Mini Mafia

[BarDulL]

Hey bros.

I'm Town too, Swords. Want to hold hands and kill of Ran right now? Saves us and Ran the trouble, knowhatimean?

Oh, this is a funny piece. I actually claimed I was town here, so I have no clue why people were asking me why I didn't answer "I am Town," or thought I was scared or whatever.

 

[ranmaru]

Oh, sorry, was in a rush when I made that post.

Swords...ehhhhhhhh let me look. I had the impression that he tried to feel you up a bit. It wasn't much, but it was a decent FoS.

Nah, that wasn't him feeling up on me. That was him just R'FSING like you coined it. Even upon entering I FOS'D Swords back with OMGUS so obviously you weren't thinking in terms of those anyways.

The type of 'feeling up' I'm talkin' bout is Swords questions to you like "Are you scum, Bardull?"

That type of feel would require me to be in the thread, or require me having posted at first. Of course, at the time I could only get a feel on you since you were there and posted recently, not Swords. Ya... feel me bro?

So you saying that seemed like you were focused with a... one track mind, and were trying to make me seem like I was the one trying to focus on you ONLY BECAUSE I WANTED TO. But I didn't even have the chance to interact with Swords. This is the only thing I don't like about ya. Ya... feel me bro?

Also keep in mind you and I post a bit more than Swords, so there is more of a chance of us interacting then with him. Luckily you were able to in RFS as coined by you.. and I wasn't. Oh well.

The only thing I dislike about Swords is his question to me about my question to you implying that I had a suspicion about it... When I never stated that. He accused you of being scum for not coming to the conclusion of what he thought a townie would do, and wasn't looking at your whole play. Just your reactions to his questions.

Thoughts on this?

 

[BarDulL]

Alright, so you actually hadn't spoken up while Swords was around, so it isn't necessarily fair to say that he wasn't trying to test you out. Then you posted. You mostly threw your support behinds Swords and pretty much did not question him, his methods, or his logic. Here's an example post of that:

FOS: SWORDS CUZ OMGUS!

I really laughed out loud when I saw a FOS RAN and I'm like.... wtf?!?!?!?! Why am I getting FOS'D WHEN I NEVER SIGNED UP??? xDDDD

It's all good tho. I'm ready to roll.

I like this. It shows you were trying to put Bardull on the spot to see if he would committ to his own proposal. (Like a "Try me " type of thing) It seemed he failed at that tho.

In fact, you seem more like you're buddying him here than you're actually trying to figure out who the scum is. What were you trying to attain with your compliments here?

Swords then came back, and now he's questioning you and your motivations.

 

[BarDulL]

Ninjran. -_-

 

[ranmaru]

I think the only thing you can consider buddying is the quote I one upped babeh. How is that considered buddying? Is buddying a scumtell in your pov? Why or why not? What's wrong with buddying someone I feel may be town?

 

[ranmaru]

And to answer your question, I wasn't trying to attain anything with my compliment. There was only one thing I agreed with there.

It just meant I agreed with what he did there. Nothing more, nothing less.

Of course, I am always open to buddying my town reads. But in a situation like this I wouldn't buddy so early because I wouldn't have a solid read to work off of.

 

[ranmaru]

And when I say situations, I mean lylo practice.

 

[BarDulL]

Nah, that wasn't him feeling up on me. That was him just R'FSING like you coined it. Even upon entering I FOS'D Swords back with OMGUS so obviously you weren't thinking in terms of those anyways.

The type of 'feeling up' I'm talkin' bout is Swords questions to you like "Are you scum, Bardull?"

That type of feel would require me to be in the thread, or require me having posted at first. Of course, at the time I could only get a feel on you since you were there and posted recently, not Swords. Ya... feel me bro?

So you saying that seemed like you were focused with a... one track mind, and were trying to make me seem like I was the one trying to focus on you ONLY BECAUSE I WANTED TO. But I didn't even have the chance to interact with Swords. This is the only thing I don't like about ya. Ya... feel me bro?

