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[#HBC | Gorf]

It doesn't. FML was likely killed cuz he was obvtown.

 

[Dabuz]

Found time to post, gonna respond to Jdietz now.

Vinyl L-2

Dabuz, reasoning on early Ghebtown read?

Ghebscum wouldn't be so ballsy as to go into Day 1 with no plan except to have a hardon for killing Gorf and be completely serious about it, scum plans their play more than that.

Question: what about me wanting to discuss Vinyl is bad to you? We were a day away from a no lynch and he hadn't said anything at all, I think that's reasonable discussion material. If anything I would expect you to be happy I brought a new face to the stagnant thread.

My problem is not the fact that you were pushing Vinyl, I was and still am completely fine with that. However the way you did it is what bothers me.

Vote: Xatres

@Mod: is deadline actually the 29th?

Rake, how long do we wait before we hardbody Vinyl

You're pretty much just asking Rake to pressure Vinyl for you instead of taking initiative into you're own hands, which is supported by your followups.

Also, IIRC in my response to Xatres I stated my dislike for this vote.

According to the D1 opening post he is

No, feel free though personally I'm waiting, and yez

I can't say exactly what you were thinking, but this approach to Vinyl was so passive, arguably armchair critic since you're just pointing out his inactivity but don't really say anything conclusive from it nor pressure from it.

Re-reading it though it doesn't bother me as much as it did on my first read. I still don't like your passive approach to Vinyl, I wouldn't really call it pressure. I don't like your vote on Xatres (stated in my response to Xatres), but it's more likely of a case of bad play/ disagreeable play than actual scum play.

 

[Kantrip]

Wait so dabuz you want Vinyl dead but you don't like the way Jdietz pushed Vinyl, basically trying to get townRake to do it for him?

 

[Dabuz]

Wait so dabuz you want Vinyl dead but you don't like the way Jdietz pushed Vinyl, basically trying to get townRake to do it for him?

Precisely @ underlined.

I don't like Vinyl since he's so inactive, he's not a slot I mind getting lynched, he's a slot no one likes AFAIK, he's not a slot i'm focusing on ATM.

 

[Vinylic.]

Nobody likes me being inactive. I believe I'm used by scum to take advantage, or I'm possibly bait for something else. But hey, it's new years and I have limited access to computers. I like people who don't compare me from how I am on the rest of the games I've played.

 

[Vinylic.]

Vote: Rake

Keeping my vote the way it is, btw.

 

[Dabuz]

Responses in green

puts himself in a town triangle with 2 of the stronger-voiced townies

Point?

wishy washy on my slot, says he dislikes me but uses a bull**** reason to avoid acting on it

Point?

cop-out, ultimately null

Point?

i dont get it

Explained in one of my recent posts

I forget what he said, coulda been good, coulda been bad, guess i'll check

k

leaves an easy mislynch as "i dont like him but we can get him later" even though if we're gonna lynch vinly we should do it at policy d1, otherwise we should agree he is obvtown and leave him cuz no scum are gonna kill him

Nope

null just a summary of reads

K

reasons that was a bad post

You didn't come to any conclusions from this, unless i missed something

OK, think I responded to everyone's posts unless I missed something. I rushed these posts so if anyone has questions please ask.

 

[Dabuz]

Vote: Rake

Keeping my vote the way it is, btw.

Rake is dead.

 

[Vinylic.]

Whoops, my bad.

Vote: A Broken Rake

I'm gonna re-read tomorrow then. Happy new years, dabuz.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I really want Gheb and Vinyl to lay out some thoughts before this day ends. I'm not having Gheb just coast on his Gorf jokes until end game like he did in the last mini.

I agree I owe an explanation which I will give when I'm not hungover. This just in though: my vote on Gorf is serious.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

EBWOP:

@MOD:

11:59 pm EST. of January 2, 2014.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@Gheb: Do you have a chief scum read on anyone yet? If so who.

I'm undecided between Gorf and Kantrip:

So since there's only like 3-4 pages worth of skimming through I didn't actually have to read a lot.

Rake should be ignored [though likely town], dabuz can live, Dietz slot can live, Gorf can die, the rest are null and I'm OK with lynching one of them if no other option seems to be available. Would really like to see Gorf lynched though, not even kidding.

This post of mine from yesterDay still largely stands as it is. Kantrip has moved up on my scumlist because he has followed Gorf's baseless wagon against Vinyl and his interactions with FML look bad in retrospect. His carefree approach also seems very put-on to me.
I can get behind dabuz' push against dietz but I think Gorf/Kantrip has a higher chance of containing a scumbag between them [if not both of them are].
Vinyl still hasn't done anything and I'm not willing to tolerate it forever. On the other hand I really don't see him as scummy at the moment. I hope he actually gets to contribute something toDay.

Gorf / Kantrip
Dietz

is my lynchpool in order of preference. Vinyl is null, Xatres and dabuz lean town imo.

 

[Dabuz]

Whoops, my bad.
Vote: A Broken Rake

I'm gonna re-read tomorrow then. Happy new years, dabuz.

