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[Jdietz43]

If not for me, then at least for Ran to give a second opinion on: because whatever it is it's wrong.

 

[Hardbody Warrior]

jd if youre innocent i suggest you start squirming. go back through the thread and pull up whatever you can that shows ruys likelier tied to gheb than you are and/or disconnects between you and him

 

[S'all Good Man]

JD I will promise to grieve for you if you are town. IF.

 

[S'all Good Man]

Yeah try your hardest

 

[Jdietz43]

Okay I will, but at least do me the favor of considering what I said about not giving first opinions on shots. If you agree then it's condemning of Ryu

 

[S'all Good Man]

I just wanted it to see who you thought was scum individually. Otherwise it's easy for you to say "they are both scum so I'm town whee town win gg's "

Was trying to see town thought processess. Don't get so torn up about it.

 

[Jdietz43]

You act like my answer wasn't the towniest thought process there is in that situation though. Answering would have auto-lost us the game, something scum obviously didn't care about

 

[S'all Good Man]

Well I'm out. Time to finish that homework. Peace.

Good luck town.

 

[S'all Good Man]

You act like my answer wasn't the towniest thought process there is in that situation though. Answering would have auto-lost us the game, something scum obviously didn't care about

I'll trust Marshy to think about this tomorrow. Just try to explain to him your townie thought process if you are town.

 

[S'all Good Man]

Btw, vinyl had some suspicion between gheb and swords way early on (near d2 start). Just to give him his cred that he deserves. Poor guy is busy and stuffs.

Out for real.

 

[Jdietz43]

Aight fine I'll leave that one to Marshy (but you (Marshy) better not be like "too much wifom" and throw that whole part of thread out without even trying to discern my motives for thinking it, there's almost no way I would have thought of this scenario being bad for town if I wasn't in it)

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Thanks Ran.

 

[Jdietz43]

Okay, this is the best I could do, their distancing directly between each other was actually p. legit, but I did find some things to question:

I was waiting for that kind of response. But I'm *not* gonna be waiting for your approach to once again lead nowhere. There may very well be a reason you ask these kind of questions but there's also a reason why I feel the need to intervene here. After what happened during D1 last game and how it ended up affecting the rest of the game, I'm not gonna just watch the exact course of action unfold now.



It's not a good approach but it seems more authentic than what he did to Nabe last game. I'm sure the Vinyl head of your hydra would agree with me here as he also played that game. It's a slight hint towards Ryu either being town or him having learned his lesson from last game. I'm inclined to think its the former for now.

Why did Gheb think Ryu's approach was more authentic than last game wrt. his read on S'all Good? What made the approach seem more authentic and why was he satisfied with that enough to say "it's not a good approach but you're maybe town for it" when he was scum doing it just last game and he brings up the fact himself? He takes a hard "I won't let you do this" stance right before admitting he's ultimately okay with him doing that both on Xatres and on his town reading.

I realize I'm a hypocrite because I gave Ryu the eventual "ok" on it too after he claimed he read me as part of S'all, but process of elimination helps clarify here. The team possibilities once Gheb flips are either Gheb/Ryu or Gheb/Dietz, so what reason in a game where Ryu is the town does Gheb have to give him a pass for the read without asking? Why not pressure him all the way on it since it's a legit concern other people wouldn't find scummy to push in the hopes it catches on? I let him go as well, but you know I can't be Ryu's partner, only Gheb's. So why wouldn't we have pushed it if we were the team instead of Ryu/Gheb? Working together we probably could have and people would have accepted it because it just happened last game, but instead we both ended up being pro-RyuTown.


Gheb and I in contrast barely interacted. Pretty gutsy if we were the team. Wifom on that one I know, but you'd think there'd at least have been effort from Gheb's side to at least distance even if I didn't, but he never mentioned me as a slot at all until post-claim PoE. So once again, why so much interaction with Ryu despite us both supporting him if Gheb/Ryu wasn't the team trying to distance?