Also keep in mind you and I post a bit more than Swords, so there is more of a chance of us interacting then with him. Luckily you were able to in RFS as coined by you.. and I wasn't. Oh well.

The only thing I dislike about Swords is his question to me about my question to you implying that I had a suspicion about it... When I never stated that. He accused you of being scum for not coming to the conclusion of what he thought a townie would do, and wasn't looking at your whole play. Just your reactions to his questions.

Thoughts on this?

Yeah, he FoSed you, but it wasn't much. It was just RFS shenanigans. Lol, I'm starting to hate my own term because it isn't the norm, but technically we can't vote, so it bothers me if I say RVS.

Anyway, Swords is feeling you up and making his move now that you've spoken. I've been measuring the content he's putting out and I'm ok with it so far. I'll talk about that question you were talking about in a second.

The fact is, you really didn't try to test him out. You just complimented him on his play. I'm not trying to make you seem like you have a one track mind, you really did seem like you had a one track mind by constantly questioning me and not Swords. You also said you thought I was scummy (or scum? I have to double check) without gauging Swords yet. :-X. So far, your play to me looks like you were just trying to push me out of the equation before looking at the other side of it.

I don't like that Swords is putting out assumptions with his line of questioning either, since it more or less puts words in our mouths when what he says isn't necessarily the case.

 

[BarDulL]

You NINJA! Wait a sec. I'll answer your 3 posts.

 

[BarDulL]

I think the only thing you can consider buddying is the quote I one upped babeh. How is that considered buddying? Is buddying a scumtell in your pov? Why or why not? What's wrong with buddying someone I feel may be town?

Buddying is when you over compliment someone, or fail to question them when they need to be questioned, or throw your support behind them regardless of their actions. I think you just slipped and you're trying to cover it up, but buddying someone who you don't already have a town read on (and in that scenario, Swords was essentially null, at least to me) it's certainly a scummy thing to do.

 

[BarDulL]

Actually, here's a better definition: scummy buddying is liking someone right away without a clear and visible rationale? And legitimate buddying is when you really think someone is Town and it makes sense to think that way, so you don't question them?

 

[ranmaru]

Buddying is when you over compliment someone, or fail to question them when they need to be questioned, or throw your support behind them regardless of their actions. I think you just slipped and you're trying to cover it up, but buddying someone who you don't already have a town read on (and in that scenario, Swords was essentially null, at least to me) it's certainly a scummy thing to do.

I don't think I had any questions for him at that time. So from my pov I wouldn't have needed to.

Slipped? How so? How am I trying to cover it up?

Who said I never had a town read on Swords?

Why is it scummy? What is the scum motivation for buddying? Can town use buddying as a tool?

 

[BarDulL]

In this case, and if you are scum, it would make sense for you to buddy Swords so that Swords would settle on shooting me. That's where I think you were going with it.

 

[ranmaru]

Actually, here's a better definition: scummy buddying is liking someone right away without a clear and visible rationale? And legitimate buddying is when you really think someone is Town and it makes sense to think that way, so you don't question them?

I like your thought process here.

There are two types of buddying yeah.

One where as scum, you use to make false bonds with townies.

The second, where you as town try to make a friendship just so that you guys can work with each other to avoid the stress and the hate and the war and the UGHHHH SHUT UP and see the intentions in the long run.

 

[ranmaru]

In this case, and if you are scum, it would make sense for you to buddy Swords so that Swords would settle on shooting me. That's where I think you were going with it.

Sure. But you still haven't answered... How did it seem like I was buddying swords? Why can't I legit have a town read and a scum read on you?

 

[ranmaru]

EBWOP: Town read on swords, scum read on you?

 

[BarDulL]

I don't think I had any questions for him at that time. So from my pov I wouldn't have needed to.

Slipped? How so? How am I trying to cover it up?

Who said I never had a town read on Swords?

Why is it scummy? What is the scum motivation for buddying? Can town use buddying as a tool?

You could have pretty much asked him anything. Heck, I could have asked him something right off the top of my head just to get a feel for him. "What's your favorite town role and why?" Just to get a feel.

