Mini Mafia

[Kantrip]

@MOD: If someone were to be reincarnated as scum, would they know their partner's identity?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Suicide was real.

....wow Kantrip....just what the ****.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Fynal and Kantrip are completely off the lynch pool unless we are 100% sure they turned into scum.

Pool is this:
J
Deitz
Soup

Will reread but thinking J or Deitz off my reread.

 

[Kantrip]

Next time I'll do it on you just because you asked for it.

Man this place has been conditioned to expect gambits far too much.

I think excluding Fynal and myself from the lynch pool just because we have already died is stupid. Sure, it means we weren't the original scum, but I know I'm certainly going to continue to look at Fynal as a distinct possibility.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I want the original so we get clears and then can pick from that pool of you and Fynal if it comes to that.

 

[Fynal]

I think excluding kantrip and myself from the lynch pool just because we have already died is stupid. Sure, it means we weren't the original scum, but I know I'm certainly going to continue to look at kantrip as a distinct possibility.

ditto, QFT. killing townies and having them revive as scum is how we get more scum in this game, barring crazy mafia converter PRs

kanty, will you support the lynching or souping of J with me?

 

[Fynal]

we do need to go after the origional though

worst comes to worst i guess kanty and i can be chain-lynched until we both come up town and town wins, but we're gonna have problems until we know who the original was

and i for one, think its J.

 

[Kantrip]

Actually, that does make sense.

One thing though: Lynching the same person over and over technically has no deficit to town. I see where you're coming from though Red Ruy, but I'd say leave options open even if we focus more on finding the OG.

@Fynal: The Souping of him if anything. Yeah, I think I'd be pretty down for that.

 

[Fynal]

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unvote, vote: Soup

two more votes, then J hammers. If he refuses, we lynch him.

 

[Kantrip]

J, why did you tell me to bomb Fynal when you did?

Vote: Soup

No one place the L-1 vote on until Soup gets in here and confirms.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Yeah let's waste my role once again, and look how well that worked out last time lmao

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

J isn't scum, and anyone going through with this is likely scum looking for a ****ty excuse to go through with it.

 

[Fynal]

Yeah let's waste my role once again, and look how well that worked out last time lmao

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[#HBC | ѕoup]

You were bombed, and you were town.

RR pushed Kantrip on his bomb claim thinking it was fake, he was also town.

Two townies died for no reason because of that mechanic bull****, and somehow JDietz was spared because of his role, which by the way, as i've said a thousand times, doesn't confirm alignment. Why are you doing this again?

 

[Fynal]

1. jdietz's role suggests to me that he's town, because that kind of a role on mafia doesn't fit. all they'd use it for is to lynchproof themselves, and to borked effect

2. I agree, soup, the bomb was a HUGE AND DANGEROUS WASTE

thats why I'm looking at J, who promoted it seemingly in contradiction to his previous statement.

soup are you the role you claimed or not? has all this "dont test roles" crap been because you're not?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Basically, all you're going to do is give scum more chance for someone to reincarnate as a negatownie, we shouldn't be wasting our time with this, unless you really think J is the Negatownie.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Yes, Fynal I am the role I claimed. All you're doing is wasting it at this point and it's not like you can even lynch me anyways, so don't say that I could be faking it.

 

[#HBC | J]

Vote: Red Ryu

Choo-Choo

 

[Kantrip]

I thought we were doing this because we thought J was the negatownie....

I don't like the town read Xonar had on me, and I don't like that J suddenly wanted me to bomb Fynal. I hate that I actually listened, but looking back now I'm questioning J's intent.

On that note, it wouldn't be wasting Soup's role. Since we already know about it, it's not going to take scum by surprise. If it's one-shot then confirming it while lynching our lynch target with it is its best use.

I doubt Jdietz has infinite uses of his ability. Therefore he is not cleared.

 

[Fynal]

SOUP,

I REALLY THINK J IS THE ORIGIONAL NEGATOWNIE

what THE HELL about ANYTHING i've said recently suggests otherwise!?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

1. jdietz's role suggests to me that he's town, because that kind of a role on mafia doesn't fit. all they'd use it for is to lynchproof themselves, and to borked effect

2. I agree, soup, the bomb was a HUGE AND DANGEROUS WASTE

thats why I'm looking at J, who promoted it seemingly in contradiction to his previous statement.

soup are you the role you claimed or not? has all this "dont test roles" crap been because you're not?

I'm lynchproof. Am I scum? Are you voting me because I am scum or because you want to waste my role to confirm it? You really think JDietz is town based on his role? That's bad logic like i've said many times over.

 

[Fynal]

i think dietz said his ability was 1shot

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

SOUP,

I REALLY THINK J IS THE ORIGIONAL NEGATOWNIE

what THE HELL about ANYTHING i've said recently suggests otherwise!?