Late happy new years Vinyl.

 

[Vinylic.]

I'll be taking a walk back home and catch up. See you all in a few.

 

[Jdietz43]

Yeah it makes me take it slightly more serious knowing Rake had that legit opinion before he left, he can have good gut reads soemtimes imo

And the thing about pursuing FML's reads is that mafia doesn't have a kill, only the SK does. So his death doesn't make his dabuz scumread any more worth looking at than when he was alive. If anything, it makes looking at me worthwhile since he called me indy, but I don't get why it makes dabuz scum more likely.

What don't you get about having confirmed town opinions on a slot making their reads worth evaluating? Him flipping town doesn't make Dabuz scum more likely by game mechanics, it makes his words truthful. I dislike that you're not reading my intent here and seem to be twisting my words. (and a guilty conscience?)

 

[Jdietz43]

Ghebscum wouldn't be so ballsy as to go into Day 1 with no plan except to have a hardon for killing Gorf and be completely serious about it, scum plans their play more than that.

If you think this you are fully mistaken. Go read the previous minis where Gheb does nothing but sit on his Gorf hardon jokes for most of the early game (even as lyncher to non-gorf iirc), this is just what he does so no one can read him while he either formulates opinions or comes up with fake ones as either alignment. This by no means clears him for the game.

My problem is not the fact that you were pushing Vinyl, I was and still am completely fine with that. However the way you did it is what bothers me.


You're pretty much just asking Rake to pressure Vinyl for you instead of taking initiative into you're own hands, which is supported by your followups.

Also, IIRC in my response to Xatres I stated my dislike for this vote.

I can't say exactly what you were thinking, but this approach to Vinyl was so passive, arguably armchair critic since you're just pointing out his inactivity but don't really say anything conclusive from it nor pressure from it.

Re-reading it though it doesn't bother me as much as it did on my first read. I still don't like your passive approach to Vinyl, I wouldn't really call it pressure. I don't like your vote on Xatres (stated in my response to Xatres), but it's more likely of a case of bad play/ disagreeable play than actual scum play.

I was more interested in hearing what Rake would say back to try and read him, though I also wanted Vinyl to stop lurking. The only reason anyone was considering actually lynching Vinyl was because we ran out of time and he was still inactive, nothing more or less.

 

[Jdietz43]

Wait so dabuz you want Vinyl dead but you don't like the way Jdietz pushed Vinyl, basically trying to get townRake to do it for him?

This is an entirely empty question Kant, what do you even want in this dayphase? Are you actually going for Dabuz or just stalling out

Vote: Kantrip

 

[Jdietz43]

I agree I owe an explanation which I will give when I'm not hungover. This just in though: my vote on Gorf is serious.

Ok, that's what I needed to hear

 

[Jdietz43]

And the thing about pursuing FML's reads is that mafia doesn't have a kill, only the SK does. So his death doesn't make his dabuz scumread any more worth looking at than when he was alive. If anything, it makes looking at me worthwhile since he called me indy, but I don't get why it makes dabuz scum more likely.

I'm starting to feel like this was a slip, there was no reason to bring this up and no one had talked about it beforehand. I had made my thoughts on why I was looking over Rake's opinions quite clear that it wasn't based on mechanics, but he immediately jumped to this conclusion.

Discuss?

I'm not really interested in Dabuz anymore for now and I read Xatres's thoughts as genuine.

 

[Jdietz43]

EBWOP: Nightkill mechanics/motives specifically

I guess technically knowing Rake is town for sure is mechanical based

 

[Jdietz43]

This post of mine from yesterDay still largely stands as it is. Kantrip has moved up on my scumlist because he has followed Gorf's baseless wagon against Vinyl and his interactions with FML look bad in retrospect. His carefree approach also seems very put-on to me.

I can get behind dabuz' push against dietz but I think Gorf/Kantrip has a higher chance of containing a scumbag between them [if not both of them are].
Vinyl still hasn't done anything and I'm not willing to tolerate it forever. On the other hand I really don't see him as scummy at the moment. I hope he actually gets to contribute something toDay.

Gorf / Kantrip
Dietz

is my lynchpool in order of preference. Vinyl is null, Xatres and dabuz lean town imo.

This, I don't really feel like he's standing up for anything in this game and it's starting to feel offputting

 

[Vinylic.]

Every time I read Jdietz's posts, it's almost as if he's all over the place.

 

[Jdietz43]

Lol, true: but I'd rather be all over the place and putting my mind out there better than being nowhere and useless...

Now do you have anything interesting to say about my thoughts, or are you going to keep not playing.

 

[Vinylic.]

Pretty sure Rake can back me up that my post against him/Orbo was not at all serious. I chose him as my target specifically because I knew he would understand what I was doing. We had so little usable content at that point in the game, I thought someone needed to stir things up. I'm happy to take the heat if it gets people talking. FML was in no danger of being lynched by my single vote, danger only exists when people get around L-2 or L-1. I chose to use my vote as a tool, plain and simple.