@ #HBC | Dancer

What happened in the last game was that indieRyu randomly started to throw dirt at townNabe, which was initially read as townRyu doing his thing. It allowed scumVinyl to stay safely out of the spotlight while Nabe and Ryu were busting their heads. Xatres, after not doing **** in the beginning, started to bust out some really ****ty *** logic on why Dark Horse was supposed to be the cult leader. Both got forced to claim eventually, as shrink and doc respectively. Town really failed to come up with anything productive and for some dumb reason they eventually decided that it's a good idea to lynch townGheb. That all happened on Day 1 and as a consequence, Vinyl was essentially given a free pass and won the game in the end. And if you ask me, Ryu getting all the attention onto himself and Nabe with the way he "questions" players was the key factor as to why town lost that game.

Ryu is ... himself? Throwing out baseless town reads on gut and selectively tunelling ****. I'd really like to know what made you want him lynched initially and am inclined to agree with Dietz that your over from Ryu to Xatres was not something I would've expected from you. I'm pretty sure that Dietz is being genuine here and that you are the one who has some explaining to do. Like, I personally don't see scumRyu right now but if you read him that way I don't see what keeps you from sticking to your guns and go for more.

I'm only considered genuine by Gheb when I'm pushing someone else Gheb wants pushed. Ryu is considered genuine for doing things that would normally be considered bad, especially by meta standards of what happened just last game by Gheb's own words. So if Ryu is town, why no genuine push?


Because let me make this clear: Ryu kept doing it

(on asked why a gut town on HBW, no more explaination given, right after refusing to speak more when Ran asked him on page 108)

I'm seeing more central thought, though I could be wrong here. This fooled me bad in MMU.

And let's not forget that that whole thing happened period to put in Ryu's scum-book of scum-things.

Like seriously Ryu commit yourself before this Day ends.

You said to look at me and Marshy upon a scumflip. This was literally RIGHT after you said that you were getting town vibes from Marshy, AND this was a moderate amount of time after saying that you liked my big post and thought that my post was "fine." Why?

Ryu obviestscum that ever scummed the earth

After that, the Gheb bus suddenly roared to life and was just all about policy lynches and how bad Ryu always played. But why not earlier...




That's honestly about the best I can do on the retrospective case of interactions I know must be true. Everything else was p. solid distancing and play.

 

[ranmaru]

Why no push on Ryu? Possibly because it'd implicate Ryu on a Ghebscum flip. Obviously gheb wouldn't be as obvious with a mate. It's null though. Plus Ghebscum doing that doesn't make a connection.

You have to find what Ryu did back that made him a likely partner. Scum to town connections aren't scum to scum for a reason.

Good try though. Did Ryu avoid Gheb?

 

[ranmaru]

Now that I think about it. Gheb didn't really have much pressure on him or much scumreads from people. So connection won't really do much.

Gheb had JD as null, JD has Gheb as null. It's all null.

My conclusion? Forget about the connections. There was no pressure. Also consider the scum were lurking.

Just look at the individual play.

Everytime I just always go back to "Damn... JD was just a little safe when he switched gears on HBW"

 

[ranmaru]

Now that I think about it. Gheb didn't really have much pressure on him or much scumreads from people. So connection won't really do much.

Gheb had JD as null, JD has Gheb as null. It's all null.

My conclusion? Forget about the connections. There was no pressure. Also consider the scum were lurking.

Just look at the individual play.

Everytime I just always go back to "Damn... JD was just a little safe when he switched gears on HBW"

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Damn, I don't log on for a day and this is what happens! >_<

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Gheb, Assassin, has been executed!

N2 begins! Please send your Night actions by tomorrow, March 14th, at 11:59 PM EST

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

S'all Good Man, Villager, has been executed!

Hardbody Warrior, Kingmaker, made Red Ryu, Assassin, king, so unless he's a god damn idiot, assassins win!

