Monster Mafia - Game Over! Was the Beast slain, or did evil overcome?

[~ Gheb ~]

Xatres, please summarize your point against Jerkus in one sentence.

 

[Xatres]

Ultimately, that's what makes AtE so dangerous. Not because it is necessarily scummy in its own right, but because it can be used to cover up bad logic and twisted words. People can shrug and say, "that's just how he is," and completely miss the fact the information communication behind the emotion is either nonexistent or downright wrong.

 

[Xatres]

@ ~ Gheb ~ - Jerkus's play has been characterized by manipulation and hypocrisy.

 

[#HBC | J]

Your philosophy towards AtE is so warped it is making me actually cringe.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@ ~ Gheb ~ - Jerkus's play has been characterized by manipulation and hypocrisy.

Not sure whether I can agree with that or not. Manipulation isn't something I'd look out for as a scumtell and hypocrisy seems to be a bit of an exaggeration. I think 'inconsistent' is a more fitting term for how he's been playing. I don't think he's aware of the things you call him a hypocrite for as he makes his posts.

Your philosophy towards AtE is so warped it is making me actually cringe.

Posts like this don't really help your case, you know ...

 

[Xivii]

Wind, guide me.

 

[#HBC | J]

I know but I'm pretty fed up this game. Plus me and circus agreed he'd respond to Xatres so I am out of bounds there.

Regardless, towards my gripe towards your play. This game is different. I just don't like when you get mean/bully/etc etc. That's the play I dislike. When you actualy post your thoughts I'm okay.

 

[Lore]

Wind, guide me.

Soul Calibur quote, by any chance?

Hey J, why aren't you posting in the hydra? I'm just curious.

 

[Xivii]

Vote: Scary

Let's end this

 

[Xatres]

Not sure whether I can agree with that or not. Manipulation isn't something I'd look out for as a scumtell and hypocrisy seems to be a bit of an exaggeration. I think 'inconsistent' is a more fitting term for how he's been playing. I don't think he's aware of the things you call him a hypocrite for as he makes his posts.

Okay, let's look at it this way...

1) I can agree that single instances of manipulation are not necessarily scummy. Townies can pull gambits, withhold info, ect, and it doesn't have to be scummy. But when a given user's play is characterized by manipulation, when their posts routinely dodge criticisms, appeal of emotion, twist other player's arguments, AND avoid offering real arguments and logic... isn't THAT play considered scummy? Play that is manipulative through and through?

2) If we go with a player being inconsistent, how far does the inconsistency need to go for it to be considered scummy? One or two inconsistencies could be considered normal. But if a user's play is consistently inconsistent, what does that tell you? I pointed out my issues with Jerkus's play DAYS ago, and it has yet to be properly addressed. The inconsistencies continue.

So yes, I'll grant individual instances of manipulation or inconsistency are not necessarily scummy. But play that is consistently inconsistent or manipulative absolutely is.

 

[Xivii]

Also xatres is so town it hurts.

 

[Xatres]

@ Xivii - Don't rush a lynch when we've still got hours to go AND when we're mid-conversation.

 

[Lore]

Unvote because I don't feel comfortable with a hurried lynch right now.

Zen, why the flip flop between Kuz and now back to Scary? I don't see any point from your trying Kuz a page ago when there's no one else really for him and you just showed that you're still fine with ending Scary right now. Why didn't you just stick with Scary?

 

[Xatres]

@ Xivii - Your vote was already on Scary, but you should definitely unvote and make sure no quicklynch happens. Scary will be back around 5pm. There's plenty of time left in the day.

I'd also like to know WHY you think I'm town and what you think of the current state of the case against Jerkus.

 

[Xivii]

But yeah it's probably not possible given the dont-lyncg-inactives culture of dgames, the up coming deadline, and all the v/las.

I just feel like scum scary would have claimed just then.

I'll put jerkus at l-1 unless you think my reasoning is wrong.

@ Lore first para. And gorfs post.

Mfw rushed lynch with 10 hours to deadline.

 

[Xatres]

@ Xivii - Remember GSC-3 (or whatever) mafia? You did this same thing on the last day in that game and nearly got me lynched. Town ended up rocking socks that game. Have faith.

 

[Xivii]

For the record I'm on mobile and at work. Waiting for scary is a bad idea. Disagree with your case on jerkus. Town because your reasoning for not voting scary.

 

[Lore]

@ Lore first para. And gorfs post.

Mfw rushed lynch with 10 hours to deadline.

Thanks for the quote! I get it now, no worries.

