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ExLight, compare Mala's reaction to yours here. Of all the stuff that's happened, this is what mala chose to comment on:this is scary coming from scum
It's unnatural. Town in this case would have found Chaco's shift last night opportunistic and scummy. There's no paranoia at all.Don't think pit is scum. He's been playing very pure town IMO. Only thing is a slight drop in activity later on, but ive had that too, so I can't be one to judge.
Lol you’ve gotta get out that tunnel man.this is scary coming from scum
See what I was saying there too? He doesn’t feel natural at all, and doesn’t even react to 2/4 votes on him. He’s definitely scum, there’s no questioning it at this point.ExLight, compare Mala's reaction to yours here. Of all the stuff that's happened, this is what mala chose to comment on:
It's unnatural. Town in this case would have found Chaco's shift last night opportunistic and scummy. There's no paranoia at all.
What iso? Definitely put your mental health before this game bromorning
I’m depressed and really not wanting to continue the iso considering noone really cares about them anyway
do ya thing idec anymore
I prefer to address cases, and make my judgment of that. There's no point going for a Chaco yeet today, so I'm not going to bring it up close to EoD.ExLight, compare Mala's reaction to yours here. Of all the stuff that's happened, this is what mala chose to comment on:
It's unnatural. Town in this case would have found Chaco's shift last night opportunistic and scummy. There's no paranoia at all.
Plus Go Beyond UltraCover every scenario Xiv.
no traitor? :laprasspin:How you feeling that there's only one member of the scum killing faction left?
The traitor would not be considered part of the scum killing faction.no traitor? :laprasspin:
I'm lost as **** and the fact Mala flipped shows thatEx what’s your thoughts on the two?
I still think the play for today is Laser. Just because a yeet is easy doesn't mean it's wrong, right? That's what I keep asking myself lol.Still potential LyLo. So we are gonna operate under the assumption that traitor is active, all right? DP is town homie. Everyone else, what’s your thoughts?
Z why laser over you?
Laser why Z over you?
Ex what’s your thoughts on the two?
DP what’s up?
Right. His vote was basically meaningless in that scenario, and I think Z was gone for the day? I don’t remember if that was the day before he posted that not. Can’t remember and don’t feel like looking back atm. We got time though to hash it out.I still think the play for today is Laser. Just because a yeet is easy doesn't mean it's wrong, right? That's what I keep asking myself lol.
I'm about to reread Mala though, so I'll see what I think after that.
I really don't see anyone being the traitor, but it's probably still important to treat this as LyLo lol
I didn't really notice until rereading, but Mala was pretty defensive of Laser up until yesterDay. There are a lot more quotes like this lol.I wasn't really able to get a good impression of Laserguy's play last game since he died so early, but I don't see the scum links here. Laserguy has seemed to be methodical, and I agree with his take in post #216 about Pit. Other than that I didn't notice much about him in the read through.
Fonti's vote of laserguy looks really weird to me, as they made a whole post going in on Jack, then dipped out to vote on Laser with little explanation. Fonti could you explain that more? Apologies again if I missed it.
I don't really have anything to add to this, can't decide if it's trying to be a little distancey or if that's just confirmation biasIt seems like both your scum reads are on disengagement, what makes you think a member of scum team is more likely to be disengaged from the game rather than controlling it?
You've played with Xivii a lot before, atleast he seemed to have seen you play a lot before. Is he correct in saying this is his normal town play style? And can you recall anytime he played like this as scum
My point is that your content and push on Laser were a lot stronger and looked more certain and more effort here, something you pointed out. And you dropped the push for not a great reason. This is contrary to the Exlight situation you referred me too. I feel this is odd progression, and that is not.
Grouping these together because they're both about the same thing, again kinda defensive of LaserI don't see how you can compare your posts on Exlight, to your posts on Laser in good faith. I can't read your mind, so all I have to look at is the posts, and the posts don't match up with what you are saying IMO.
I always come back to this post -_-Alright, to make sure it goes that way then. I don't think Xivii is going to pick up at all, and I'd like to avoid a jump onto Laser here.
Vote Frozen Flame
Notes so far on Laser guy, am going to sleep now. Will continue from where I left off tomorrow.
in 55 hops on Chaco fast,then in 137 drops it switching from a vote to a town lean. What recent posts did you like more Laser?
in 131, shows a good reaction IMO and starts his trust of Xivii.
137 gains a townlean on Somi and elaborates why in 150. Not the strongest reasoning, possible Laser Ex connection.
309, drops townlean on Somi, sighting their posts being heavy info over analysis, doubt the connection.
331 explains switch on Somi well.
425 I feel his scum and town reads were incredibly accurate to what the game developed into, Sus on Jack and Somi. I doubt a Laser and Rajam team from this post.
