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#HBC | ZoZo

Shocodoro Blagshidect
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Since votes are set;

Jdietz, consider a 12 player game
every person only says "I'm a townie"
exact same happens.

You've played this game wrong. If you win/Bardull loses, it is none of your doing. Yes, this game has the possibility of being more random.

You're bad at this.
 

Jdietz43

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Lol. I don't think you guys understand this game very well. In a 12 player game there's 12 different people who always say Townie too. That's Day 1 Mafia all day every day.

Welcome to the game. There's no reason for me to say anything different. 50/50 is the best outcome you can go with, so you keep that. If anyone wants the full dissertation feel free to poll me. Otherwise I'm all up for another round.
 

#HBC | ZoZo

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You don't seem to grasp the concept.

In normal mafia, people try to exit the "I am Townie" stage with RVS and suspicion afterwards, to advance the game. This is a pro-town thing to do. You, however, decided to stick in the pre-RVS stage (yes, even more primitive than RVS) and kept the game at an absolute standstill. If anything, you are likely a Frownie who is scared of getting read.
 

Jdietz43

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Game already finished Xonar. I don't know if you knew this: but that's all this game will ever be. There are no other things to gauge people on in this game as there's no after-game after the first vote. There's also absolutely no reason for me to try and convince BarDulL that I'm anyone but a Townie, and using more words than necessary is just wasting both of our time. I could sweet talk him all day and at the end he still has to vote one of two ways regarding me, even if I've done the most amazing song and dance number known to mankind and gave the man a kidney he can still go "But maybe he's just a Frownie tryin' real hard" and vote Frownie anyways.

Literally the only reason I didn't immediately vote BardulL as Frownie the second the game starts as a Townie is because eventually I may become a Frownie myself, who wouldn't want to have a vote yet.

If you haven't grasped this yet: If you're a Townie: your mathematically best chance to win is to vote them Frownie, as if they are you win, and if they aren't you lose. If they're a Townie, they still have to vote you a Townie in order for you both to win, which leaves the odds still at 50/50 but with a doubt factor in the way that you have no control over them or their logic (plus it gives them a chance to win while you can't, and makes the game take longer). I.e. first they have to actually BE Townie, and then they have to use their own 50/50 vote to also claim you're Townie rather than Frownie. In a certain perspective this means voting them Townie lessens your chances to 25% if they don't understand this.

As a Frownie: there's no reason not to simply wait for their choice as yours doesn't matter. And for appearance's sake you'll be doing the exact same thing if you were to roll Townie to protect future investments.


Game over. Want to try again?
Mafia is fun because there's a portion after the first rounds of guessing games where roles such as the Doctor and Cop come into play, and you have previous actions to base educated guesses on rather than pure math. This has neither of those things. There's no reason for him to think I'm lying when I tell him I'm Townie, and there's also no reason to think I'm telling the truth either. And there never will be. The only influence is his own distrust of human beings in general, therefore I'm just as amazing as the Dummy player. Really the only reason I post AT ALL is to let you know I'm still here.


In other other words: I'm already playing at the top of my game. And at the top of the metagame.
 

th3kuzinator

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if you're going to such lengths to bash the nature of this setup, you should at least have the decency not to blatantly break the rules.

you voted for player X in 33 and quickedited it out just to continue the game and keep up your pompous facade. you knew that votes were permanent, so why did you place yours just to illegally change it if that's all this game will ever be.
 

#HBC | ZoZo

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Game already finished Xonar. I don't know if you knew this: but that's all this game will ever be. There are no other things to gauge people on in this game as there's no after-game after the first vote. There's also absolutely no reason for me to try and convince BarDulL that I'm anyone but a Townie, and using more words than necessary is just wasting both of our time. I could sweet talk him all day and at the end he still has to vote one of two ways regarding me, even if I've done the most amazing song and dance number known to mankind and gave the man a kidney he can still go "But maybe he's just a Frownie tryin' real hard" and vote Frownie anyways.
You say that there being no period after a vote means that there are no other things.
You additionally say that there is no reason to convince Bardull that you're anything but a townie, thus you use only few words.
Then you say that he can still think you're a Frownie regardless.

Are you JOKING here?

Like Bardull correctly stated, in Mafia you gain trust and all that stuff. There are definitely things to gauge, and if you can't, then I advice you join actual forum mafia games to learn how.

Your other two points also apply to other games. There's never a reason to convince that you're anything but town. Someone can always call you Frownie regardless of your efforts. Circular and non-progressive logic here. Once again, Frownie logic.