So why not lynch him instead of playing this game like it's a mechanic shop? Because it isn't and I'm frustrated that we're going to do this again.

 

[Fynal]

soup, in my mind, basically all the (albiet unlikely) situations which involve you being scum involve you faking that role. So, if you are the scum, you die. if you aren't, scumJ dies. win-win.

 

[Kantrip]

Pretty damn sure both Soup and Jdietz' abilities are one-shot, yeah. Considering they are confirmable, they would have to be one-shot in order to not clear them for no reason.

Which means there is NO REASON why one of them can't be scum.

@Soup: What's the difference between lynching someone and having them hammer you? The fact that we waste your one-shot? What else do you want to use it for, now that it's outed? Only reason you have to be resisting this is that you're lying.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

What about Red Ryu or JDietz????????

 

[Fynal]

So why not lynch him instead of playing this game like it's a mechanic shop? Because it isn't and I'm frustrated that we're going to do this again.

i'm down for a standard lynch too. this is just safer, because it partially eliminates scumSoup. so we should do this.

 

[Kantrip]

What about them, Soup?

Out your reads list.

 

[Fynal]

What about Red Ryu or JDietz????????

my gut says RR is town. my logical facilities say dietz is town. my FREAKING EVERYTHING says J is scum.

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answer me this soup, when the hell would you use that ability if not now?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Kantrip, you're wasting my role for no reason and trying to use it as something to 'confirm' me, I'm being honest with you and you don't believe me, and I've been telling you I don't think J is scum either so that's not something I'm going to agree to.

 

[Kantrip]

Okay so which of RR and Jdietz do you think IS scum?

I like how me and Fynal are saying basically the same things.

 

[Kantrip]

The bottom line, Soup, is that I think your role is anti-town and I greatly dislike the fact that you planned on hiding it and didn't want to out it. What if you got lynched? The odds of the negatownie being the hammer are so much lower than the odds of you taking down a townie. What I want is for our next lynch to go through your ability. You have no reason to keep it active.

 

[Fynal]

kanty is getting at my 1389, which soup needs to answer.

your role, soup, provides no inherent benefit because everybody knows about it. so we may as well use it like this.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

What about them, Soup?

Out your reads list.

I don't like Fynal's re-entrance in this game and instantly going for his old read, it reeks to me like he got reincarnated as scum mostly because he is 1) starting to play more agressively and 2) pushing an old read without any backing of it while not considering Red Ryu or JDietz. His logic based on JDietz is poor and feels like an excuse, I don't think they're aligned but it's far too easy to clear someone based on a role, and this isn't something that Zen would do.

I don't like Red Ryu at all, his mechanic approach this game and relying on things to work out themselves without having any intention to actually scumhunt bothers me, I have yet to see him take an action that is relevant to scumhunting instead of testing roles, the least you did and what makes you different from RR is the fact you used mechanics as a means of scumhunting, and you had intention behind your actions.

I really doubt based on Xonar's play after looking at it again that he was scum, I felt that him asking for a mass-claim like that was scummy but after looking at what has happened recently, he was justified in his own way, we had a clash of differing opinions and his ragequit really doesn't seem like a scum giving up. Mostly J has been on the same page as me so this is another factor.

 

[Fynal]

SOUP

my 1389

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You're absolutely right, Kantrip. But you're using it as a means to lynch someone and not get tells out of people, you're basically giving scum an excuse to jump on me and say "well we're just testing mechanics." we get nothing out of this.

If you're still gun-ho about it, just get it over with so I can prove you wrong.

 

[Fynal]

2) pushing an old read without any backing of it while not considering Red Ryu or JDietz

WHAT

THE

****

are you ACTUALLY that dumb? have you read ANYTHING i've said, or are you just typing madly?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

my gut says RR is town. my logical facilities say dietz is town. my FREAKING EVERYTHING says J is scum.

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answer me this soup, when the hell would you use that ability if not now?

Never, it's a passive ability that only affects who hammers me, obviously scum isn't going to want to hammer me as they're afraid they would die, but the fact is you can't scumhunt on this if you're forcing someone to hammer me, the likability of getting Jscum out of this is absolutely zero.

 

[Kantrip]

No, this isn't to test it.

Think of it this way: We go about our gameplay as usual. When we decide we want to go through with a lynch, we do that. The way we do it, however, is by forcing our target to hammer you. This doesn't give scum any excuse or anything to hide behind, as we will make sure we have majority support for the decision as if it is a regular lynch. There is no negative to this from what I can see.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

WHAT

THE

****

are you ACTUALLY that dumb? have you read ANYTHING i've said, or are you just typing madly?

Well I certainly feel you're playing differently and you instantly getting hardcore defensive on me doesn't help, why the huge change in attitude? This isn't like you at all. I admit I haven't even read your case but it's likely not going to even change my mind.