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[Jdietz43]

I would be willing to let Dabuz go if only because he's claimed reads on nearly everyone so far, which I find incredible in the dictionary sense of the word: not credible. Otherwise I'd prefer Vinyl because if we're going to make a near-blind lynch it might as well be on someone who, if town, we'd have a good chance of mislynching later when it mattered more.

 

[Kantrip]

Oh wait I forgot about dabuz being really open earlier and stating so many townreads, maybe he's okay after all. I just didn't like his recent reads. Meh.

I'll stay solid on Vinyl and call it one for one for now.

Vote Vinyl

 

[Jdietz43]

Vinyl is at L-1

 

[Kantrip]

I like this town trifecta of Gorf + Gheb + myself.

puts himself in a town triangle with 2 of the stronger-voiced townies

Not liking Potassium but with him being one of the few active slots this game he's not on my lynch table toDay.

wishy washy on my slot, says he dislikes me but uses a bull**** reason to avoid acting on it

Don't have any opinion on Rake.

cop-out, ultimately null

Jdietz looks like he's sidelining with his no reasoning vote on Xatres (3038) then just pushing onto Vinyl in a non-subtle way to get other people to push onto Vinyl for him (3038, 3045), fine with him dying.

i dont get it

Stated my reasoning on why I don't like Xast, fine with him dying as well.

I forget what he said, coulda been good, coulda been bad, guess i'll check

Vinyl is a bothersome slot where after reading he decides to keep his RVS vote and then what looks like, OMGUS a vote onto Rake, however Vinyl isn't as concerning to me as Jdietz and Xast.

leaves an easy mislynch as "i dont like him but we can get him later" even though if we're gonna lynch vinly we should do it at policy d1, otherwise we should agree he is obvtown and leave him cuz no scum are gonna kill him

Basically my lynch pool is toDay is Xast, Jdietz, and Vinyl.

Right now leaning towards Dietz.

Vote: Jdietz

null just a summary of reads

reasons that was a bad post

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Vote Count

Gheb (1) - Debuz
JDietz (1) - FML, Dabuz
Kantrip
Gorf (1), Gheb
Xat (1) - Gorf
Dabuz (1) - Xat
FML (1) - Vinyl
Vinyl (4) - FML, Gorf, JDietz, Kantrip

Not voting:

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

 

[Vinylic.]

Unvote

Maybe next time, you guys can be a little active with more effort in the holidays.
I'm vt.

 

[Vinylic.]

ebwop: a little more active

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Kantrip is almost def indy. His posturing on reads is scum meta through and through

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Vote Kantplay.

I want either him or dabuz. On Dabuz scum he looks slightly better.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Vinyl is far too carefree to be scum, also vinyl, do you have any reads ?
In addition, vinyl is too accepted a choice for this not to be an ML. There is literally no resistance to this lynch which in many cases means its the wrong one to make.

In so far as townies, i think me/dietz/gorf/vinyl are townie , with scum somewhere in kantplay/dabuz and gheb possibly

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Although Dietz is the most liable to change in the town group because somehow i expected more from his read then what he's presenting. I'm comfortable with him though because my gut feels off about kantrip/Dabuz

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Add Xat to the group of scummies as well, far to non committal and wishy washy despite his stated reasoning

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Night 1 begins now. Day 1 ends in a no lynch. No more posting.

Please send in Night actions y the 30th at 11:59pm.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Btw since Day 1 moved like a snail despite having a six day deadline, and this IS suppose to be a mini, I'm going to shorten the next couple of days to 3 day deadlines in order to incentivize faster discussion.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

FML (Iris, vanilla townie) was killed!

Vote Count:


Gheb
JDietz
Kantrip
Gorf
Xat
Dabuz
Vinyl

Not voting:Gheb, JDietz, Kantrip, Gorf, Xat, Dabuz, Vinyl

Day 2 starts! With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Deadline is 01/02/2014.

 

[Jdietz43]

Vote Kantplay.

I want either him or dabuz. On Dabuz scum he looks slightly better.

Vinyl is far too carefree to be scum, also vinyl, do you have any reads ?
In addition, vinyl is too accepted a choice for this not to be an ML. There is literally no resistance to this lynch which in many cases means its the wrong one to make.

