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Miiverse Daily Pic Thread: 2nd Edition (Updated 9/19)

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Duck$mash

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I think the game already has enough basic-human-figured characters in it, so, for me, the confirmation of more uniquely constructed characters like Paper Mario, Toon Link, Ridley, Mewtwo, (BOWSER JR.) is exciting. And I've never played any Fire Emblem games, so I have no room to talk about the last big release. But I was not amazed.
 

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Paper Mario would have as much to do with the exclusion of any of those characters as any other character on the roster.
And the last thing FE needs is more representation.

Plus, if a character was never planned, then Paper Mario definitely wouldn't get in their way. Characters like Ridley and Isaac were probably included/excluded from the very beginning, no Mario character would change that.
If Paper Mario would be a new character, he would've been included from the very beginning. He would've been uniqueand made from scratch and would go through the same development cycle as any other new character. Therefor technically the time spend for him is time that could've been spend on a different newcomer. The only reason why Paper Mario wouldn't be considered from the beginning would be him being a last minute clone, in which case I wouldn't mind him.

Not sure why you bring up FE. Robin was planned from the beginning, Lucina is an alt that got added last minute to probably cover up the spot of a cancelled character. How is this relevant to the Paper Mario discussion?
 

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If Paper Mario would be a new character, he would've been included from the very beginning. He would've been uniqueand made from scratch and would go through the same development cycle as any other new character. Therefor technically the time spend for him is time that could've been spend on a different newcomer. The only reason why Paper Mario wouldn't be considered from the beginning would be him being a last minute clone, in which case I wouldn't mind him.

Not sure why you bring up FE. Robin was planned from the beginning, Lucina is an alt that got added last minute to probably cover up the spot of a cancelled character. How is this relevant to the Paper Mario discussion?
You did say Chrom.
 

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If the problem with Paper Mario is how similar he looks to Mario, we already have Link, Toon Link, Marth and Lucina.

If the problem is Paper Mario being Mario, Sheik is Zelda and ZSS is Samus. Toon Link has the same name as Link but aside from that they are different individuals.

If the problem with Paper Mario is him being a clone, again we have Link and Toon Link and these are all characters confirmed for Smash 4. I'm not going to bother listing the clones from Melee since that was more about using what time they had left to make as many characters as possible.

In the end it doesn't really matter what anybody thinks, some people want Paper Mario, other don't. However, if Sakurai wants him in then he'll be in. After that, it's all a matter of what he does with his moveset.
 

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If Paper Mario would be a new character, he would've been included from the very beginning. He would've been uniqueand made from scratch and would go through the same development cycle as any other new character. Therefor technically the time spend for him is time that could've been spend on a different newcomer. The only reason why Paper Mario wouldn't be considered from the beginning would be him being a last minute clone, in which case I wouldn't mind him.

Not sure why you bring up FE. Robin was planned from the beginning, Lucina is an alt that got added last minute to probably cover up the spot of a cancelled character. How is this relevant to the Paper Mario discussion?
But the same could be said about Mega Man, Little Mac, and everybody else.
 

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But the same could be said about Mega Man, Little Mac, and everybody else.
I think you missed the start of this discussion. It was about why I'd be disappointed if they spend time on another form of Mario while they could make a character from a under represented franchise. That can't be said about MM or Mac.
 

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I imagine if Paper Mario gets in the roster as a Mario clone, people will ***** harder than they did when Toon Link was revealed to be a Link clone.

Anyway, just like last week, this one is shaping to be another great week with new info. We got a lot of new stage info in so little time. Here's hoping more info on the Pokémon League stage gets unveiled soon.
 
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You guys realize that giving Paper Mario a cloned moveset would probably take just about as much work as giving him a unique one, right? Mario has nothing in common with Paper Mario shape or size wise. Paper Mario doesn't even have legs. Paper Mario isn't just flat anyway, his arms and shoes stick out like pieces of a pop up book. You can't make a Mario clone out of that. There isn't even anyone similar to Paper Mario that would work. G&W seems like a fit, but G&W shape and movements do not translate well into Paper Mario. G&W is a 3D model smooched together, while Paper Mario is a flat figure with the moving elements (arms and legs) overlapping each other; one character stays on a single plane, while the other intentionally doesn't. In terms of proportions the character who comes close is actually the Ice Climbers: long arms with virtually no legs. Even with the hammers I don't see that being practical, again due to Paper Mario's "Pop-up Book" movements.


I get not wanting him in the game because he's basically Mario, but there is very little chance that Paper Mario would be a clone of anyone.
 

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You guys realize that giving Paper Mario a cloned moveset would probably take just about as much work as giving him a unique one, right? Mario has nothing in common with Paper Mario shape or size wise. Paper Mario doesn't even have legs. Paper Mario isn't just flat anyway, his arms and shoes stick out like pieces of a pop up book. You can't make a Mario clone out of that. There isn't even anyone similar to Paper Mario that would work. G&W seems like a fit, but G&W shape and movements do not translate well into Paper Mario. G&W is a 3D model smooched together, while Paper Mario is a flat figure with the moving elements (arms and legs) overlapping each other; one character stays on a single plane, while the other intentionally doesn't. In terms of proportions the character who comes close is actually the Ice Climbers: long arms with virtually no legs. Even with the hammers I don't see that being practical, again due to Paper Mario's "Pop-up Book" movements.


