I'll get the vid up tonight when my friend comes over. Sorry for the long delay, I just don't have anyone to help me demonstrate this. Computers aren't exactly the best at using MK's B moves.
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MK will never tornado you again.
- Thread starter UTDZac
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ajuice14
Smash Rookie
when will the vids be up? D:
Sudai
Stuff here
It's already up. Zac just hasn't had the chance to post it yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
ajuice14
Smash Rookie
POKE40
Smash Lord
om nom nom nom...eating mai popcorn whlie watchn' vid
lol this is really helpful.
I can suggest perhaps this.
Wow that find is encouraging. Thanks!
lol this is really helpful.
I can suggest perhaps this.
- Do this technique the very FIRST time MK uses the tornado
Wow that find is encouraging. Thanks!
Mr. Escalator
G&W Guru
Something I wanted to point out from the get-go, but couldn't without confirmation, is that you can't SDI G&W's Uair wind.
This.
Much like a throw, windboxs don't have that inital hitstun that allows you to SDI.
Yup my bad. At first I thought it was SDI-ing the hitboxes. Turns out it's just you re-fastfalling after being pushed up again.
Wow I love G&W =)
ajuice14
Smash Rookie
post the vid already!
Random Question
Smash Cadet
i would like to see this also, because i have a very hard time with metaknights against falco and i need to find an advantage.
_Phloat_
Smash Champion
GaW does have great matchups, but MK is not one of them.
MK Marth and Snake are good reasons to have a secondary, although the matchups are winnable they aren't fun, or in your advantage.
MK Marth and Snake are good reasons to have a secondary, although the matchups are winnable they aren't fun, or in your advantage.
That they are. In order of difficulty I find MK, Marth, then Snake. They are all really annoying.
In teams, however, G&W has no bad matchups (given the right playstyle). Most of those characters lose what they would normally have on G&W in teams. I enjoy playing against MKs and Snakes in teams =) and sometimes Marth since he is easier to gimp.
_Phloat_
Smash Champion
DEMON SPAWN
*Throws Holy Water*
*Throws Holy Water*
PentaSalia
Smash Master
Snake i say is the worst ,you'll have to be really good to defeat a pro snake
itz hard:/
as for MK ,it's not a good match up,but it's not as bad as snake or marth IMO
anyway the tornado thing sounds interesting
i think i've been doing it already though lol
a vid would be nice if there is one
itz hard:/
as for MK ,it's not a good match up,but it's not as bad as snake or marth IMO
anyway the tornado thing sounds interesting
i think i've been doing it already though lol
a vid would be nice if there is one
Yeah really sorry about no vid yet. It's been difficult without someone to play as MK. Hopefully I'll have one up tonight. I found some cool timings with MK's side-B too.
Infinitysmash
Smash Champion
If it helps everyone any Zac does this to me all the time. It for sure works and it for sure makes me eat smash attacks all the time >.<"
Zac is also the best teams partner evar. Has he shown you guys the nonsense he pulled in teams against Lee Martin and UltimateRazer? He seriously saves me from a Snake up tilt at like 130% with his up air. Zac is bahroken~ <3
Zac is also the best teams partner evar. Has he shown you guys the nonsense he pulled in teams against Lee Martin and UltimateRazer? He seriously saves me from a Snake up tilt at like 130% with his up air. Zac is bahroken~ <3
Cyan_
Smash Lord
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Lol, yeah I saw that vid. It was amazing.
I tested this on my own and it works pretty well.
A few things I found:
As long as you up-b while you are within 2 character distances away and UNDER(you can be to the bottom left or right as well) the tornado you will make him rise and you will be chipped for 1% or just miss. Either way MK flys above you and it's easy to punish.
While you are on the ground if MK ever tornados your shield you can destroy him. Right as the tornado hitbox touchs your shield(you can up-b a tiny bit early to be safe) up-b and you will rise with MK while he is in his nado. Make sure and go straight up otherwise you might knock him out. MK will actually hit you out of your up-b stopping your momentum and giving you 1%, but putting you in perfect position to punish.
A few things I found:
As long as you up-b while you are within 2 character distances away and UNDER(you can be to the bottom left or right as well) the tornado you will make him rise and you will be chipped for 1% or just miss. Either way MK flys above you and it's easy to punish.
While you are on the ground if MK ever tornados your shield you can destroy him. Right as the tornado hitbox touchs your shield(you can up-b a tiny bit early to be safe) up-b and you will rise with MK while he is in his nado. Make sure and go straight up otherwise you might knock him out. MK will actually hit you out of your up-b stopping your momentum and giving you 1%, but putting you in perfect position to punish.
_Phloat_
Smash Champion
I like the MK vs GaW matchup. It really pisses me off, I mean, but sometimes it is fun. He has to outdamage you a fair amount if you can sweetspot your d-smash or land an u-smash at the right times.
Mr. Escalator
G&W Guru
I prefer the MK matchup to the Diddy, Marth, and Snake matchup, personally.
I hate the MK match-up and I often feel like there is almost nothing GW can do in it aside from gimmicks :/. That's probably a byproduct of playing with some of the best MK's in the nation though lol.
