Mini Mafia

[#HBC | Kary]

I said in #863 I had a plan, my plan was to act null to get reads on you two. Of course my read on Vinyl was BS, that's the point. You can say I'm backpedalling, but I think it makes perfect sense.

I already gave you an opportunity to shoot me and you didn't take it. I'm still thinking about what that means for your play. If you want to shoot me now then I can't stop you, but I'm telling you now, I'm town. If you'd wait for my reads maybe you'd gain something from all this, I don't know.

 

[BarDulL]

You never "gave me an opportunity." I could shoot you right now if I knew for sure you were scum. But there is lingering doubt that you may actually have a brain and everything you've spewed thus far regarding your "plan" is true. Me telling you that I was going to shoot you, and asking if you had any last words, was to reaction test you, which you failed horribly at because you tried asking me to shoot Vinyl when things were looking dim for you. Then you backpedaled out and said that was your plan.

You're not out of the corner, and I'm not letting you out of the corner until you post your case on myself and Vinyl. But I don't want you posting your case until Vinyl posts his thoughts on you.

@Vinyl - Where's your head at? Do you still think I'm Town? If so, convince me that you're Town and that Kary is scum.

 

[BarDulL]

Also, I'm going to the laundry, so I'll be back around 8:30 PST.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

You're not out of the corner, and I'm not letting you out of the corner until you post your case on myself and Vinyl. But I don't want you posting your case until Vinyl posts his thoughts on you.

Fine by me. I'm off to sleep (2.26 am). See you tomorrow.

 

[Vinylic.]

@Vinyl - Where's your head at? Do you still think I'm Town? If so, convince me that you're Town and that Kary is scum.

I do still think that your town, but the game started, so ima keep and eye on both or you guys.

Also

[COLLAPSE="Why Kary is scum"]

[COLLAPSE="Vinyl"]

[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="Kary"]

[/COLLAPSE][/COLLAPSE]

 

[BarDulL]

Vinyl, go further in depth with your town read/scum read por favor.

 

[BarDulL]

I get the whole "Kary is a nazi" and you're some cool anime youngster, but put it into words for me.

 

[Vinylic.]

Well.

I believe he is town purely because in his first post, he ignored the question in my first post.

I told Vinyl to vote for you because I believe he's town.

I believe he is town purely because in his first post, he ignored the question in my first post.

Bardull, I'm town. Please shoot Vinyl.

Bardull, if you are going to shoot me I'd prefer that you do it now. Otherwise please shoot Vinyl.

Lol.

I said in #863 I had a plan, my plan was to act null to get reads on you two. Of course my read on Vinyl was BS, that's the point. You can say I'm backpedalling, but I think it makes perfect sense.

I already gave you an opportunity to shoot me and you didn't take it. I'm still thinking about what that means for your play. If you want to shoot me now then I can't stop you, but I'm telling you now, I'm town. If you'd wait for my reads maybe you'd gain something from all this, I don't know.

So he had a plan and thought you would know what he's trying to do. And apparently, you didn't so that's one odd plan out.
And if you look at the white text, he says he thinks, and honestly he doesn't know.



This sounds like a weak, frail reason, but I'll find up another reason.
Except that this is the only reason I can think of, lol.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Bardull please don't reply to this until Vynil does so.

Vynil, do you think it's weird that Bardull only ever asks you for reads?

I think it's weird, because it's as though he's not interested in questioning you, he just wants to know what your thoughts are on me.
To me this suggests that he may already know you're town, and is just trying to check that you're ok with shooting me.

Vynil, do you also think it's weird that Bardull said he was going to shoot me, and that he had a firm scum read on me, when the game has only really just started?

I don't think it's fair to have a scum read on me based on my play so far- I thought it was more obvious that I was messing about.
He says he threatened to shoot me 'as a test' but I don't think that really answers whether I am town or scum, I think he is trying to get me to incriminate myself.

Thanks Vinyl.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

EBWOP: I get your name right in the end, Vinyl. My apologies!

 

[Vinylic.]

I don't really see it as weird, but I see where you're getting at.

Also, LOL. What'd you expect? You did some kind of weird plan that weirded him and me.
The odd simplicity is what makes you get some sort of scumread.

While, I, just think you're being like this dude.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Sorry, but could you explain to me who that dude is? Because I have no idea.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Right, get it now. Thought that might have been Steve Martin, was.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Vinyl, if you had to shoot one of us right now, who would it be?

 

[Vinylic.]

None. Because if one of you are scum, that game would be over.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Vinyl, that's only true if you happen to shoot someone who's town.

Who would you rather shoot right now, or, which of Bardull and I do you have a stronger scum read on?

 

[Vinylic.]

I'd say both of you seem sorta null.