I get not wanting him in the game because he's basically Mario, but there is very little chance that Paper Mario would be a clone of anyone.
Link and Toon link and very different in terms of shape and size, but they are still semi-clones. I'm not saying it is guaranteed, but this doesn't stop Paper Mario being a semi-clone of Mario.
 
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Link and Toon link and very different in terms of shape and size, but they are still semi-clones. I'm not saying it is guaranteed, but this doesn't stop Paper Mario being a semi-clone of Mario.
They have different build, but they still have arms and legs and fight using their arms, legs, and a sword. Making Pikachu a clone of Link wouldn't be easy at all. Same with Mario and Paper Mario. In terms of how the move and fight they are very different characters.
 
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On the topic of Paper Mario being a clone, I found another hack where it replaced Mario Mario with Paper Mario and I think it is plausible that Paper Mario could be a clone

They have different build, but they still have arms and legs and fight using their arms, legs, and a sword.
To quote the dojo:

"He doesn't use kicks! Well, I guess his legs are a little too short... All he can do with his legs is throw people judo-style."

It is possible to make changes to clones to fit their body type.
 
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Paper mario would not be a mario clone

Paper mario would be mr game and watches lucina, but will have more different moves than mr game and watch.

But the paper mario stage does indeed help paper marios chances because it fits the pattern of a character presents for a stage.

I want to see the new dk stage not a returning one.
 
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On the topic of Paper Mario being a clone, I found another hack where it replaced Mario Mario with Paper Mario and I think it is plausible that Paper Mario could be a clone



To quote the dojo:

"He doesn't use kicks! Well, I guess his legs are a little too short... All he can do with his legs is throw people judo-style."

It is possible to make changes to clones to fit their body type.
That isn't Paper Mario. It's a cell-shaded Mario with Paper Mario shoes and eyes. It's impressive for a hack, but a company would not release that or anything like it officially.

I feel like your splinting hairs with the Toon Link thing. Link and TLink have plenty more in common with then Paper Mario does with Mario. Paper Mario's build is nothing like Mario's.


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The arms are longer, he has no legs, his body is a sphere, and his head is actually bigger then his body. While they can replace a few of TLinks kicks with a sword swipe, there is nothing Paper Mario has in common with Mario physically. It's not impossible to do, but clones are usually made to lower the work load. Paper Mario's build alone means they won't save any time at all. The paper element only seal the deal.
 
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I wouldn't say Mario and Paper Mario are the same person exactly. They are more or less AU's of eachother so it'd make as much sense as Toon Link/Link being playable.

Also Mario and Dr. Mario were both playable in the same game so saying they're the same person is not a valid reason for why Paper Mario should not be playable.
I for one hated the idea that Dr Mario was in Melee, it was pointlessly stupid. Not to mention we already established we don't want clones so another Lucina wouldn't be helpful. Still, a stage confirmation isn't a valid reason as well.
 

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Like I'd said before, Paper Mario himself would just be fine. It's the idea of Sakurai wasting development time to create a new character our of another Mario while he could be making Isaac, Chrom Shulk or Ridley that bugs me. Why make another Mario character while enough other franchises are left worth representing? Seems like a serious decision to me.

If Paper Mario ends up as a clone of G&W I wouldn't mind him at all though.
Real talk. I would much prefer Paper Mario than any of those characters.

EDIT: Also Mario's down b, side b, down smash, side smash, up smash, U-air, B-air, D-air, F-air wouldn't be consistent in Paper Mario with any way off the top of my head.
 
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Technically since Zelda and Sheik are split you could say they are 2 different people since Zelda is TP Zelda and Sheik is OOT Zelda.
Except the Sheik is more of a concept regardless of whether or not he was featured in TP. Just because they are split doesn't mean they are separate people. :p

Isn't Paper Mario a prophesied hero in part of the series? Just as Toon Link was in Windwaker? I think Paper Mario could definitely compare differently from Mario in most ways. For example, Paper Mario doesn't shoot fireballs from his hand, he used the fireflower item.

Just saying, I don't see why the Paper Mario - Mario relationship is any different from Link - Toon Link, though Toon Link actually uses all of/most of the same moves as Link.
Which Mario game have you played where Mario doesn't use an item to use fireballs? They're the same Mario. It's the same universe but with a Paper theme. If it was a whole new universe that would mean Bowser had captured Peach for the first time in PM 64.
 
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We just got a new stage last night and even before that we got the Starfox stage not too long ago so hoping for a new stage isn't the greatest idea. However, if we do get a new stage, I'd like to see a Kirby one either on 3DS or on Wii U with this song:
the beginning of the song is better than the ending imo but it's still a beautiful song.