You said "why is it wrong to buddy someone who I feel may be Town," but for you to think Swords is Town based on that one post is scummy.

Buddying is scummy when it's doesn't make sense for you to like an individual in the first place. For scum, buddying someone to get them to trust you would be the ulterior motive for buddying them. It's like getting a town read on someone too soon when it simply doesn't make sense for you to think they're Town yet in the first place. But if you have clear rationale for buddying up with Swords, then I'd consider giving it a pass.

Or I suppose it could be a dumb town thing to do...which would make this a dumb vs. scum scenario for me. Not that I think you're dumb or anything, but from the post I quoted earlier, it very much seemed like you liked Swords too soon for comfort.

 

[BarDulL]

EBWOP: Town read on swords, scum read on you?

Are you telling me that you really had a Town read on Swords from his earlier D1 post? :-X

 

[BarDulL]

FOS: SWORDS CUZ OMGUS!

I really laughed out loud when I saw a FOS RAN and I'm like.... wtf?!?!?!?! Why am I getting FOS'D WHEN I NEVER SIGNED UP??? xDDDD

It's all good tho. I'm ready to roll.

I like this. It shows you were trying to put Bardull on the spot to see if he would committ to his own proposal. (Like a "Try me " type of thing) It seemed he failed at that tho.

Like I said before, this post explains it, as well as your entire play as a whole. You haven't really FoS'd Swords or asked him questions up until his most recent question to you, which you seem to have qualms with now. However, he has been doing the same thing to me this entire day phase; stating things that aren't true about my play while addressing me.

 

[BarDulL]

Oh, that's a neat question. How come you didn't ask him about that? I'll bring up an example.

 

[BarDulL]

I never avoided talking about anything. This is what I mean by you trying to paint me as scum. You're putting words in my mouth by saying "I avoided doing X thing," but that actually isn't the case. It can all be summed up as me not taking you seriously during RFS.

Swords said I tried to avoid shooting talk, when that wasn't actually true in the first place. He made a statement that wasn't true, then followed up with a question based on the premise that the earlier statement he made was correct. Why didn't that trouble you when he was questioning me, if you're troubled by the fact that he has done the same thing to you?

 

[ranmaru]

You could have pretty much asked him anything. Heck, I could have asked him something right off the top of my head just to get a feel for him. "What's your favorite town role and why?" Just to get a feel.

You said "why is it wrong to buddy someone who I feel may be Town," but for you to think Swords is Town based on that one post is scummy.

Buddying is scummy when it's doesn't make sense for you to like an individual in the first place. For scum, buddying someone to get them to trust you would be the ulterior motive for buddying them. It's like getting a town read on someone too soon when it simply doesn't make sense for you to think they're Town yet in the first place. But if you have clear rationale for buddying up with Swords, then I'd consider giving it a pass.

Or I suppose it could be a dumb town thing to do...which would make this a dumb vs. scum scenario for me. Not that I think you're dumb or anything, but from the post I quoted earlier, it very much seemed like you liked Swords too soon for comfort.

I don't really do that. Usually what I'd do... would be to RVS. That's it. Now since you guys already started talking, I wouldn't neccessarily come in with that mindset. I'd come in scumhunting. That's what I do. You seem to omgus the person attacking you, and not really think of their motivation. For example earlier on you were asking me if I agreed with you that Swords was scummy, and to that, I disagreed. Then you think I'm scummy for disagreeing with you? So tell me, were you butthurt that Swords was pushing for you and I agreed? (Do not take offense to that word because I'm a nice guy )

Yet again. You fail to answer my question... how did it seem like I was buddying? Why are you avoiding this question, and trying to make it seem like I was buddying with Swords?

I asked you why it would be wrong to buddy someone who I feel town, but I never said that I had a solid town read on him. Remember I said it was a slight town lean. Why are you misconstruing this?

And if I liked Swords push? What is wrong with that? Do you WANT Swords to be scum? Because this seems to me like you were seeking approval from me so you could vote him off the island that is Bardull. I don't like how you are trying to turn this around on me.

