnection between the two.

anyways I just wanted to say that in retrospect that post even more strongly reaffirms Zen town (I just which he would go back to thinking I was town =[[[)

 

[#HBC | Mac]

lol **** you J

 

[Ashemu]

hi im here but i have no idea if i should post before the account is made / mod acknowledges hydra request

@ #HBC | Dancer

 

[when gorf gets banned]

lol wassup peeps

 

[Jerkus]

Mac, I hope you've gotten that out of your system now because I really couldn't be less interested in defending my reads from yesterDay. They were wrong; I'm cool with it. I'm moving on.

 

[Ashemu]

lol wassup peeps

plz

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I don't even want you to defend it I just was rereading and getting livid again by the absurdity of it all and I couldn't NOT state how your recent post just adds salt to the wound

though it is weird that you were confused about why I was defending against mac/iluv-connection logic that you as if the logic didn't make any sense, but now you're confirming that that logic is one of the reasons you had that impression


anyways, I see you're voting Nabe, how do you feel about Xatres now?

 

[Ashemu]

did gorf SERIOUSLY compare and contrast trans ppl with hitler and get banned for it oh my ****ing god

im bored bc mod hasnt confirmed yet and ill probably be gone by the time he has a chance to

 

[Jerkus]

anyways, I see you're voting Nabe, how do you feel about Xatres now?

I think J and I have agreed that he's probably town. Or at least not mafia. The way the end of D1 played out is not indicative of him being aligned with Scary.

 

[when gorf gets banned]

*sigh*

i had my case for jerkus posted up on my account on my brother's computer. but since i got banned i'll give the not-so-long summary. the post will probz be eaten cuz ban but still. if expansion is needed i'll go through the thread n pull up the corresponding posts but i reeeeeeally don't wanna go through the thread again.

jerkus and scary's interactions all throughout yesterDay are gross. scary had been posting rvs nonsense at the beginning of the Day, and had very little content to go off of. jerkus took that as a "could die" or whatever it is that they explicitly said stance and didn't budge from that all Day. this stance is really really safe and allows jerkus an out to not take a stance on em. they had that period of time where they asked scary about his reads or something, but no follow up. when i spoke to jerkus about my opinion on scary, they said they agree, but that he's still just on the "could die" stance. no strong opinion on em. just that he could die. there was minimal interaction between jerkus and scary and, even though jerkus' vote was on scary, it was because scary was the opposing wagon. he was still insistent that he was a "could die" player and just handled scary as a whole very awkwardly. i implore everyone to take a second look at the interactions between the two slots n see how they feel.

 

[Jerkus]

did gorf SERIOUSLY compare and contrast trans ppl with hitler and get banned for it oh my ****ing god

 

[when gorf gets banned]

troll so hard mudda fuqqas wanna find me

 

[Dooms]

*sigh*

i had my case for jerkus posted up on my account on my brother's computer. but since i got banned i'll give the not-so-long summary. the post will probz be eaten cuz ban but still. if expansion is needed i'll go through the thread n pull up the corresponding posts but i reeeeeeally don't wanna go through the thread again.

jerkus and scary's interactions all throughout yesterDay are gross. scary had been posting rvs nonsense at the beginning of the Day, and had very little content to go off of. jerkus took that as a "could die" or whatever it is that they explicitly said stance and didn't budge from that all Day. this stance is really really safe and allows jerkus an out to not take a stance on em. they had that period of time where they asked scary about his reads or something, but no follow up. when i spoke to jerkus about my opinion on scary, they said they agree, but that he's still just on the "could die" stance. no strong opinion on em. just that he could die. there was minimal interaction between jerkus and scary and, even though jerkus' vote was on scary, it was because scary was the opposing wagon. he was still insistent that he was a "could die" player and just handled scary as a whole very awkwardly. i implore everyone to take a second look at the interactions between the two slots n see how they feel.

Copy pasting in case Gorf's account gets banned.

That was dumb as **** btw. We were all rooting for you and Xonar, Gorf!

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Checking in for a moment while at work.

@Zack Fair
What do you think of Jerkus' recent posts? Does it still warrant our triple vote or should we move to Macman due to Jerkus' argument.

Back to work.

 

[when gorf gets banned]

as reference:

@#HBC | Zen
So then why bring up the idea of a triple vote thing at all? When you joined in and stared using context that insinuated that there would be cohesion such as "our vote" or that you would only move your vote if I did, it only became natural for me to ask you about what you thought. This entire voting block caught me off guard because I've never had to deal with such a thing. The other time in FFtA I merely avoided it.