In so far as townies, i think me/dietz/gorf/vinyl are townie , with scum somewhere in kantplay/dabuz and gheb possibly

Kantrip is almost def indy. His posturing on reads is scum meta through and through

Although Dietz is the most liable to change in the town group because somehow i expected more from his read then what he's presenting. I'm comfortable with him though because my gut feels off about kantrip/Dabuz

Add Xat to the group of scummies as well, far to non committal and wishy washy despite his stated reasoning

I guess all this stuff Rake said before deadline is a good place to start. Discuss?

I'mma re-read since it's so short

 

[Jdietz43]

Jdietz looks like he's sidelining with his no reasoning vote on Xatres (3038) then just pushing onto Vinyl in a non-subtle way to get other people to push onto Vinyl for him (3038, 3045), fine with him dying.

Question: what about me wanting to discuss Vinyl is bad to you? We were a day away from a no lynch and he hadn't said anything at all, I think that's reasonable discussion material. If anything I would expect you to be happy I brought a new face to the stagnant thread.

Vote: Dabuz

I'd also like the answer to my question on your Gheb town read, I don't see any material out of Gheb you can really read into so far.



@Gheb: Do you have a chief scum read on anyone yet? If so who.

 

[Kantrip]

Dietz does what Rake had to say influence your read on dabuz?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Mkay... So wo called tat Rake being town thing from the start amirite amirite amirite?

Dabuz should NOT be looked at. That's just silly.

Ho2 about we pile em up on Xastres?

Vote: Xastres

 

[Kantrip]

Gorf why is looking at dabuz silly. Not only can the push be telling for those who push him, but I actually don't think it's that bad of a push. Saying it's silly with no reasoning is just... distracting the focus away

 

[Xatres]

Gorf why is looking at dabuz silly. Not only can the push be telling for those who push him, but I actually don't think it's that bad of a push. Saying it's silly with no reasoning is just... distracting the focus away

You can characterize Gorf's entire post with the phrase "distracting the focus away." He didn't provide reasoning for ignoring dabuz OR for pushing me. Dabuz was the one who started pushing me in the first place, which I've already explained was for pretty weak reasoning (in a response to FML, no less).

@ #HBC | Gorf : Give us some reasons why you think dabuz shouldn't be pushed or why I should be the play.

Vote: Dabuz

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Vote Gorf

 

[Dabuz]

*Yawn* Gonna get to why you all are being idiots later, putting a placeholder post down before you guys quick lynch.

 

[Dabuz]

Xast makes this wisewolf unhappy so he's gonna be my first person to pick apart.

What exactly about my post made you think I was "dead serious" about FML being scum?

Why should I have had a plethora of opinions at that point based on the few posts that had already been made?

Read the thread, have very few opinions.

Vote: FML

Did you ask Rake to join you after you rolled scum and decided you wanted a repeat performance from FE:A?

No real content in this post yet Xatres sounds dead serious on FML scum. This game also doesn't have like, anything to base real reads off of yet. Something about having very few opinions after reading looks like a way to post fluff since none of the opinions are present nor is there a push. The last line is just such an awkward thing to ask, hell, it's awkward to correlate creating a hydra to having rolled scum.

(Underlined is important) Apparently Xatres can't read.

My problem here is that Xatres started off his post saying he has very few opinions (meaning more than 1 at minimum), yet in his post he did not explain any of them. His vote on FML is arguably his opinion on FML, he thinks FML is scum...BUUUUUUT he doesn't provide any reasoning whatsoever so naturally it looks odd and it is completely unsubstantiated there. The entire post reeks of filler with a FML vote.

Now, I take Xatres' vote on FML as dead serious because it was 100% not a RVS vote and Xatres stated he believes FML scum in the post he voted FML. Xatres boy, don't pretend that vote wasn't 100% serious.

@FML: I've only posted a few times this game (yay holidays), but I'll give you an explanation since we're so close to deadline.

At the time I placed my vote on you, there was hardly any content at all that told me who may or may not be scum. The thread a jumble of holiday apathy and RVS silliness. I decided to place a more aggressive vote on you just to stir things up and see who would try to make a case against me for it. That one post isn't nearly enough to lynch me (at least it wouldn't be if this were a regular game), so if anyone DID try to make a case they would be knowingly making one that was super weak.

My second post was an attempt to draw the person who did try to make a weak case (dabuz) into justifying it and possibly incriminating himself via faulty logic in the process.