 

[ranmaru]

You ninjad me you mofo D: <

 

[BarDulL]

The second, where you as town try to make a friendship just so that you guys can work with each other to avoid the stress and the hate and the war and the UGHHHH SHUT UP and see the intentions in the long run.

I guess there's also that, but in a 3 way lylo, you can't just buddy to get along right away when that person can be scum. We also don't have any prior information to work with, so teaming up right away with someone doesn't seem like a town thing to do. Unless you have a good explanation for doing it?

 

[ranmaru]

I guess there's also that, but in a 3 way lylo, you can't just buddy to get along right away when that person can be scum. We also don't have any prior information to work with, so teaming up right away with someone doesn't seem like a town thing to do. Unless you have a good explanation for doing it?

This is the thing, in the underlined. I never did buddy Swords. I think you need to try to understand buddying a bit more man.

 

[ranmaru]

Swords said I tried to avoid shooting talk, when that wasn't actually true in the first place. He made a statement that wasn't true, then followed up with a question based on the premise that the earlier statement he made was correct. Why didn't that trouble you when he was questioning me, if you're troubled by the fact that he has done the same thing to you?

Hmmm. You'll have to illustrate this quote by quote so I can understand your thought process man. For me to dislike what he did you'll have to show me the exact quotes because I don't follow.

 

[BarDulL]

I do not doubt that you were simply joking. It's the fact that you AVOIDED talking about the town/scum perspective on shooting first that bothers me, despite the fact that we opened up for that discussion quite nicely with our previous posts.

Ok, here's the quote I was talking about.

He says I AVOIDED talking about the town/scum perspective on shooting first. This isn't true, and thus he shouldn't be bothered by it. He also did this when he said I was "afraid" of saying "I'm Town." It's not that I was afraid to say it, it's that I think it's silly to say it because scum can just as easily say "I'm Town."

He's essentially making a statement to excuse his rationale for feeling a certain way, but the excuse, nor the rationale, make any sense, because he's making an assumption about my play before he actually has validity in his actions.

 

[BarDulL]

So, how come you never asked him about why he did that?

Well, over all, I'm still suspicious of you for not really addressing Swords or questioning his play up until this point, and it does look like you were buddying him in that one post of yours I keep bringing up about regarding you complimenting him, and agreeing with him, and then saying "I failed" to his test, but I'll just keep it in mind for now and let you both talk it up.

 

[BarDulL]

I don't really do that. Usually what I'd do... would be to RVS. That's it. Now since you guys already started talking, I wouldn't neccessarily come in with that mindset. I'd come in scumhunting. That's what I do. You seem to omgus the person attacking you, and not really think of their motivation. For example earlier on you were asking me if I agreed with you that Swords was scummy, and to that, I disagreed. Then you think I'm scummy for disagreeing with you? So tell me, were you butthurt that Swords was pushing for you and I agreed? (Do not take offense to that word because I'm a nice guy )

Yet again. You fail to answer my question... how did it seem like I was buddying? Why are you avoiding this question, and trying to make it seem like I was buddying with Swords?

I asked you why it would be wrong to buddy someone who I feel town, but I never said that I had a solid town read on him. Remember I said it was a slight town lean. Why are you misconstruing this?

And if I liked Swords push? What is wrong with that? Do you WANT Swords to be scum? Because this seems to me like you were seeking approval from me so you could vote him off the island that is Bardull. I don't like how you are trying to turn this around on me.

I wasn't OMGUS'ing. And I'm not necessarily trying to turn this on you (that looks like an OMGUS btw).

I've already answered your question. Your play so far looks like you were buddying Swords, as explained by the lack of questions from you to Swords as well as the agreeing/complimenting you did in that one post. You're only now beginning to question him when he finds you suspicious for doing something. :-X.

Right now, I don't want any one person to be scum, but for the record, I feel you are more likely to be scum than Swords is right now. As of this moment, I'm more likely to snuff out your torch on the BarDulL island. XD. But my shot can change for sure depending on how things play out, I'm not tunneling anyone.