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Execute: JDietz

Welp

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Hmmm, sometimes one can be scummy enough for it to be true.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

My johns were legit one way or another, midterms week is ****ing ****. That wouldn't have changed, my content though...yeah people called me out on it pretty legitimately so I just tried to play to my meta with ****ty unjustified town reads.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

swhat i get for letting ****ty play get away

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Honestly it might seem like my reads were good upon Day one's end with me calling attention upon RR and having Gheb in the null category but I was honestly seeing a Jdietz/Gheb scum team after Xat flipped town. I would have probably made the same decisions as both Marshy and Ran if I was in their situation.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Town was somewhat screwed over by Xat's inactivity. It was a bad assumption of me to think that Xat was being inactivity because he was scum and not just inactive, but even if I had let him lived he would have just been a question mark going into endgame.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

^That is why vig is always my favorite role among other reasons.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

i dont think lynching xat was bad at all. sjust frustrating that we were forced to either take a blank slate to endgame or be deprived of another lynch

 

[ranmaru]

swhat i get for letting ****ty play get away

S'all good man. I would have done the same. At least we enjoyed the ride instead of just getting blue balled or really salty or anything. I had a good time.

Legit grieving for JD as I promised. Sorry man.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

oh dont get me wrong this game was fun as ****. fun fact i was gonna quicklynch gheb if i was made king lol

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

How'd vinyl do

 

[ranmaru]

He tried to get some thoughts down, but sadly was too busy. He just got around to suspecting gheb and swords around the time swords was nk'd. He then did another post analyzing the numbers of players and asked a question.

I think he got a possible job as a life guard. I told him do him. It's good that he is pretty busy.

I say he really only may have time if he leaves mafia for the weekends, or for the summer when he might have more time. It can be a time sink.

How did you think I did, Gorf? I know you haven't seen me play in a while.

 

[Vinylic.]

I feel bad, but I'm gonna start posting a story in a few minutes about how my swimming test went.

 

[Jdietz43]

Yeah not many convincing arguments I could bring to the table to prove Gheb/Ryu. People seemed intent on me being scum for whatever reason, maybe because I played more relaxed in the beginning. I was literally just trying to reign my play more towards the conservative after feeling like a fool in FF:TA for saying everything that came to mind immediately but apparently that was equally scummy in Marshy and Ran's eyes.

What's a town dude to do.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Yeah not many convincing arguments I could bring to the table to prove Gheb/Ryu. People seemed intent on me being scum for whatever reason, maybe because I played more relaxed in the beginning. I was literally just trying to reign my play more towards the conservative after feeling like a fool in FF:TA for saying everything that came to mind immediately but apparently that was equally scummy in Marshy and Ran's eyes.

What's a town dude to do.

Actually your 4413 was super legit, it' just that first impressions are everything. Your first post in the game looked contrived, coupled with your pushes on Xat and Marshy which looked bad after Xat town flip plus Marshy being kingmaker. Unfortunately it got you in a bad spot which sucks because your reasoning for the RR/Gheb connection were really good.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I would like to hear Vinyl's reasons for suspecting me and Gheb.

 

[ranmaru]

Yeah not many convincing arguments I could bring to the table to prove Gheb/Ryu. People seemed intent on me being scum for whatever reason, maybe because I played more relaxed in the beginning. I was literally just trying to reign my play more towards the conservative after feeling like a fool in FF:TA for saying everything that came to mind immediately but apparently that was equally scummy in Marshy and Ran's eyes.

What's a town dude to do.

Yeah it was the relaxed thing. Don't take this as a sign to stop being conservative. Could be a good idea for you.

 

[Jdietz43]

Actually your 4413 was super legit, it' just that first impressions are everything. Your first post in the game looked contrived, coupled with your pushes on Xat and Marshy which looked bad after Xat town flip plus Marshy being kingmaker. Unfortunately it got you in a bad spot which sucks because your reasoning for the RR/Gheb connection were really good.

You mean this first post? What part of it rubbed you wrong

No, but 'sup to you too. We'll find out soon hopefully.



Real like, or fake like?


Vote: Xatres
That's hammer. *dusts hands*

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Lolol, as I should be at this point. I was about to start railing on you for throwing a town gut read after a single post.




Good, because "real like" would have been too far for just that post full of probe questions for the same reasons as above.




If that's the case do you think Sworddancer is reading?



The man asked a second question dawg

No I meant your "real" first post.

 

[Jdietz43]

What was bad about it?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Wasn't needed, question and pressure on Xat felt arbitrary.