So far posts are lining up with my impression of Laser. No real strong connections on anyone, I think Laser flipping scum means that Exlight is probably town here so far, as well with their vote on Laser.
Possible scum ping is the first part, awaiting explanation for that quick switch without a push on Chaco in between at all from him.
Town ping for progression. Starts of with a mainly meta reason and states gut, but drops it and explains why well.
These posts are interesting because it's two long posts of explaining to everyone why Laser is super townie, concluded by putting him as his weaker town-lean. Shoutout to Z in null-town as well.Final notes on Laser reread.
582 - Chaco was top which feels odd, since Fonti was quite a bit below, but Laser said he thought Fonti was town before her claim, and the claim only solidified it. Possible Chaco and Laser connection from this.
595 - Explains his change of read on NSG in a very similar way to a recent post. Not sure if this is alignment indicative, but it shows Laser isn't just making up reasoning for his switches.
lol the k - vote Frozen other people have brought this up, but if a scum is gonna buss, I don't think they do it like this.
In 1042 - established willingness to vote for people on the Xivii wagon, most suspicion on boom. Him being on Boom at the end of the day, and going into evaluating me and Chaco shows this opinion wasn't faked.
Don't think Laser and Z are likely scummates due to these posts. (these and posts go to different posts. Realized this is confusing.)
1784 - I think these are all pretty good reads, and is they are all consistent with Laser's other posts today.
2000 - wagon analysis, possible from either alignment.
I think thats all the Laser posts up to today.
Verdict on Laser guy is a town lean. He is incredibly consistent with his reasoning, and I don't think there are a lot of feasible candidates for him to be scum buddies with.
This leaves me with a reads lists of:
Town Read - DP, Triss, Xivii
Town Lean - Chaco, Laser
Null town - Exlight, Z25
Scum Read - Rajam
This means I've miscleared someone. I think a Rajam scum flip most indicates Chaco, as he has been defensive of Rajam the most. Ex and Z also probably need a re read at somewhat, but I think I'll have more luck interacting with them to help my reads.
More "Laser is super town" followed by a kinda unnecessary interaction.Thats one of my note pages on Laser, heres the continuation. My town lean on Laser is based on him being consistent with with his reasoning and his reads, and the lack of scumbuddies. I'm looking into some of his recent posts right now.
I personally like wagon analysis, it helped me a lot at the end of last game. I'm not sure if Laser does this often, as the only game I've played with him before he died night 1. It seems like he'd be the type of player to do wagon analysis and fit his reads in with it.
However, I do have to thank you for pointing the wagon analysis back so I went to reread it. I found something interesting.
LaserGuy why do you say Rajam and I are unlikely buddies, then respond to Xivii saying: "Mala/Raj > Chaco wins it" with this feels right?
YesterDay confuses me. Mala had been reading Z as much scummier than Laser all game but completely switched to Laser yesterDay. I believe(?) Laser did the same but I'll have to look back and check what his previous reads were. I'm trying to decide if this is a point against Laser or Z.Also I have finished re reading now. My percentages are still about the same, no shifts in ranking from the last posts I read. Currently willing to yeet laser or Z25. Leaning more towards Laser currently, put him 55% scum, since he has not been consistent with his recent reads, and I feel he is making up his reads on me since several of them have just had wrong information.
Most people had done this too, but trying to get Ninja to interact as a scummate would obviously help him seem more town lolHey Ninja, do you have any thoughts? I'm about to put you at a phat null so anything you have that will help me read you would be nice
Yah but I feel his reasoning for not posting made sense from his perspective in this case.
Kinda defensive of Ninja's slot, similar to Laser's. There's a lot less of this thoughYah, its not rational, but it makes sense from his perspective. He wanted to live to the next day, saw the issue of him dying early as him posting a lot, so set out to fix that. I think its a shame, and hope next game he'll post, but I don't feel its alignment indicative for Ninja.
Boom, what about Z did you see and not like?
Not really sure what to make of this? Interested in what you guys think. It's clearly informed, but I'm not sure if it's more likely to mean that Z is scum or townI agree, theres no way Z and Boom are both scum here, to much genuine back and forth interaction. Sorry I was out, was sleeping.
Both are sitting real comfy in that null spot. Also shoutout to that mild Laser defense at the end. This is unrelated but this also makes me feel really good about Chaco, though I already was pretty confidentActual Ordered Reads List V1 - earlier one was posted early.
DarkPit - Reading through they echoed some thoughts I had, and all their posts were super pure. Their logic tracks and they have solid reasons for who they distrust, but appear to be considering the best options.