And I still wouldn't shoot both of you It's been one and a half page since this game started.
I don't expect anyone to shoot anyone that early.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Bardull, any questions before I shoot Vinyl?

Vinyl, any questions before I shoot you?

 

[Vinylic.]

Can I shoot you since you're going to shoot me? So that way, bardull can be the only who decides to shoot which?

Am I good troll?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Of course you can shoot me if you so desire... that's the way the game works.

No, not really.

Unless you have any further questions, I'm just waiting on Bardull until I shoot you.

 

[BarDulL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkK0z2ALU_4

 

[BarDulL]

^My thoughts after reading everything that has been said.

Man, both of you are screaming scum at me. T_T

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Bardull, seriously, any questions before I shoot Vinyl?

Last chance for both of you.

 

[BarDulL]

Bardull please don't reply to this until Vynil does so.

Vynil, do you think it's weird that Bardull only ever asks you for reads?

I think it's weird, because it's as though he's not interested in questioning you, he just wants to know what your thoughts are on me.
To me this suggests that he may already know you're town, and is just trying to check that you're ok with shooting me.

This is odd because it's an attempt to pull Vinyl over to your side. But this would imply that you know what alignment Vinyl is, right? Why are you trying to convince Vinyl?

By the way, I don't usually interfere with lines of questioning unless I absolutely must.

Anywho, me asking Vinyl for reads IS NOT an implication that I believe Vinyl is Town or Scum. I ask players who are hard to read what their reads are to see if their reads match up with mine, and I ask them to go further in depth to verify the legitimacy of their read. Asking someone for reads can be townie or nullish depending on the situation. It's rarely scummy if not never scummy.

Which begs the question, where the hell are you coming up with these conclusions? I've been trying to get a read on both of you since the start. All you've really been trying to do this game is appeal to Vinyl. You've told Vinyl to shoot me, and you just recently tried convincing Vinyl that I'm scum. Heck, you haven't asked me any questions yet aside from "Are you scum?"

Vynil, do you also think it's weird that Bardull said he was going to shoot me, and that he had a firm scum read on me, when the game has only really just started?

I don't think it's fair to have a scum read on me based on my play so far- I thought it was more obvious that I was messing about.
He says he threatened to shoot me 'as a test' but I don't think that really answers whether I am town or scum, I think he is trying to get me to incriminate myself.

Thanks Vinyl.[/QUOTE]

It wasn't obvious that you were messing around. In fact, I don't think you were. Your play hasn't really changed at all since the beginning. I also have a big problem with your play so far since it wasn't really "null" in the first place.

 

[BarDulL]

Aw ****, messed up my quote tags.

EBWOP:

Bardull please don't reply to this until Vynil does so.

Vynil, do you think it's weird that Bardull only ever asks you for reads?

I think it's weird, because it's as though he's not interested in questioning you, he just wants to know what your thoughts are on me.
To me this suggests that he may already know you're town, and is just trying to check that you're ok with shooting me.

This is odd because it's an attempt to pull Vinyl over to your side. But this would imply that you know what alignment Vinyl is, right? Why are you trying to convince Vinyl?

By the way, I don't usually interfere with lines of questioning unless I absolutely must.

Anywho, me asking Vinyl for reads IS NOT an implication that I believe Vinyl is Town or Scum. I ask players who are hard to read what their reads are to see if their reads match up with mine, and I ask them to go further in depth to verify the legitimacy of their read. Asking someone for reads can be townie or nullish depending on the situation. It's rarely scummy if not never scummy.

Which begs the question, where the hell are you coming up with these conclusions? I've been trying to get a read on both of you since the start. All you've really been trying to do this game is appeal to Vinyl. You've told Vinyl to shoot me, and you just recently tried convincing Vinyl that I'm scum. Heck, you haven't asked me any questions yet aside from "Are you scum?"

Vynil, do you also think it's weird that Bardull said he was going to shoot me, and that he had a firm scum read on me, when the game has only really just started?

I don't think it's fair to have a scum read on me based on my play so far- I thought it was more obvious that I was messing about.
He says he threatened to shoot me 'as a test' but I don't think that really answers whether I am town or scum, I think he is trying to get me to incriminate myself.

Thanks Vinyl.

It wasn't obvious that you were messing around. In fact, I don't think you were. Your play hasn't really changed at all since the beginning. I also have a big problem with your play so far since it wasn't really "null" in the first place.

 

[BarDulL]

I'd say both of you seem sorta null.

And I still wouldn't shoot both of you It's been one and a half page since this game started.
I don't expect anyone to shoot anyone that early.

Vinyl, I thought you had a town read on me. When did I become null? o.O

 

[BarDulL]

Can I shoot you since you're going to shoot me? So that way, bardull can be the only who decides to shoot which?

Am I good troll?

You say I'm null, but then you're willing to trade shots with Kary? What if I'm scum?