Literally the only reason I didn't immediately vote BardulL as Frownie the second the game starts as a Townie is because eventually I may become a Frownie myself, who wouldn't want to have a vote yet.
So you're not playing to your win condition. It is your job to figure out who the Frownie is, if you want to do that by chance, sure, but that is anti-town. You completely disregard all the fundamental mafia skills.

If you haven't grasped this yet: If you're a Townie: your mathematically best chance to win is to vote them Frownie, as if they are you win, and if they aren't you lose. If they're a Townie, they still have to vote you a Townie in order for you both to win, which leaves the odds still at 50/50 but with a doubt factor in the way that you have no control over them or their logic (plus it gives them a chance to win while you can't, and makes the game take longer). I.e. first they have to actually BE Townie, and then they have to use their own 50/50 vote to also claim you're Townie rather than Frownie. In a certain perspective this means voting them Townie lessens your chances to 25% if they don't understand this.
And a good read can change chances up to 99% :) Get better at forum mafia.

As a Frownie: there's no reason not to simply wait for their choice as yours doesn't matter. And for appearance's sake you'll be doing the exact same thing if you were to roll Townie to protect future investments.
*shrug*

Game over. Want to try again?
Mafia is fun because there's a portion after the first rounds of guessing games where roles such as the Doctor and Cop come into play, and you have previous actions to base educated guesses on rather than pure math. This has neither of those things. There's no reason for him to think I'm lying when I tell him I'm Townie, and there's also no reason to think I'm telling the truth either. And there never will be.
Hahahaha. Follow the Doc/Cop, are you from EpicMafia by accident?

You completely misunderstand mafia. I suggest you try these things called reading and educated guesses. Trust and honesty are others that you might want to look in to.
 

#HBC | ZoZo

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if you're going to such lengths to bash the nature of this setup, you should at least have the decency not to blatantly break the rules.

you voted for player X in 33 and quickedited it out just to continue the game and keep up your pompous facade. you knew that votes were permanent, so why did you place yours just to illegally change it if that's all this game will ever be.
Yeah I was reading back and remember a vote. Weird.
 

Jdietz43

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I'm not bashing the setup, I'm just playing the game how I know best. I dissected it and then chose the best option to give me a chance to win (and even had fun doing it... though mostly the dissecting part since as you're no doubt aware my actual 'playstyle' is very dull to watch) If I wanted to I could certainly take the time to become buddy buddy with BarDulL to "convince" him I'm Townie. But he also has 100% no reason not to believe what I said first thing, nor would he have a reason to believe my chatting. After all: I was a Townie.

Yeah I voted him as Frownie awhile back (as in, I said "Vote: Player X Townie"), but then I realized if I actually DID play another round I'd be giving myself an obvious tell if I was Frownie and didn't immediately vote, it would make me out of character. Since I was in fact playing the game (and could very well still play another round) I didn't want to give myself away at a later date (though on the other hand now that I figured that out it probably wouldn't have mattered past the second game) Didn't change the outcome one bit though, I would have still voted him Frownie and Player X as Townie no matter what he said and fully intended to. I was simply waiting for him to vote first before making my pre-determined choice.
 

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No reason to Xonar. There's not an after game to use my trust for. It'd be creating a nice facade that would remain the same forever since even if I played again I would be simply attempting to act the same way to avoid mistrust from personally slipping up. Simply saying a phrase is impossible to screw up, if I'm going to have a facade it might as well be one I can always maintain at 100%.

Certainly this game he would be put off by my 'strange' lack of attempt to communicate with him, but I guarantee you if we had a round 2 he'd be more inclined to not assume that me simply saying "I'm a Townie" is an incredibly bad Frownie routine and at least flip a coin.

Really you're only disappointed because my metagame didn't involve scrawling words and winking. I'm playing this game the same way you're claiming I should, but faster.

EDIT: I don't want you guys to think I'm a ****, I'm really not trying to be. It's just by nature this is a very simple game. I'm still going to watch some of the other games with interest to see if they can pull off some trust magic, but that isn't my style. Just remember if/when you play or watch another round that unless I'm mistaken, they're still no farther from the metagame I presented through talking to each other.
 

#HBC | ZoZo

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No you're not, but my observation is that you lack experience. Take that however you want, I feel like you're making me run in circles and you're not even aware of it.
 

