Midnight Ops Mafia: Game Thread. Game Over!

[LaserGuy]

That was DarkPit

 

[Chaco]

Laser stop trying to paint me as scum, lmao. It ain’t happening dude. I should be pretty much cleared at this point, nothing you can say is gonna change that.
Everybody step back and chill for a second. I’m reading this whole ordeal now.

Darkpit54 youre unvoted correct? I want no votes sitting out right now

 

[ExLight]

I will explain when I get home and can post on a computer, but I think we will probably have to unless you want to yeet on a coin flip.

coin flip is turns the odds of town losing to way less than 50% while lynching me guarantees a 66.67% so yea even a coin flip would be better than lynching me from where I stand

 

[Chaco]

I literally can’t tell if that was a hard slip or not thinking he had hammered Laser.

Bro I swear it would be this game I get broken back in on.

 

[Chaco]

I agree with DP that his reads would make more sense as traitor and trying to provoke mislynches.

There’s literally no reason though if it is indeed LyLo to post what he posted as a gambit because it would be end of game... there wouldn’t be a killing faction left.

 

[Chaco]

He only posts that if it’s a mislynch on townLaser and he knows scumZ25 and he just won. There’s zero benefit to in trying to force away a NK on a that due to what he’s saying.

 

[Chaco]

I can’t see any likelihood in where what he’s saying is legit due to the circumstances that are here. If he thinks he hammered and says GG town Im traitor, that would mean LyLo and we lost the game. Not redirecting an NK to more likelihood if hitting traitor, let alone Scum wouldn’t go for Ex anyways here. They’d go for me or DP 100%.

Let me think on this more. No one do anything involving votes. Laser make that post when you get home, I wanna see what you’re thinking.

 

[ExLight]

He only posts that if it’s a mislynch on townLaser and he knows scumZ25 and he just won. There’s zero benefit to in trying to force away a NK on a that due to what he’s saying.

if it was a mislynch claiming traitor reduces the odds of scum hitting town, whoever is the remaining scum doesn't know who the traitor is and a town doing that turns a 66.67% odd into 50%

 

[Darkpit54]

Darkpit54 Darkpit54 youre unvoted correct? I want no votes sitting out right now

Yes, I unvoted.

Bad Town is bad town, traitor is traitor.
They both play REALLY different.
If you think I’m the traitor, which is ludicrous, you can go reread the thread and pick the posts where you think I tried to call out main mafia’s attention because that’s how we won after exposing Poy in sorcerer.

(There's no hmm emoji )

crackpot hot theory I had since D2, Laser is the traitor with Z25 and Chaco

for some reason they bus FF, probably because they thought they wouldn’t get lynched instead, which ends up sentencing the partner
(whoops bus gone wrong)

tries to call Chaco and Z25 attention with readslist, putting them in VERY noticeable spots and then moving them abruptly

once Z25/Chaco somehow notice him he cancels the sudo bussing and starts focusing all in on someone else (in D3’s case Rajam and Mala); either that or he realizes that if he keeps poking there he might reveal their partners if he gets lynched (iirc people were starting to comment a Laser lynch possibly if Rajam was town)

crackpot solution: Lynch z25 or chaco (z pls), and if he flips scum lynch Laser, and if he flips traitor we lynch Chaco

This points more towards Scum Laser if Ex is traitor, though his recent play does not. UNLESS he knew that that wasn't hammer, is traitor with Laser, and wanted to distract from the Laser yeet. In which case he succeeded lol.

Ex, have you played traitor in a previous game? You said you have experience with the role but I don't think I saw if you've ever played it?

let alone Scum wouldn’t go for Ex anyways here. They’d go for me or DP 100%.

Ooh I thought the same thing

Ultimately kinda just confused

 

[ExLight]

Ex, have you played traitor in a previous game? You said you have experience with the role but I don't think I saw if you've ever played it?

no, I haven't

 

[Chaco]

That would be like a 5000IQ play and I’m just not seeing that he the case here. That’s a much more convoluted answer for something that has a simpler one.

 

[ExLight]

That would be like a 5000IQ play and I’m just not seeing that he the case here. That’s a much more convoluted answer for something that has a simpler one.

I tried to increase town odds of winningggg by making scum choose between 1town vs 1traitor rather than 2 town vs 1traitor
:v :v :v

 

[Chaco]

The only silver lining I see here is that Ex was asking UP about scum having to hit nontraitor to win, otherwise I would say 100% just go ahead and lynch Z25 and win. But the post beforehand and within his post leaves reasonable doubt.

Ultimately though you just made the game harder to win, I understand the gambit to some degree, but town doesn’t need to use gambits all the time. See how much of a mess Xivii caused at first? Took me til D3-4 to understand why and that was after he claimed Voy.

I need to think k seriously about this game for a bit.

 

[Chaco]

I think if it was a scumrush he would’ve just dropped hammer and wouldn’t have the theatrics beforehand. It would’ve been vote and gg town I’m traitor, not in waiting to see about this, okay he confirmed this.