THIS post is me being unusually straightforward because we're so close to deadline and I'd like at least one lynch to gain traction (that's not mine). I would have waited for dabuz to respond, but two hours is a short enough time for him to just not post and let either a no lynch or a poor lynch go through.

So, at this point, I'll throw my vote on dabuz. I'm headed to bed in less than an hour, so unless someone can make a compelling case otherwise, that's where my vote will be when the Day ends.

Unvote

Vote: Dabuz

Paraphrased:

"Hi, my name is Xatres and i'm scum. I made a really bad vote with no reasoning so I could backdoor something later in case I was pressured. Dabuz' case isn't strong enough to lynch me in a regular mafia game which i'm going to pretend this is despite just saying I know this isn't a regular mafia game because we have less than 1/2 the time per Day and there is only PR in the entire game, but don't let that distract you from the rest of this post. My post was also knowingly very weak so I was expecting someone to push me for it and pushing a weak post in this scenario means Dabuz is scum because town doesn't push weak posts at all, nope, it's 100% not something that both alignments do regularly. (Sarcasm) Finally i'm just gonna throw my vote on Dabuz because why not? 2 hours left in the Day is the perfect time to try and push a new wagon."

Actually, I need to emphasize the part where Xatres admits to having complete **** on FML and justifies it saying he had complete **** on purpose to draw someone into pushing because it was complete ****. Both town and scum will push bad posts, it's just part of good play and you claiming it's scummy to push a bad post may be the stupidest thing I've ever seen on Dgames. Only scum or extremely dumb could argue one of the principals of playing mafiascum well is scummy.

I think the other problem I have with dabuz is that he reasoning for voting Jdietz. He sets up the argument that he doesn't like Jdietz for voting me for "no reason," even though it was dabuz who set up a case against me in the first place. Assuming Jdietz and I are both town, it could be argued that dabuz is setting up for two mislynches, first Jdietz, then me.

Wow, this is getting worse and worse. I'll probably have to cover JD when I read his more recent posts, but w/e. We are all assuming Jdietz voted you because he agreed with my case on you, but really, he never stated any reasoning. There is literally zero logic to be accountable for and he could spin his reasoning any way that suits him if asked, yet he could also hop onto the wagon easily and sneakily with such a small and quick vote. Please, since you're assuming Jdietz is town, tell me what makes him town.

Xatres, if you're not scum then we have a lot of things to discuss in the post game.

Vote: Xatres

Will try to get to other people before leaving today but I can't make promises.

 

[Xatres]

Pretty sure Rake can back me up that my post against him/Orbo was not at all serious. I chose him as my target specifically because I knew he would understand what I was doing. We had so little usable content at that point in the game, I thought someone needed to stir things up. I'm happy to take the heat if it gets people talking. FML was in no danger of being lynched by my single vote, danger only exists when people get around L-2 or L-1. I chose to use my vote as a tool, plain and simple.

The difference between my post against Rake and your post against me is that mine was intentionally empty, snarky, and inflammatory, while yours seemed like you were actually trying to build a case with so little to go on.

Point of grammar: "Very few opinions" is an expression that says, "I don't really know what to think" or "my opinions are too weak to state outright."

Point of grammar: "Assuming" means just that "if we were to assume x, then y may be true." It doesn't not mean that i believe this particular assumption to be true, just that I'm speculating on the possibility.

 

[Dabuz]

Well FML is dead so he can't confirm/ deny that and I would be a fool to take what you say with face value. The method of which you tried to stir stuff up and the conclusion/ plan behind it is still an issue.

I do not deny claims of believing all that I said. In a game like this there is so little time to work with that there is no way to make cases that would be satisfactory by normal game standard.

I have never heard that expression so i'll look it up later.

I would still like to hear your read on Jdietz now.

Out for the rest of today.

 

[Xatres]

I totally just forgot that Rake is the one who died. >_<

 

[Xatres]

Ninja'd

I'll get you a JDietz read sometime today. We should definitely ensure that everyone is pushed to participate toDay, although I understand the inactivity of D1 to be because of Christmas. (We really should have waited to start until later)

 

[Orboknown]

go town guys

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

You can characterize Gorf's entire post with the phrase "distracting the focus away." He didn't provide reasoning for ignoring dabuz OR for pushing me. Dabuz was the one who started pushing me in the first place, which I've already explained was for pretty weak reasoning (in a response to FML, no less).