PentaSalia
Smash Master
lol so true....about that
Mk match up is hardx_X
the only way to get better against em is to simply keep on playing good MK's so ya know what to expect
D:
Mk match up is hardx_X
the only way to get better against em is to simply keep on playing good MK's so ya know what to expect
D:
Bnzaaa
Smash Ace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPWdxYNEcPg&feature=related
Around 2:19 or so Vex does it to the tornado.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJmzWFdfzgw
Around 1:41 it's done to the Drill Rush.
This should help.
Around 2:19 or so Vex does it to the tornado.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJmzWFdfzgw
Around 1:41 it's done to the Drill Rush.
This should help
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MyCurse4Life
Smash Ace
If up-b was a great counter for tornado than why don't I see people using G&W while fighting MK? I would if I new how to use him.
Noa.
Smash Master
Good videos. It was nice to see it actually in action.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPWdxYNEcPg&feature=related
Around 2:19 or so Vex does it to the tornado.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJmzWFdfzgw
Around 1:41 it's done to the Drill Rush.
This should help
Also, on an untirely unrelated note, your screen name has three As, but your sig has only two. Why is that?
omegablackmage
Certified Lion Rider
i think it helps vs mk, but certainly doesn't make it a neutral or matchup thats in favor of gw. It still sits around 6/4 for mk, it certainly isn't hopeless for gw, and he can def make it a winnable matchup
Because if you use G&W vs. MK and the MK knows about this, then why would MK ever use tornado against you? It just removes one of his moves, which honestly wasn't a threat to us to begin with.
The probably with MK lies in his Fsmash, UpB, and utilt.
In related news, my MK friend will be stopping by tonight. Hopefully i can convince him to help me record the findings from this thread. I'll post link in the OP when it's up.
Also, there's another cool trick that I don't think many G&W know about. It's very important. Helped me win a tournament because I didn't lose a stock otherwise. I'll make a new thread about it later, let the guesses begin!
PentaSalia
Smash Master
is it more bacon? lol
but yea
im pretty sure an MK player will know about it
besides,you have to do this during battle without having to think about doing it D:
it has to flow,like dodging lol
otherwise you die D:
Grey Belnades
The Imperial Aztec
awesome but i prefer using upB as an attack when i juggle my opponents
Videos uploading in the OP. Watch them =) I tried showing all angles of the UpB so you could get an idea of when it works and when it doesn't.
1nconspikuous
Smash Apprentice
yeah this vex guy does it all the time against MK. it seems like every time this MK uses a b-move vex upBs it or tries to. lol. lots of 'reference' in these three matches:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPWdxYNEcPg&feature=related
Around 2:19 or so Vex does it to the tornado.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJmzWFdfzgw
Around 1:41 it's done to the Drill Rush.
This should help
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyiP128--AY&feature=related
Noa.
Smash Master
Nice to see the videos up. Does this mean that when MK tries the Uair into tornado KO, that Upb might just kill him with you? Would this work as an effective counter to that combo of MK?
What I did in the bonus vid is quite difficult. I can't get UpB to work everytime while inside the tornado, but somehow I was able to execute it right as the last hit of the tornado hit me and popped me up into the blast zone.
Noa.
Smash Master
So it doesn't work everytime huh? Well, kudos for having it work in that match. It's really funny seeing MK go for the combo, and then you see that he also ends up dying.
Infinitysmash
Smash Champion
You should show them what happens when it goes wrong, like when we were on Pipes :D
_Kadaj_
Smash Hero
This has been known since like a week after the game came out.
PentaSalia
Smash Master
nice videos
but looks really difficult to do...lol on how you couldnt do it often
its very useful though
hmm nice
but looks really difficult to do...lol on how you couldnt do it often
its very useful though
hmm nice
It really is easy to do. The video was trying to show what happens when you do it at different angles. The spacing for it is quite tight. Also my friend is very used to me doing this to him, so he was always hesitant about approaching and kept messing up.nice videos
but looks really difficult to do...lol on how you couldnt do it often
its very useful though
hmm nice
Spend about 10-15min and you can get this down easy. The problem is you need a friend to help you learn, cause computers don't really do this.
PentaSalia
Smash Master
ahh now i see as the watch the video again
i shall try and see how it goes
i shall try and see how it goes
JustKindaBoredUKno
Smash Lord
god. this has been known for a long time, nothing new, this is basic info. and no, this doesn't effect the match up at all. maybe one in 14 tries you might get a hit on him. the rest of the time the MK will fast fall or DI away to a safe distance.
you know, its bad enough G&W really doesn't have any potential for any further AT advancement, but when you beat a dead horse like this, G&W will never go anywhere.
i understand this was done with good intentions in mind, but the G&W community needs to realize that in order to keep things moving, lets not worry about re-explanations and start worrying about new ideas.
you know, its bad enough G&W really doesn't have any potential for any further AT advancement, but when you beat a dead horse like this, G&W will never go anywhere.
i understand this was done with good intentions in mind, but the G&W community needs to realize that in order to keep things moving, lets not worry about re-explanations and start worrying about new ideas.