Mini Mafia

[Omni]

I didn't say he was a bad player.
I do think it was a bad move for him to vote without any discussion.
Also, you didn't say anything about convincing a "good player". You just said convincing a player. Period.

Only one good player was convinced that I was scum. You were simply scum.

Like... all these holes in your argument? That's why it's so easy for me to catch you slippin' as scum.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

There's holes in your logic.

I was convinced that you're scum as I did not read my PM. I was scum hunting.
And the vote without discussion? What? What would you say at that point? You admit that everything you did up until that point wasn't convincing enough, in that case? Aka, horrible play?

And convincing baddies isn't an accomplishment. They tend to be pretty random. It's not weird to assume that convincing baddies should never be taken into consideration when looking at accomplishments.

Failing to convince another player of your ideals does not mean I played "horribly".

Failing to convince two GOOD other player of a scum read and failing to convince one of them that you are town is bad play.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I would drop it at this point if I were you, because you're making a fool out of yourself, haha.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Like... all these holes in your argument? That's why it's so easy for me to catch you slippin' as scum.

Omni, that is a TERRIBLE way to defend your position.

 

[#HBC | J]

Sign ups anyone?

Btw, talked with Zen and we are adding a rule to the rules of people having to confirm before the game begins. He didn't have it in there originally because he didn't think there would be a problem but hey that's what games like these are for, learning.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I do admit Omni, you had one good point against me, and that was when with the PM **** after the shot. I was basically trapped there.
The rest of your points... well, we all know what's up with those.

 

[Vinylic.]

Oh boy, game 5.

As it turns out, we only need two more.

 

[Omni]

There's holes in your logic.

I was convinced that you're scum as I did not read my PM. I was scum hunting.
And the vote without discussion? What? What would you say at that point? You admit that everything you did up until that point wasn't convincing enough, in that case? Aka, horrible play?

And convincing baddies isn't an accomplishment. They tend to be pretty random. It's not weird to assume that convincing baddies should never be taken into consideration when looking at accomplishments.

Failing to convince two GOOD other player of a scum read and failing to convince one of them that you are town is bad play.

If you were acting as town (which you weren't because you read your PM) then you would not have placed a vote on me. It would be a horrible town move to vote me in that situation where I simply applying pressure to you. I was no where near ending the game and you did, in fact, fold.

I didn't fail to convince "two GOOD other players". What second player was there? You? You want me to convince you that you are scum? What are you talking about?

There was plenty more to discuss with X12. If I were in his position why would I just vote? Moreso over, he didn't even give a reasoning as to why. "I feel Omni is more scum, although, I can see Xonar being scum." I mean... okay? What does that even mean? Where is the logic behind it? As a pivot, your goal is to try to make the intentions of the rest of the players clear. You could even seen he was unclear at one point when I made a point towards you and he misunderstood it.

Again, not saying X1 is a bad player, but his play towards the end of the game was mad sloppy.

I would drop it at this point if I were you, because you're making a fool out of yourself, haha.

*shakes head* Really wish more people would voice their opinion on the game.

I mean.... seriously... you made it through the game by responding to controversial points with:

*Shrug*
Welp.
I was tired.

That's some doodoo.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

If you were acting as town (which you weren't because you read your PM) then you would not have placed a vote on me. It would be a horrible town move to vote me in that situation where I simply applying pressure to you. I was no where near ending the game and you did, in fact, fold.

I didn't fold. I shot you. Because I felt that I had convinced X1 enough of your scum-being. How hard is that to comprehend?
It was simply a good moment to start working towards the end. I didn't fold, I went for the finishing blow.

I didn't fail to convince "two GOOD other players". What second player was there? You? You want me to convince you that you are scum? What are you talking about?

My bad. You failed to convince two GOOD players that you're town and you failed to convince one of them of your scum read.

There was plenty more to discuss with X12. If I were in his position why would I just vote? Moreso over, he didn't even give a reasoning as to why. "I feel Omni is more scum, although, I can see Xonar being scum." I mean... okay? What does that even mean? Where is the logic behind it? As a pivot, your goal is to try to make the intentions of the rest of the players clear. You could even seen he was unclear at one point when I made a point towards you and he misunderstood it.

Here's the issue though;
His goal is to kill the final scum. How he does that is up to him. He doesn't have to tell you his logic, because you aren't as relevant anymore. He can simply go through what happened and draw conclusions. He could've started the same arguments as I did and you would have him run in circles like you always do. Nothing gained.