@ #HBC | Gorf : Give us some reasons why you think dabuz shouldn't be pushed or why I should be the play.

Vote: Dabuz

I'm not going to defend my (already stated) town read on dabuz. He was the biggest voice town had yesterDay in a pool of players that were just barely prod dodging. Why on earth would you think scum would bother to do that? That's like when Rake just decides to latch onto somebody at the beginning of the game JUST BECAUSE they're posting at the beginning of the game. There is no way in my head he's scum.

I'm actually surprised your post ends with a dabuz vote. Dafuq.

Oh and Xastres shiz. I'll put it in my own words in a bit. Glad to see Gheb still has his vote on me, way to keep up the town spirit

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

To add to Dabuz' first point on Xastres, look at how many times Xas reiterates his lack of opinion. or, at least, "having very few opinions." The point just REALLY needs to come across that he doesn't have much to say am I right, cuz that's probably the thing he says the most. Everybody feels the same way, but then there are those who at least try to read people. Xastres would rather just say that there's not much to read and place a vote anyway... cuz..well why not?

I'll totally parrot dabuz' first paragraph and include the paragraph on top of this one an inclusion to dabuz' first.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

EBWOP

"and include" = "and consider"

 

[Kantrip]

Dietz pls respond

 

[Jdietz43]

Dietz does what Rake had to say influence your read on dabuz?

Yeah it makes me take it slightly more serious knowing Rake had that legit opinion before he left, he can have good gut reads soemtimes imo

I won't lie I read Dabuz's case on Xatres and think it's mostly hot air and null tells. Gorf has a point when he says it would be odd for scumDabuz to be so vocal starting out, but I don't really see merit in what he's saying. It seems like he's put his goggles on and can't see any of the potential town intent on Xatres's probe on FML or the fact that there really wasn't anything to have a strong opinion on coming in and that's kind of a reasonable thing to say?



I really want Gheb and Vinyl to lay out some thoughts before this day ends. I'm not having Gheb just coast on his Gorf jokes until end game like he did in the last mini.

 

[Jdietz43]

Actually, I need to emphasize the part where Xatres admits to having complete **** on FML and justifies it saying he had complete **** on purpose to draw someone into pushing because it was complete ****. Both town and scum will push bad posts, it's just part of good play and you claiming it's scummy to push a bad post may be the stupidest thing I've ever seen on Dgames. Only scum or extremely dumb could argue one of the principals of playing mafiascum well is scummy.

Unvote

I read this whole section from the wrong angle, this is actually a really good point. If Xatres was seriously trying to do this he's either covering up or being obtuse about who all would be willing to push anyone for any reason in a 3 day long RVS

 

[Jdietz43]

@Gheb: Do you have a chief scum read on anyone yet? If so who.

I'm not going to defend my (already stated) town read on dabuz. He was the biggest voice town had yesterDay in a pool of players that were just barely prod dodging. Why on earth would you think scum would bother to do that? That's like when Rake just decides to latch onto somebody at the beginning of the game JUST BECAUSE they're posting at the beginning of the game. There is no way in my head he's scum.

I'm actually surprised your post ends with a dabuz vote. Dafuq.

Oh and Xastres shiz. I'll put it in my own words in a bit. Glad to see Gheb still has his vote on me, way to keep up the town spirit

But isn't there still merit in looking at Dabuz? All things considered both pushes from today are based on some pretty reachy logic, even if it's the best we've got atm. I don't want to write off a slot as town just because they're active, in a game this small directing town's days as either scum seems like it would be useful

Deadline is 01/02/2014.

As in it ends as soon as the the 2nd starts, or does it last until the end of the 2nd

 

[Jdietz43]

EBWOP:

@MOD:

As in it ends as soon as the the 2nd starts, or does it last until the end of the 2nd

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

What merit can be had? The only thing we have to base things off of from yesterDay is the fact that FML is dead. Dabuz had no reason to even speak when he did yesterDay. He could have let the Day just come and go like just about everybody else was doing. I don't think he's got the nads to try what he was doing and try to pull... SOMETHING yesterDay by putting his head out. Like... come on.

 

[Kantrip]

And the thing about pursuing FML's reads is that mafia doesn't have a kill, only the SK does. So his death doesn't make his dabuz scumread any more worth looking at than when he was alive. If anything, it makes looking at me worthwhile since he called me indy, but I don't get why it makes dabuz scum more likely.