Gap--------
Chaco - Has a very high post amount, with most of them actually being on point and good posts. I think thats really hard to fake.
Frozen Flame - Kind of a gut read boosting this one up, but I really liked their post #261. Their logic for their reads was sound.
Trisscar - as I said before I don't see the difference to that game Trisscar that much. They seem to be a bit more proactive, which I think is a good thing and harder to develop as scum. They also are still showing mechanic heavy posts like last game.
Fontisian - When I was first reading through I thought their interactions with Jackrito felt coordinated, but I remembered that it'd be very hard to coordinate that as a scumteam day 1 since they wouldn't of had an opportunity to talk yet. She has also dropped some posts with good logic, specifically in response to some of Xivii's questions.
Laserguy
Boomfrog
3DSNinja
Nonspecificguy
Jackrito
Xivii - Maybe its because Xivii absolutely ruined my trust in him last game, but I'm not liking him this game. He's been jack-rabbiting around a lot, which to me looks like he's fishing for a lynch to catch on. He has been good with defending himself, but I know he can give good logic for his actions as scum too. He also has the weird act of pointing out all the town things he is doing, which I don't get at all.
Somi - They seem to be an experienced player, but they haven't really contributed much of note. Mainly just reacting to posts and making jokes. It feels like they are just trying to stay out of the lime light and not draw attention to themselves while posting.
Honestly a good portion of people are null for me rn that I'd like to see more of. Jackrito was in the scum section originally but I remembered last game and they are acting similar to how they were there. I'd really like to not be wrong about them again.
I would also like more of a case for the people on Laserguy. The argument I see from Fonti and Jack is he hasn't immediately made himself look town to them so he's scum? I would like clarification on that.
Red: Confirmed Maf
Blue: Confirmed town
Green: people I think are town and myself
Teal: leaning towards town
Orange: The others
[4] FrozenFlame: Fonti, Pit, Triss, Xivii
[3] Xivii: BoomFrog, Chaco, Malakandra
[1] BoomFrog: LaserGuy
[2] LaserGuy: NonSpecificGuy, Rajam
[1] Exlight: #HBC | FrozenFlame
Not voting: Exlight, Z25
[7] #HBC | FrozenFlame: Fontisian, Darkpit54, Trisscar, Xivii, LaserGuy, Malakandra, Z25
[3] LaserGuy: NonSpecificGuy, Rajam, ExLight
[2] Xivii: BoomFrog, Chaco
[1] ExLight: #HBC | FrozenFlame
These confuse me because they could both easily be scum due to these. But they aren't. At least as far as Mala would know. And because I can't really tell which seems scummier based on these, I'm just gonna kinda ignore them lol, aside from making me think or poe is probably rightlol.
My reasoning is up to Laser guy the wagon hadn't become assured, after Laser guy voted, he made the wagon a lot more likely since now FF couldn't just self prez vote onto Xivii or Laser. I switched over next and I know I'm town. Z was hella late, but I feel like his overall content had pinged me as more town here.
Mala was very clearly trying to avoid a Frozen yeet. This makes me a lot more confident that his defensiveness would come as a scummate based on his behavior toward FrozenFonti, I see your points on FF. I don't agree with all of them, I think the part about scum power roles could come from either perspective, and the part about agreeing with Z then disagreeing looks to me more like acknowledging sound logic, but providing an alternate explanation. Could you try to explain the part about the scum power roles again? To me it just looks like role analysis.
This distancing was nice. Idk how much more we can get from Frozen, but we should probably be looking for stuff like thisI'll make sure to solve the game on my first read through next time.
Just more trying to avoid a Frozen yeet lolI guess I can see that the argument could make sense, but I just don't see it? IDK, it does seem more focused on the scum feeling of the role game, but not sure if that necessarily has to come from scum. Sorry, you may be making a totally 400 IQ argument here but I don't think I have the experience to get what you are from that.
I bolded the important part lol. Doesn't really help narrow down to one, but look at where Z and Laser are in all of the readlists vs where the rest of us are. I think we're in the right placeHis readslist was wrong sure, but town is wrong more often, and I would think most mafia would put their mates in a null section or low town rather than where pit put FF.
Do I really need to make that argument? Mala laid the ground work since before yesterday to try and get me lynched. Note how he took advantage of Ex having a read on me and voting earlier. I think that clears EX as I doubt Mates try that. Ex has been painted explicitly scummy by Mala’s flip if you look at his actions. That tells me they aren’t teammates much like how I’m not his.Still potential LyLo. So we are gonna operate under the assumption that traitor is active, all right? DP is town homie. Everyone else, what’s your thoughts?
Z why laser over you?
Laser why Z over you?
Ex what’s your thoughts on the two?
DP what’s up?