I mean.... seriously... you made it through the game by responding to controversial points with:

*Shrug*
Welp.
I was tired.

That's some doodoo.

You let me get away with it
Your reaction to good points weren't all sunshine either.

 

[Omni]

I didn't fold. I shot you. Because I felt that I had convinced X1 enough of your scum-being. How hard is that to comprehend?
It was simply a good moment to start working towards the end. I didn't fold, I went for the finishing blow.

You felt you convinced X1? He was barely around saying anything of the sort. Lol.

My bad. You failed to convince two GOOD players that you're town and you failed to convince one of them of your scum read.

My brain. It hurts. You realize that if you're scum and you're playing "town scumhunter" that one or the other player HAS to fail because they can never succeed? It's not a matter of skill; it's a matter of inevitably.

Here's the issue though;
His goal is to kill the final scum. How he does that is up to him. He doesn't have to tell you his logic, because you aren't as relevant anymore. He can simply go through what happened and draw conclusions. He could've started the same arguments as I did and you would have him run in circles like you always do. Nothing gained.

No. Because as you read in his previous argument he misunderstood something that was said which changed the point entirely. It is poor play to gain pivot position and not utilize it properly.

You let me get away with it
Your reaction to good points weren't all sunshine either.

LOL.

I practically gave X1 an outline of all your scumminess and contradictions.

Unfortunately, we can't deduce how X1 came to think I was more scummier than you because *gasp* there were no explanations. You're trying to downplay my game so hard failing to acknowledge the fact that X1's town play was not up to par towards the end of the game.

 

[Vinylic.]

Man, you can just continue this on pm.

Why here?

 

[#HBC | J]

That's kind of the reason I made post 805 as a sort of nudge to get discussion away from cluttering the thread with this sort of thing.

 

[Omni]

o_o I was hoping more people would discuss the game. Wtf.

J, what was your view on it?

Edit: Nevermind. I'll just hold that L to my chest and grip it tightly.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

edit: ninja
sorry, but it's simply after-game discussion. I, too, want to hear more opinions. It's not weird. It's not out of place.

You felt you convinced X1? He was barely around saying anything of the sort. Lol.

Game feel, I guess? I don't know. His posts definitely read as more leaning your side.

My brain. It hurts. You realize that if you're scum and you're playing "town scumhunter" that one or the other player HAS to fail because they can never succeed? It's not a matter of skill; it's a matter of inevitably.

Wait, you're implying that I couldn't be killed because I didn't read my PM?
Because the underlined is vague. Who are you referring to here?

No. Because as you read in his previous argument he misunderstood something that was said which changed the point entirely. It is poor play to gain pivot position and not utilize it properly.

*shrug*
He decided to shoot for you because you were most scummy. He had enough confidence in it to shoot you without discussion. That goes to show that you did a bad job of looking town.

LOL.

I practically gave X1 an outline of all your scumminess and contradictions.

Unfortunately, we can't deduce how X1 came to think I was more scummier than you because *gasp* there were no explanations. You're trying to downplay my game so hard failing to acknowledge the fact that X1's town play was not up to par towards the end of the game.

Noooo, your play was not up to par the entire game, thus giving X1 enough confidence to shoot you without discussion. If you were more townie, he wouldn't even had to think.

 

[Omni]

Let's just stop here since it's obvious that we completely disagree with each other (always and forever).

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Nooooo, we were just narrowing down the points.

But whatever. I stand by the cold hard fact that you lost. Can't blame you entirely for it, as X1's read on me was wrong, but you are a large catalyst for the loss, like it or not.

 

[Omni]

That's fair. I still stand by the cold, hard fact that I both wrote and illustrated The Book of Xonar. <3

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Too bad you can't sell it to anyone

 

[Omni]

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

 

[BarDulL]

I'll /in for the next game.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Only posting this because you said you guys wanted opinions.

Read most of this, would've shot Omni about 72 hours ago, thought he was trying way too hard. Thought Xonar played well, though I might have caught more of the poor excuses if i'd been paaying attention. My final thoughts: Mafia isn't about logic, it's about the way you act, how well you read people, and reasoning. At the end of the day you have to convince other people, and logic is rarely enough for that.

I'd be up for playing a game but I don't think I'd take it seriously- depends how you guys feel about that? I'd still try and win but my methods might be suspect.

 

[Omni]

thought he was trying way too hard

Yikes. I'll try less harder the next game of mafia I'm in.