 

[BarDulL]

Bardull, seriously, any questions before I shoot Vinyl?

Last chance for both of you.

I'm beyond your ultimatums. My only question for you here is what has you convinced that Vinyl is scum? You're the most swingy player I've ever met EVER. It seems like you don't think you have a chance of convincing Vinyl that I'm scum, so you're willing to settle for a shot between yourself and Vinyl. You realize how scummy this is, right?

 

[Vinylic.]

@bar: You became null because I can't make up my mind on what the hell kary's trying to do here, lol.

 

[Vinylic.]

You know what.

FoS: Kary

 

[BarDulL]

Vinyl, you should still answer my #908.

 

[Vinylic.]

Which one?

The question that says what gets me convinced that I'm scum?
Or is it the other that say how scummy it is?

 

[BarDulL]

You say I'm null, but then you're willing to trade shots with Kary? What if I'm scum?

This one. Basically, you told Kary that you were willing to shoot him after he shoots you, subsequently making me the sole decider. BUT you said earlier that you had me and him as null, so why are you content with Kary shooting you and you shooting Kary if I COULD be scum from your point of view?

 

[Vinylic.]

I never said you could be scum, I just said both are sorta null.
I never said I was willing to shoot him, I asked if I can shoot him.

Not to mention that "am I good troll" sentence would usually mean that I might not even do it.
Also, I should've added in that you'd be like, semi-null or something and Kary would be dumb null.

Now my question is to you, are you scum?

 

[BarDulL]

I never said you could be scum, I just said both are sorta null.
I never said I was willing to shoot him, I asked if I can shoot him.

Not to mention that "am I good troll" sentence would usually mean that I might not even do it.
Also, I should've added in that you'd be like, semi-null or something and Kary would be dumb null.

Now my question is to you, are you scum?

Well, saying we're both null is an implication that there is a possibility that either of us could be scum from your point of view.

The problem I have is that you said myself and Kary were both null, but then you said you'd be willing to trade shots with Kary. Your response was that you were joking though. I wasn't sure because of the "am I good troll" statement you made. I was like....wat o.O;. But ok, makes sense to me.

Nope, I'm as townie as can be. I've pretty much been trying to get a feel for both of you all game. I'm still mulling over a couple things though.

Curiously, what caused you to make your FoS on Kary?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

This is odd because it's an attempt to pull Vinyl over to your side. But this would imply that you know what alignment Vinyl is, right? Why are you trying to convince Vinyl?

I asked a couple of VERY loaded questions to Vinyl on purpose, to see how he'd react; for instance I know that you asking for reads is null.
But his answers were basically so wishy-washy, despite the questions being really biased. He didn't strongly agree or disagree with me, nor ask my why I was asking those questions. This more or less confirmed my suspicion of him.
Also, I knew this was going to make me look bad.

Which begs the question, where the hell are you coming up with these conclusions?

So yeah, the points against you in #889 were basically made up, just drawing reachy conclusions from your play style.
Other than that, I'm just reading you as town right now.

I'm beyond your ultimatums. My only question for you here is what has you convinced that Vinyl is scum? You're the most swingy player I've ever met EVER. It seems like you don't think you have a chance of convincing Vinyl that I'm scum, so you're willing to settle for a shot between yourself and Vinyl. You realize how scummy this is, right?

I'm feeling Vinyl being scum mostly on the basis of you being town, and his complete lack of commitment to anything. I'm feeling you're town because you haven't shot me, and your rage at my play seems genuine town frustration, rather than an appeal to Vinyl.

I realise it's pretty scummy. But I don't need to convince you until after I've shot Vinyl- and I think I can do that.

So I'm going to shoot Vinyl unless you've anything else.

 

[BarDulL]

Kary, why haven't you tried asking me loaded questions or try reaction testing me? Why only try to "reaction test" Vinyl.?

Frankly, you weave a compelling tale, but I'm seriously not sold on it whatsoever.

 

[BarDulL]

Regardless of how you answer that question, I'm Town. You shooting Vinyl will put Town one step further, so in that regard I'm fine, but I have every intention of shooting you tonight unless there's something crazy that happens during my reread, but I don't see it happening.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Kary, why haven't you tried asking me loaded questions or try reaction testing me? Why only try to "reaction test" Vinyl.?

Frankly, you weave a compelling tale, but I'm seriously not sold on it whatsoever.

Because you weren't nearly as null as Vinyl was.
I tested your reactions pretty well when I said 'Bardull please shoot Vinyl'

My next post I'm shooting Vinyl and explaining why you should shoot him too, Bardull.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

EBWOP: no wait, that's dumb

I'm going to shoot Vinyl now and make a case for him being scum in a bit, because in the unlikely event you're scum, that's game over, and I don't want to make a case for nothing.