 

[BarDulL]

I don't mind if you have a scum/town read on anyone, but when the read seems unsubstantiated to me, it comes off as gross. Like, if you were to hypothetically buddy Swords as TownRan within Swords' first post, I would be like "what? Why is he buddying Swords so soon?" It would give me the wrong impression about you.

 

[BarDulL]

Swords, what do you think of Ran? Anything you agree/disagree with me on?

 

[Omni]

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Ugh who did I think was scum again?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Oh right Bardull.

Yes, I had a feeling scum could shoot. It wouldn't make much sense if they couldn't. However, I did need it clarified regardless. How is this scummy?

It in itself is not scummy, it just goes along with a point that I was making. I'll clarify in a bit.

I'm not really sure where you're going with your next paragraphs, so I'm going to skip them.

I never avoided talking about anything. This is what I mean by you trying to paint me as scum. You're putting words in my mouth by saying "I avoided doing X thing," but that actually isn't the case. It can all be summed up as me not taking you seriously during RFS.

But, this is a nice point: what do you think we would have gained from talking about shooting? Seems like flavor/mechanic talk to me and I certainly don't think the scum would slip up by talking about it. It would have mostly provided filler, if nothing else, wouldn't you agree?

You see, the funny thing about all of this is that that third paragraph of yours is totally the reason why I think it was scummy. I believe that your lack of action reveals a scummy mindset. A mindset of "Do I mention this? If so, how will people see me if I do?" Naturally it probably would of been better for you to have started to scumhunt by diving into my possible intentions after I asked you to shoot Ran. However, you didn't, and I believe it wasn't done with the intentions of trying to avoid looking bad.

So, this is why you already pretty much knowing that scum could shoot goes along with it. It means that you were capable of starting to delve into my intentions, but you didn't.

Here are the very plain and obvious facts: the scum wants one of the town players to shoot at the other town player, while the other two town players are trying to feel the other players out and pin the scum. So naturally, the individual who isn't trying to get a feel for both players, or is failing to do so, is the culprit. This much is quite clear. So all of us are naturally going to act in the town fashion. Both of you know this already, as do I. You're all relatively decent at the game, with far more experience than myself...I would think. Does this really need to be talked about?

Anyway, this is the very reason that I suspect Ranmaru at the moment. He has failed to address you or tried to get a feel for you so far, thus leading me to believe that he is the individual who is trying to get you to shoot myself.

I'm Town, Swords. There, I said it. Does that make you feel better about me?

Yes, perhaps.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Okay Bardull I actually agree with like everything you said. I was not comfortable with Ran's first post in this game we're he pretty much didn't do anything with it but state that he liked my post. Like wtf, why would you say that? Better yet, why would you just say that? Why didn't you do anything else at the time? His reason for not questioning me is kinda lame to. It's forum mafia, I don't have to be there to be questioned.

Bardull I still have even more concerns about you. Like, I do not care for the way you reacted to my pressure at all. You basically jumped to the position that I was scum IMMEDIATELY after my first attack on you. Instead of trying to analyze me more, you instead just tried to make it a "me vs. Sworddancer" situation. Perhaps this might of been OMGUS (which honestly isn't even scummy), but just the way you attacked me felt, how should I describe it? Gross. Ill intentioned. I'll have to look back to make sure but I'm pretty sure it didn't really come off as a "hurt townie" to me.

Now afterwards you're attacking Ran as soon as it seemed that Ran wasn't going to be won over by your cause. Again I can see your point about Ran but I think it curious that you pretty much dropped any suspicion you've had of me. Don't like.



Now on top of that you switched to Ran. I've seen glimpse of you still observing me

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Oh wow fail. I was originally thinking that I did see glimpses of you attacking keeping an eye on me ("I'm satisfied with sworddancer's content as of now"), but I decided to "delete" that because I wasn't satisfied with it in the context that you pretty much forgot about all your pressure on me Bardull. Guessed I failed in the simple endeavor of deleting something before posting. -.-

 

[BarDulL]

Oh right Bardull.

o y hello there

It in itself is not scummy, it just goes along with a point that I was making. I'll clarify in a bit.