 

[#HBC | J]

Kary is that a deffo /in oooor no?

If yes, I can get roles out tonight.

Sign-ups for Game 6

1.) Vinyl
2.) Bardull
3.) (Kary?)

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Oh and J, about the whole PM ordeal, I really think that you trying to impede the way people play the game (within the rules, mind you) is absolute trash. No sorry coming from my side, because I wasn't doing anything wrong. That you personally disagree is fine, but that's no reason to react the way you did, you are the mod.

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh and J, about the whole PM ordeal, I really think that you trying to impede the way people play the game (within the rules, mind you) is absolute trash. No sorry coming from my side, because I wasn't doing anything wrong. That you personally disagree is fine, but that's no reason to react the way you did, you are the mod.

You were trying to break the game in your favor. Not a good spot to push with me considering my past exp. with modding and people trying to do that with my games which inevitably ruined how some players enjoyed the game.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I wasn't breaking anything. I was simply not reading my PM. I could've posted that I confirm'd (like a lot of games do, in thread not in PM) and still haven't read the role.

 

[X1-12]

^Yeah there aren't actually any rules for this game but I obviously didn't post my role PM or the like cause of the honour system, but rules like "you must read your role PM" aren't actually in most mafia games and most mods don't force you to do it so I didn't see it particularly to be a problem

Omni I was wrong based on everyone's play. My decision to not post reasoning isn't sloppy. It would have maybe gave you some more closure as you could argue post game that my end reasoning was wrong and thus feel better about yourself. But do you think if I posted it all and we had back and forth you'd have suddenly been more convincing than Xonie? I don't think so

My play was sloppy throughout (in that I didn't really contribute) but that's because I realised on about the second IRL day that Xonar and Omni would end up cross voting and essentially all I had to do was decide which one of them I was gonna kill when they did

 

[X1-12]

Also Kary you should /in. This is literally the perfect place to try out experimental play.

 

[#HBC | J]

I obviously didn't post my role PM or the like cause of the honour system

This is more so my thing because I consider it a thing of ethics and respect for the mod/players who have signed up for the game instead of just somewhat giving them all the middle finger and play that way.

 

[X1-12]

Completely missed my point - its not like he broke a rule which is common place in all mafia games. Its in probably less than one tenth of them so I don't see why its a problem

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

This is more so my thing because I consider it a thing of ethics and respect for the mod/players who have signed up for the game instead of just somewhat giving them all the middle finger and play that way.

Missing the point.

ninja

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

My play was sloppy throughout (in that I didn't really contribute) but that's because I realised on about the second IRL day that Xonar and Omni would end up cross voting and essentially all I had to do was decide which one of them I was gonna kill when they did

Eeeeyup.
I didn't focus on you at all. I literally never shot you one question, and I never bothered with reading your alignment. The only things towards you that I did is
1. Tailor my posts to appeal to you more (which you caught, bravo)
2. Answer your questions

I figured the fact that I wasn't trying too hard to convince you would make you think more townly of me, so I went with the covert route. Interesting results. Would you have noticed in a larger game?

All in all, your play wasn't sloppy, you did what you had to, discern alignment between me and Omni. The judgment was wrong but not sloppy.

Also Kary you should /in. This is literally the perfect place to try out experimental play.

Yep
Or you're me and almost every game is an experimental game.

 

[#HBC | J]

Haha guess I feel something different that others don't. =P

Oh wellz, I'm gonna try and not let my own views in modding terms get in the way of this thing.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

but you already did

 

[#HBC | J]

Haha it was a learning experience for me as well. I do realize in retrospect I did make a mod error so I do apologize for that and probably should have dealt with that situation differently because I have never been faced with that before nor did I know what to do with being thrown in as a replacee mod. =P

 

[X1-12]

I figured the fact that I wasn't trying too hard to convince you would make you think more townly of me, so I went with the covert route. Interesting results. Would you have noticed in a larger game?

lol no chance in hell

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

lol no chance in hell

Sexy. Legit.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Yikes. I'll try less harder the next game of mafia I'm in.

On one hand you might be right. But then there's this:

I figured the fact that I wasn't trying too hard to convince you would make you think more townly of me, so I went with the covert route. Interesting results.

and @J Yeah go on, I don't imagine Bardull or Vinyl will mind if I'm a bit off-key as long as I'm up front with it.

 

[#HBC | J]

Alriiiiiiiight and with Kary, that makes 3!

I'll be starting up the game shortly so check your PMs soon. ^^