Kyari
Smash Lord
I thought most Snake players already had to recover high anyway due to the way his Up B works?
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MK Vs Snake - The 2 Tier Titans!
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Black_Heretic
Smash Lord
Aside from the fact that it goes really high, we also are usually trying to avoid the dreaded Cypher catch
Kyari
Smash Lord
Yep, that's what I thought too. And early spikes. So I don't see why the news of "recover high" seems new to anyone.
TKD
Smash Lord
In my opinion, MK and Snake are even against each other. Dedede beats Snake and Fox beats MK. They only have 1 bad matchup each. Snake has more even matchups though (if MK actually has any of those). So Snake doesn't outperform MK, but he's close.
NEW news!? Is that even possible?
Nic64
Smash Lord
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MK should out hit snake pretty comfortably, however. it's even IMO, snake does have a ridiculous ability to not die and can KO MK easily, but MK can pretty much dominate the fight to make up for that.
what? unless fox has some AT I don't know about where he destroys MK, this is definitely wrong. MK's probably my third or fourth best character and I can consistently beat a few people who have a similar relationship to fox...and on paper it appears like **** to me, the only thing I see fox having is that **** up smash which will KO a lightweight like MK way too early, but MK should be able to prevent getting hit by it most of the time and it's certainly no worse than how easy fox is to gimp. you sure you didn't mean snake? fox actually does pretty well against him, much better than MK IMO anyway
SwastikaPyle
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I think MK's specials are much better then Snake's can dream of being.
Except the drill rush.
brinboy789
Smash Champion
half of MK's special are amazing
the other half...suck.
snake:
grenades: do i have to explain?
nikita: not widely used, but i seeing it more and more used
cypher: heavy armor frames. above average recovery. not amazing though
C4: IMO best move. remote controlled mine, C4 recovery.
_Phloat_
Smash Champion
I actually agree with this. At least in the snake matchup. Shield dropped nades outdo the tornado. I would say that C4 is no where near as good as grenades, but they are both good. Cypher is not a great recovery at all, but it is attached to a character that doesn't mind damage as much as my main (GnW) so it works out very well for him. And nikita is ok, not a bad move but snake often has better options.
SwastikaPyle
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Snake has one awesome special, his grenades. His Nikita is easy as hell to dodge, same with his C4, and when you hear the whiiiir of his cypher it's like he's screaming, "GIMP ME, GIMP ME!"
MK only has one special that is bad, his drill rush, and even that is quite useful for recovery. His Dimensional Cape can give him an infinite lasting invincibility. I don't even have to explain about Shuttle Loop and Whorenado.
MK only has one special that is bad, his drill rush, and even that is quite useful for recovery. His Dimensional Cape can give him an infinite lasting invincibility. I don't even have to explain about Shuttle Loop and Whorenado.
brinboy789
Smash Champion
good snake players always use cypher all the way up to avoid gimping and the dreaded grab. nikita is bad, i agree, but i saw DSF use it a couple of times. grenades are awesome. C4 is dodgable (duh) but when your pressured, you often forget where it is. especially in stages with platforms, it goes through it. C4 can be coupled with dsmash for epic results
MK shuttle loop + tornado = amazing
drill rush sucks. the IDC is banned. it has only one use, mindgames. it can be used for recovery, but who would use it when you have shuttle loop?
TKD
Smash Lord
Changed my mind Snake's not even with MK, slightly disadvantaged I think. Only Fox, Wario maybe Sheik really. People were way off with Falco, the kongs and that stuff. Still, a lot more characters may have a winnable match vs mk than I expected at first. This is my last theory post thingie. I'll write up guides now.
Deoxys
Smash Lord
It was decided a while ago that Snake is slightly disadvantaged vs. MK. The tournament results bear witness to this fact, at least among the majority of players -- as more and more people went to MK, many of the ones who were really good and winning tournaments with Snake threw in the towel and switched as well. If Snake were even-advantaged against MK, I would have expected him to continue to be used more frequently in tournaments (And with so many MKs, to be winning them often).
TKD
Smash Lord
The "current metagame" is 95 noobs in 100-person tournaments lol...I believe he'll have lots of even matchups when people start playing top level. And those 3 do a bit better than Snake in the matchup.
$ick
Smash Lord
I hate playing Snakes almost as much as I hate doing mk dittos. Good thing I don't play Brawl too much ya know.
Ulevo
Smash Master
For anyone stating that Meta Knight has an advantage on Snake because he can "gimp" him, I suggest you all start learning how to DI properly and paying attention when you fight.
And TKD's match up statistics are more hilarious than Dane Cook ranting about his Burger King experiences. You're going to start writing guides about how Fox goes even with Meta Knight now are you? Or Sheik? I pitty the poor individual who takes your information seriously.
And TKD's match up statistics are more hilarious than Dane Cook ranting about his Burger King experiences. You're going to start writing guides about how Fox goes even with Meta Knight now are you? Or Sheik? I pitty the poor individual who takes your information seriously.
brinboy789
Smash Champion
tournament results mean nothing. if people were to win 50% of the time with falcon over MK, would you think its a favorable matchup? its theoretically not, but it doesnt actually define the match outcome.
nothing is more hilarious then dane cook ranting about anything :D
Infinitysmash
Smash Champion
Did anyone else stop reading right here?
No I stopped reading when TKD said Wario can go even with MK. He's said that before... He's no representative of my character... :/
brinboy789
Smash Champion
tournament resutls mean nothing to the actual matchup.
_Phloat_
Smash Champion
Tournament results mean something, but that is not what I am disputing.
When Louis C.K. Actually comes up with the material Dane uses, that is more hilarious.
Joke stealing *******, I hate that he presents it "better" by flailing around and screaming.