Jdietz43

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I think you're just making yourself run circles for the most part. I just cut out the circle before I played was all. I suppose we'll simply see if you feel that way when everything is said and done and people have gotten a chance to give it a try with normal mafia behavior rather than math. But in theory no amount of conversing between equal players will amount to anything greater than the algorithm I already pointed at for my own play as there's still only 3 possible gamestates and no amount of chat can change that. Unlike in normal Mafia where you can use your influence and trust to actually shift gamestate down the road.

EDIT: As is for this game the best thing you can do as I see it is simply NOT make a mistake. And the best way I can think of to do that is to basically not give them anything to work with. If they decide to give you something to go on then that's their loss, and if they make a big blunder then great. But by not giving them the same privilege you're just playing the game. (however don't trick yourself into believing that your chances are ever more than 50/50 either way as anyone can say whatever) In normal mafia this would be considered a terrible strat because at some point you'd be called out for being too inactive and quiet, and therefore not helping the town out in their decisions. But in this one on one game, there's only ever going to be one vote, and yours has more importance then theirs does rather than vice versa in a multiple person vote scenario. (I suspect this is why Evil Eye came in here and mouthed off rather rudely, then gave specifically me luck (lol) before leaving, and I would have simply left too but I felt like actually playing and chatting a bit)
 

Axel

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Final Vote Count

Bardull Votes [pew pew] Jdietz
Jdietz Votes [ಠ_ಠ] Bardull


Bardull and Jdietz, Townie, kill eachother in end game.
Player X, Frownie, wins in the longest endgame of all time!


Game 1 ends! Game 2 (Jdietz & Omni) will begin shortly.

Bardull you're added.
J you're added.
Xonar I put you down vs Bardull.
Soup you're added.
Kantrip added.

Rather than requesting specific players, you guys are welcome to request a specific game (Ex: In for game 6).

Jdietz I'll give you two more games. The max a person can sign up for in a row will be set to 3 for time being. If it becomes a problem at all, I will lower it in the future.
 

#HBC | Acrostic

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Jdietz, I have days where I concur with what you're saying.

However, those are days when I'm not playing mafia.
 

Axel

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Hm Jdietz I feel you're not understanding the game fully.
If you're a Townie: your mathematically best chance to win is to vote them Frownie, as if they are you win, and if they aren't you lose.
When you vote, all you have to day is Vote: "Player Name" or Vote: Player X

Ex: Vote: Bardull

You vote for whichever you believe to be the frownie. You don't have to say whether or not you think the person you're voting is frownie or townie. You never vote the slot you think is townie, only frownie.


If they're a Townie, they still have to vote you a Townie in order for you both to win
If you vote the townie slot (and you are townie as well), there's no way you can win from there.

Say Bardull is Townie and you're Townie. The only way you guys can win is if you guys both vote player X. If you vote Bardull and he votes Player X, you guys both lose. Now say Bardull is Frownie and you are townie. If you vote Player x, you will lose. The only way you can win is by voting the Frownie. Say Bardull is townie and you are frownie. The only way you can win is if Bardull votes Player X. You dig?
 

#HBC | J

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Xonar vs. J would be fun.

He's going to win if we are opposite alignments but it'd be a fun one-on-one battle regardless! xD
 

Jdietz43

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Yeah, don't worry: I understand the game. It's just semantics. I just assumed when you explicitly said both "Vote: Player X" and "Vote: Player 1" that I'd be prefacing my votes as to whether they were a vote for good or bad. No biggie. Hey maybe I'll even actually talk to someone in Game 3 just for the heck of it (because let's face it: that's more fun anyways)


Also: Let Round 2 BEGIN!:


Hi Omni. I'm a Townie.
 

Omni

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wait i dont want to play this guy. he's trash

v/la until replacement

no offense. just dont like how u came into the first game. would rather have another opponent
 

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Either gotta play it out or replace. I can put you up for game 6 against Kantrip, and Soup can take your spot this game if you want.
 

Omni

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meh ok.

hi, jdietz. i'm townie, too. and since im townie and i dont know your town play i dont trust u right now.
 

Omni

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i actually dont see any kind of profit in talking with you based off your previous game and previous post.

if your town and u vote me, we lose.
if ur scum, i'll figure it out and i'll win.

that simple
 

Omni

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that said do u actually want to try and play and talk or are u going to be a wall
 

Jdietz43

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Cool, I'm a Townie too.


(I'll be doing my shtick for another game to see how it pans out... I'll actually talk to whoever ends up playing me game 3 tho... sorry that's just the luck of your draw)
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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Hi.

Why should I believe you?

You have done nothing to make believe that you are a townie, and in mafia your word is cheap unless you can convince me otherwise.

Prove to me that you're town.
 
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