Speaking of Kirby stages, I hope we get Fountain of Dreams as a retro stage even though it was absent from Brawl.
 

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Plot Twist: Sakurai puts Paper Mario in the game and gives him legs just so he can fight the same as Mario.

This man gave ZSS glowy heels, made Bowser and Yoshi stand up-right and let I remind you, is the same made who made the Great King of Evil fight the same as a racecar driver that moonlights as a bounty hunter.

He will do WHATEVER we wants if he feels it's necessary and he can get away with it. No matter how drastic, yet small. ¦(
 

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Plot Twist: Sakurai puts Paper Mario in the game and gives him legs just so he can fight the same as Mario.

This man gave ZSS glowy heels, made Bowser and Yoshi stand up-right and let I remind you, is the same made who made the Great King of Evil fight the same as a racecar driver that moonlights as a bounty hunter.

He will do WHATEVER we wants if he feels it's necessary and he can get away with it. No matter how drastic, yet small. ¦(
Bowser and Yoshi are both now more similar to how they appear in recent Mario games, and ZSS already had heels in Other M.
 

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Plot Twist: Sakurai puts Paper Mario in the game and gives him legs just so he can fight the same as Mario.

This man gave ZSS glowy heels, made Bowser and Yoshi stand up-right and let I remind you, is the same made who made the Great King of Evil fight the same as a racecar driver that moonlights as a bounty hunter.

He will do WHATEVER we wants if he feels it's necessary and he can get away with it. No matter how drastic, yet small. ¦(
Or even better, give him this:


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We got a new AT and stage this week, so if the ball keeps rolling I hope to see a new item and pokemon, just to end friday on a filler.:smirk:
 

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With an AT and stage, this week is off to a strong start. Hopefully that means a veteran on Friday! For tomorrow, I hope we get a costume.
 

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Bowser and Yoshi are both now more similar to how they appear in recent Mario games, and ZSS already had heels in Other M.
Heels? Yes.

Glowy jet heels? No.

Completely missing the point. He made the changes even if he didn't have to (Bowser and Yoshi's cases) or if they weren't even a thing in the actual series. (ZSS's jet heels.) He'll also do things that just plain don't make any logical sense no matter how far you try to reach. (Ganon/Falcon relationship)

There is nothing stopping him from giving Paper Mario legs.

Also, the biggest thing you were missing:

I WAS JOKING!

Silly. ¦D
 

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Plot Twist: Sakurai puts Paper Mario in the game and gives him legs just so he can fight the same as Mario.

This man gave ZSS glowy heels, made Bowser and Yoshi stand up-right and let I remind you, is the same made who made the Great King of Evil fight the same as a racecar driver that moonlights as a bounty hunter.

He will do WHATEVER we wants if he feels it's necessary and he can get away with it. No matter how drastic, yet small. ¦(
Aw, come here buddy *reaches out for a hug* It'll be alright, Sakurai isn't THAT evil.

At least I hope so, no clones plz Mr. Sakurai I don't want to play as 20 Foxes, 4 Captain Falcons, and 50 sword guys
 

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Aw, come here buddy *reaches out for a hug* It'll be alright, Sakurai isn't THAT evil.

At least I hope so, no clones plz Mr. Sakurai I don't want to play as 20 Foxes, 4 Captain Falcons, and 50 sword guys
Actually, I wouldn't mind 4 Captain Falcons as long as the other 3 were Blood Falcon, Black Shadow and Phoenix from F-Zero GX. ¦D
 

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We need a DK rep before we get ANOTHER mario rep. They need to save someone for Smash 5, Paper Mario may be left for that, or they have noone really

I dont see Smash 5 having as much hype as Smash 4
 
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I feel like its going to be a random vet tonight, someone like Meta Knight.

Its not likely but I feel like its gonna happen.
 

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Lot of stages lately.

Anyway, depending on how much Sakurai plans to reveal before the launch of the 3DS version, we might actually be due for another vet pretty soon. There's only like 35 or so PotD left before it releases in Japan so the current schedule of like 2 or 3 a month won't really do.
 
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Hmm, I feel like we're getting either a veteran reveal, a new Assist Trophy, a new / returning stage, or something else such as the SSB Wii U Menu. I don't know, it's unpredictable. xD
 

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Hmm, I feel like we're getting either a veteran reveal, a new Assist Trophy, a new / returning stage, or something else such as the SSB Wii U Menu. I don't know, it's unpredictable. xD
I feel like we are about to be graced with: an alternate costume and/or palette swap! :smirk:
 

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I'd rather have an alternate costume than any Vet reveal at this point.

my top pics for alt costumes:

Justin Bailey Samus
Bikini Samus from Super Metroid ending
Lobster Shirt Toon Link
Magic Armor Link
Dark Pit
Hyrule Warrors Zelda
Skyward Sword Zelda
Daisy
Alph, Brittany, Charlie
Dr. Mario
Megaman X and Zero
Racing Suit Rosalina

Any big ones I'm forgetting?
 
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