And I only say it's rushed because the lynchee isn't even back yet. I want to hear him again. Why is waiting on Scary a bad idea?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

But the only connections to or from Kuz are the most recent ones, the ones calling for his lynch? And if he's town it can be easily covered up as "oh we were just lynching inactives." We get nothing meaningful out of the lynch minus a single, nonconnected flip and removing an inactive player.

so? that's still more than absolutely nothing, and plus, my point stood more with the "little to lose for lynching that slot" argument, ESPECIALLY for D1.

xat... two-three days worth of a wagon is far from last minute.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Thanks for the quote! I get it now, no worries.

And I only say it's rushed because the lynchee isn't even back yet. I want to hear him again. Why is waiting on Scary a bad idea?

i assume because people might second guess themselves if he claims something like a pr.

 

[Xivii]

@ Xatres all I've ever wanted from the jerkus slot was to read them. Now I have and I don't think they're scum. Scary is a better lynch to me over the two.

@Rajam we don't have much time until the deadline. Your 4 strongest town reads are voting scary. Along with your strongest scum read. The other wagon is jerkus.

 

[Nameless]

Vote Count

1. Nabe
2. Gorf (1) - Rajam
3. Jerkus (Circus/J) (5) - th3kuzinator, ilovegiraffes, Macman, Xatres, Nabe
4. FrozenFlame
5. Macman
6. BarDulL
7. Ilovegiraffes (Red Ryu/Ranmaru) (1) - ScaryLB59
8. th3kuzinator
9. ScaryLB59 (5) - Gorf, Jerkus, FullMetalLynch, Joey, Zen
10. Gheb_01
11. Xatres
12. FullMetalLynch (Rake/Orboknown) (2) - Gheb_01, Frozenflame
13. Joey
14. Werekill
15. Zen

Not voting: Werekill

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Not sure if I like the kuz push over the scary vote by zen.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Ok, I'm home and by my computer even though I will most definitely need a shower at some point.

The final few hours are upon us.

@ Nameless
You skipped over my vote on iluv last night I believe.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

EBWOP, totally see it now. My bad.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Okay, let's look at it this way...

1) I can agree that single instances of manipulation are not necessarily scummy. Townies can pull gambits, withhold info, ect, and it doesn't have to be scummy. But when a given user's play is characterized by manipulation, when their posts routinely dodge criticisms, appeal of emotion, twist other player's arguments, AND avoid offering real arguments and logic... isn't THAT play considered scummy? Play that is manipulative through and through?

2) If we go with a player being inconsistent, how far does the inconsistency need to go for it to be considered scummy? One or two inconsistencies could be considered normal. But if a user's play is consistently inconsistent, what does that tell you? I pointed out my issues with Jerkus's play DAYS ago, and it has yet to be properly addressed. The inconsistencies continue.

In my opinion it's not the extent of manipulation or the inconsistency that matters [good manipulation can't be detected so easily anyway] but it's the intention and the awareness that matter. I'll repeat myself but I do not think that J is aware of how hypocritical and inconsistent he tends to be as he makes his posts. If you attack him or if he feels himself exposed for one reason or another he can be quite a *****. To make it clear, I don't think you are wrong with what you say or that I can't see where you're coming frrom. I just don't think that you'll get what you're looking for by lynching him.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Not sure if I like the kuz push over the scary vote by zen.

Not sure why people continue to tolerate your constant bull****.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Because im much easier to tolerate then you ryker or gorf 99 times out if 100.
Now find something actually scummy about me and you might have a chance of actually making an impact this game

 

[Dooms]

Scary, claim. You only have a few hours before deadline, and if you don't claim now, you're more than likely getting lynched regardless.

Just throwing that out there.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Wait. I'm only at L-3 just like Jerkus even though it appears to have stalled out for the moment.

I saw I was at L-2 for a moment last night but I woke up this morning and checked a few times at work and see I'm back at L-3. Is it really necessary at this moment Joey or should I wait until I fall back onto L-2?

 

[Dooms]

You should claim because it's either you or Jerkus, and it could swing either way at this point. If you don't want it to swing your way, I'd claim.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Charging . do not have web or service in ky room. Be back online in an hour or soinf

 

[Lore]

Scary, I only unvoted to prevent a hammer out of nowhere because it was suddenly L-1. My vote will go back on unless I change my mind.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

If you really think so man, I'll trust ya!

I'm Wolfgang Grimmer, your run of the mill vanilla townie.

@ Lore
So very thoughtful!

 

[Lore]

Is it just me, or do I smell some sarcasm? Lol.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

No man! I'm not the sarcastic type lol.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

So can we lynch FML or Zen yet?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Stop being silly gheb and actually put your vote to something that will actually happen

 

[~ Gheb ~]

"Stop having an opinion gheb and actually conform to people you have no faith in"

 

[Lore]

"Stop having an opinion gheb and actually conform to people you have no faith in"

Sieg hei- I mean yeah! Exactly!