As far as my vote on Jerkus, I have actually softened in my stance on them. Before, I left my vote on them because of them avoiding/ignoring the early questions they had to face especially in regard to the late attempt at a BarDull wagon, and the shoddy Mac push. Those were generally gross but after the read up and getting caught up for the most part, I'm seeing Jerkus in a more town light. That started with the interactions with Xatres. For some reason or another, I'm taking the frustration from Jerkus as a town feel. The frustration stemming from the, during the Xatres AtE case has given me a genuine feeling of town from Jerkus thanks to the emotions exhibited from Jerkus. It doesn't seem like much and I would like to see them be a little more open about things asked of them, but tying that together with their 836 & 839 has made me feel better about them (aside from the vote on me but I understand it since I've kinda been in their top 3 since forever ago and we are starting to run low on time to hit new avenues) In 836 especially I agree with their thoughts on iLuv and I'm willing to get that party started. Think you can come to a compromise and explore this route some more? There is still time before the deadline but I feel like its going to be difficult since a good chunk of peeps have V/LA'ed.

Unvote

Your tidbit about using meta on others and having meta used against or ignored makes me feel better about your slot as well Jerkus since its further hitting on what I mentioned about your genuine frustration and it makes me want to explore the idea of pursuing iluv. Setting aside what is known about Ran's town meta. Its been something that has been hit all game, the idea of "how can they get away with the reasoning that they are using" and the quality of their pushes which has been lacking. The attempt at FML was bleh. Again, stripping that slot of their meta and what you get is a slot that has scummed it up in my eyes.

To answer the other stuff, I think scum lies in the inactive pile and iLuv for the moment. I'm also alright with Joey for now. He's been really level-headed in his play and his logic with some of his reasoning has been really sound. Nothing jumps out at me immediately but I'll delve deeper just to be sure.

here's scary's post where the wagon really starts kickin on em.

Plus it seems people are settled between us and Scary.

Anyways those are some updated thoughts so;
Unvote
Vote: Scary

this is jerkus' vote on scary.

the following are jerkus' direct mentions of scary afterward:

If Scary flips town, then there's definitely scum in the pool of players who aren't voting the main wagons (Rajam, Gheb, Frozen, Were). Don't want to get their hands dirty for the sake of the flip.

aaaand that's that!

(oh and check this out too)

I'm having less and less options.

Unvote
Vote: Jerkus

I don't like this and I don't see an iluv wagon happening in the next 4 hours. I'm either left with voting for Jerkus since they are the only other wagon with a chance of coming through or hoping peeps could jump on kuz as a compromise since he's the final inactive without replacement. No hard feelings Jerkus, it's just you and me unless something happens

after this came the quick kuz attempt, the hop back, and then the quick frozen attempt.

 

[when gorf gets banned]

let the record show btw that jerkus' scary vote happened before that one scary post i quoted.

 

[Jerkus]

Okay, at this point it's clear you're just looking for confirmation bias. Both of you.

Gorf, wanna tell me why I would even bother with the "if Scary flips town posts" that Xatres was on my case about if I knew he was going to flip scum? Why wouldn't I just commit to the read and bus him hard? There were no good alternatives to me or Scary by the end of the Day, and I was partially responsible for making sure that was the case at deadline.

It literally doesn't make any sense for Scary and I to be partners. His play does reflect panicked scum looking for any out he can get, but my play does not reflect a buddy. I never moved my vote off of Scary once it was on, even with plenty of opportunities to try a different wagon. I insisted on lynching Scary at the end of the Day, even though I wasn't certain he'd flip scum and the prospect of ****ing kuz outta here was momentarily appealing.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

@ Jerkus join the frozen flame wagon

Alternatively back up your Nabe vote

 

[Dooms]

what made/makes Frozen different than Scary? (same question @#HBC | Zen)
why.

The way Scary was posting after he actually came back made me believe he was town, so I didn't want to lynch him. Frozenflame had absolutely nothing going for him, so I didn't mind seeing him go at all.

 

[Jerkus]

Nabe lurked all D1 and was hesitant to move to Scary at the end of the Day. Scary mentions him kind of out of the blue in a couple of early posts, seemingly looking for something to talk about (it is my opinion that mafiosi will pay greater attention to their partners in thread without realizing it; for this same reason, I don't think that Scary's early interactions with Bardull, as chummy as they are, necessarily bode well for Rajam).

And here's where I'll emphasize the idea of Scary potentially being mafia's only killing role, hence the hesitation to bus immediately if you can force a No Lynch or swing to FML or something. Even with only hours left in the Day, Nabe was still trying to swing to a third wagon.

Not townreading Frozen right now, but certainly not feeling him more than Nabe. Frozen's post-lynch post about side-eyeing all the people who wanted to swing to him last minute reads pretty genuine to me at least.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Okay, at this point it's clear you're just looking for confirmation bias. Both of you.

Also not sure why you'd say this about Gorf who's been against your push all game

 

[Jerkus]

Also not sure why you'd say this about Gorf who's been against your push all game

Doesn't change the fact that he's currently looking for things that justify his read right now, rather than analyzing things without bias. Everything that has been posted by both of you so far is just "look at this post; it could be interpreted as a connection to Scary, therefor I'm interpreting it as a connection to Scary."

 

[Jerkus]

Which I guess I should clarify is not a terrible point of view to start from, but you're tunneling.