Why do you need to "clarify in a bit?" Why not clarify now?

You see, the funny thing about all of this is that that third paragraph of yours is totally the reason why I think it was scummy. I believe that your lack of action reveals a scummy mindset. A mindset of "Do I mention this? If so, how will people see me if I do?" Naturally it probably would of been better for you to have started to scumhunt by diving into my possible intentions after I asked you to shoot Ran. However, you didn't, and I believe it wasn't done with the intentions of trying to avoid looking bad.

I guess I'm ok with this, but from my point of view, I see gun/shooting talk as filler and pointless, so I naturally didn't feel inclined to talk about it. I also know that, if you were scum, you wouldn't give yourself away easily, so I assumed you were joking when you told me to shoot Ran.

Now, was I right to assume you were joking, or did you really mean for me to shoot Ran? Unless it was intentionally meant to be a gambit, which is odd considering I don't see the town intent for the gambit. There is no question in my mind that you're going to say the former, so the point you're trying to make is a dead end street, so I don't know why you're pushing it.

So, this is why you already pretty much knowing that scum could shoot goes along with it. It means that you were capable of starting to delve into my intentions, but you didn't.

"This is why you already pretty much knew scum could shoot goes along with it." No, I actually pretty much didn't know...at all. I had a feeling, but it wasn't 100%. Not to be disrespectful, but making assumptions about another person's train of thought is rude and arrogant, but I wouldn't call it scummy per se. I suggest you get off the high horse immediately however, it's bothersome and distasteful.

Yes, perhaps.

I was being sarcastic. This is an odd response. You didn't actually feel better about me just because I said I was town, did you?

 

[BarDulL]

Okay Bardull I actually agree with like everything you said. I was not comfortable with Ran's first post in this game we're he pretty much didn't do anything with it but state that he liked my post. Like wtf, why would you say that? Better yet, why would you just say that? Why didn't you do anything else at the time? His reason for not questioning me is kinda lame to. It's forum mafia, I don't have to be there to be questioned.

Ok, so you say here that you're bothered by Ran's post, but then you don't analyze or question Ran's play. Why?

Bardull I still have even more concerns about you. Like, I do not care for the way you reacted to my pressure at all. You basically jumped to the position that I was scum IMMEDIATELY after my first attack on you. Instead of trying to analyze me more, you instead just tried to make it a "me vs. Sworddancer" situation. Perhaps this might of been OMGUS (which honestly isn't even scummy), but just the way you attacked me felt, how should I describe it? Gross. Ill intentioned. I'll have to look back to make sure but I'm pretty sure it didn't really come off as a "hurt townie" to me.

What? You've lost me here. I never committed to a scum read on you or even said you were scum as of yet. Poking and feeling you up isn't necessarily the same as me omgus'ing/forcing a me vs. you situation. You're going to extremes here, and I'm not sure why. You need to explain this mindset of yours and how you're approaching myself and Ran. It's too aggressive.

Now afterwards you're attacking Ran as soon as it seemed that Ran wasn't going to be won over by your cause. Again I can see your point about Ran but I think it curious that you pretty much dropped any suspicion you've had of me. Don't like.

I haven't dropped suspicion of you yet, which is why I'm still asking you questions even throughout my questioning of Ran and after. You say you're not satisfied, but what are you not satisfied with? This is also inherently bothersome to me, because I'm not interested in satisfying your quota. I have Ran as my scum read, but that doesn't mean I won't my stance given how you respond; I'm still flexible.

 

[BarDulL]

I haven't dropped suspicion of you yet, which is why I'm still asking you questions even throughout my questioning of Ran and after. You say you're not satisfied, but what are you not satisfied with? This is also inherently bothersome to me, because I'm not interested in satisfying your quota. I have Ran as my scum read, but that doesn't mean I won't CHANGE my stance given how you respond; I'm still flexible.

Fixed in bold.

 

[BarDulL]