The difference between my post against Rake and your post against me is that mine was intentionally empty, snarky, and inflammatory, while yours seemed like you were actually trying to build a case with so little to go on.

Point of grammar: "Very few opinions" is an expression that says, "I don't really know what to think" or "my opinions are too weak to state outright."

Point of grammar: "Assuming" means just that "if we were to assume x, then y may be true." It doesn't not mean that i believe this particular assumption to be true, just that I'm speculating on the possibility.

Very few opinions does not equal you don't know what to think nor is it too weak, it means you actually some minor ones, AND those minor opinions can simply be shared to give others some thoughts. Just because you put single vote on fml does not mean your vote wasn't serious. The only thing I can agree with is meaning for assumption. Anything with the word "if" shouldn't be taken too seriously.

 

[Vinylic.]

Lol, true: but I'd rather be all over the place and putting my mind out there better than being nowhere and useless...

Now do you have anything interesting to say about my thoughts, or are you going to keep not playing.

You're really convincing me to vote you, huh?

 

[Jdietz43]

I'll be shaking in my boots as soon as you contribute.

 

[Jdietz43]

Now tell me, what do you think about Kantrip so far?

 

[Vinylic.]

Ok, here is my contribution.

FoS: Jdietz

I was more interested in hearing what Rake would say back to try and read him, though I also wanted Vinyl to stop lurking. The only reason anyone was considering actually lynching Vinyl was because we ran out of time and he was still inactive, nothing more or less.

Don't you know how he plays from the last time? What were you looking into that made you so curious as to "try and read him"? Also, now that you've seen his vote on me, we're you going to note for later? It looked more like you could have taken action on rake and ask why he voted me instead of asking why I voted him as, because I think you know how I play, not to mention you just wanted me to to contribute. You know taking advantage of an inactive player for ML is a **** move, so kantrip and gorf joining the bandwangon just got their townie points taken away, but you are far more interesting based on this very suspicion.

The other fair points are that that it was close to deadline, but that's still a moronic move nonetheless.

 

[Jdietz43]

I know how Rake plays and I usually feel like I can read him from responses and demeanor, I liked how he responded: fast and loose but concerned. Stop playing the victim here, if you understand why I dropped your name then you shouldn't be upset. I don't care how hard you want or like to lurk, that doesn't change that it doesn't let us read you.

Answer the Kantrip question.

 

[Vinylic.]

Gheb Town.
Dab Town.
Kantrip Null, I know you got more effort than that, man.
Gorf Nullscum
Xat scum (I agree with dabuz on this one.)
jDietz scum.

Lynchpool is between Xat or jDietz, depdning on how it goes from here.
Gorf is less likely to be lynched.

 

[Jdietz43]

Soooo you gonna actually vote or do I have to play activity police forever just to get this thread to move.

 

[Vinylic.]

I know how Rake plays and I usually feel like I can read him from responses and demeanor, I liked how he responded: fast and loose but concerned. Stop playing the victim here, if you understand why I dropped your name then you shouldn't be upset. I don't care how hard you want or like to lurk, that doesn't change that it doesn't let us read you.

So like what, you were looking for a refresher? I don't get you. I have nothing to be upset about, but that reason you made is really sounding like a bad excuse to me.

 

[Vinylic.]

Vote: xatres

Dabuz nails it. He makes a response I do not like. I'm not convinced for what he did regarding to fml and why.

 

[Jdietz43]

A refresher on what, I want you to SPEAK

I shouldn't have to be here to drag your opinions out of you, that's the whole reason I'm speaking to you right now

 

[Jdietz43]

Vote: xatres

Dabuz nails it. He makes a response I do not like. I'm not convinced for what he did regarding to fml and why.

THANK YOU

Jesus christ someone else has Vinyl read-probing duty next time

 

[Vinylic.]

Hey, jdietz, ima brb probably tomorrow. peace.

 

[Vinylic.]

Also where the **** is everybody.

 

[Jdietz43]

Also where the **** is everybody.

 

[Kantrip]

This is an entirely empty question Kant, what do you even want in this dayphase? Are you actually going for Dabuz or just stalling out

Vote: Kantrip

Just stalling it out. I actually like dabuz's responses I just haven't read and don't have a direction and wanted clarification

Finally have a night without substances in my body, let's do this

 

[Kantrip]

Does Gheb's constant push on Gorf (started as RVS but turned into something "legitimate") ever stop? Feel like it could be bad distancing at this point. Wanna say that's too obvious but don't wanna get in on the wifom of that. Fact of the matter is Gheb had a hard-on (literally, #wetdreams) for lynching Gorf since RVS and started randomly started piling on legit stuff on it. Was too convenient that his RVS jump became a real push yet he didn't add any extra oomph behind.

Actually, scratch the distancing thing. This is more like a Gorf town Gheb scum kind of deal cuz Gheb is really bad at making his scumreads look legit when he's scum. He can't fake them and it always comes off fake, like this Gorf push that went from RVS to real with no change in how much Gheb seemed to care.

Vote Gheb