Hmm. Curious. UtopianPoyzin Can you confirm that Exlight asked you outside of game the question you answered in game afterwards?

Sorry to meta here, but it convolutes the game otherwise.

 

[ExLight]

why does my pinkie promise mean nothing to yall
; -;

I'm a man of honor

 

[Chaco]

Because I wanted to believe Frozen wasn’t buttoning me in his pocket as well

 

[Darkpit54]

That would be like a 5000IQ play and I’m just not seeing that he the case here. That’s a much more convoluted answer for something that has a simpler one.

Maybe so, and maybe I'm just too paranoid. Honestly I have no idea how much IQ I should be preparing for, so it feels safer not to assume scum will only make simple, predictable plays. All I know is he unvoted within minutes of voting when he would have had nothing to lose by staying on, and I wasn't on yet, so Z could've easily jumped on and misyeeted in that situation.

...my head hurts

I tried looking at Somi and he had... very little content, all of it relating to Laser, 3ds, or Xivii:

I don't think LG voted you just for being newbie, that was just circumstantial to the odd remark you made about finding power roles.

Hmm, I think that makes sense.

Yes, but now you're just jumping out ofthe frying pan into the fire.

I didn't read back or anything, but I don't really like the LaserGuy lynch. I'm not really at the top of my game, but I haven't noticed anything suspicious about them (and they're one of the few players I'm familiar with, so supposedly it should be easier).

3DSNinja is the only one I have any impression of and they give me flailing newbie town vibes. However I've seen an actual newbie pull something like this as mafia, so I have this niggling doubt and I'd gun for them on policy, but the flip would yield absolutely zero useful information.

Not exactly super helpful lol

 

[Darkpit54]

why does my pinkie promise mean nothing to yall
; -;

I'm a man of honor

We'll see in 3 to 5 business days. I want to believe you bro. I really do

 

[ExLight]

I'll do
a n y t h i n g
yall want after the game
if I'm scum

please just trust me here I swear I had the best intentions and I'm just dummiest town that ever stepped on earth

 

[Z25]

Darkpit you should unvote before z25 get online. I've hard cleared but they can still quickhammer.

Yes because me the person who said he wasn’t going to hammer was going to coming and hammer. Your just trying to make up any reason at this point to paint slots scummy.

I tried to increase town odds of winningggg by making scum choose between 1town vs 1traitor rather than 2 town vs 1traitor
:v :v :v

Correct me if I’m wrong, but scum would know your traitor. So why would they vote for you if your traitor?

 

[ExLight]

ISOing me will be a waste of time because my playstyle as both alignments is to generate TMI and you could be using that energy to try finding the real scum instead

my reads were Z25/Chaco/Laser throughout the entire game, and all three of them are alive you're just going to lose your minds like that View attachment 280519

 

[ExLight]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but scum would know your traitor. So why would they vote for you if your traitor?

what? I'm talking about the night kill

 

[Z25]

Also:

-Ex: “why would you put a vote out there and risk an early hammer if there’s a traitor?”

Ex today: (WOOOOO! I’m traitor GG, that’s hammer!”

What? If your town you completely contradicted what you said to me.

 

[Z25]

what? I'm talking about the night kill

Ok but what? So you would yeet laser who if you were traitor wouldn’t be scum based on what you said. So why would scum kill you if they had two townies left?

How does pretending to be a traitor when scum would know your lying make sense? I could be missing something but I’m greatly confused.

 

[ExLight]

Ok but what? So you would yeet laser who if you were traitor wouldn’t be scum based on what you said. So why would scum kill you if they had two townies left?

How does pretending to be a traitor when scum would know your lying make sense? I could be missing something but I’m greatly confused.

Town1, Town2, Mafia, Traitor

Noone claims to be traitor -> Mafia has to pick between Town1, Town2, Traitor; 1/3 (33.33%) chance of hitting the traitor
Town1 claims to be traitor -> Traitor doesn't counterclaim, Mafia has to pick between Town2 and the Traitor, 50% chance of hitting the traitor
Town1 claims to be traitor -> Traitor counterclaims, Mafia has to pick between the Town1 and the Traitor, 50% of hitting the traitor

 

[ExLight]

traitor when scum would know your lying make sense?

what are you talking about
scum doesn't know who the traitor is

 

[Z25]

I think if it was a scumrush he would’ve just dropped hammer and wouldn’t have the theatrics beforehand. It would’ve been vote and gg town I’m traitor, not in waiting to see about this, okay he confirmed this.

Hmm. Curious. UtopianPoyzin Can you confirm that Exlight asked you outside of game the question you answered in game afterwards?

Sorry to meta here, but it convolutes the game otherwise.

I may be wrong but with a traitor, 3 would have been hammer right?

 

[ExLight]

the fact people are having a headache trying to figure out shows that it's not an expected strategy, scum could see through it, but it's very unlikely they would
even if that happened it was likely that the real traitor counterclaimed since that's probably a natural first instinct

 

[Z25]

what are you talking about
scum doesn't know who the traitor is

Ok now I’m a little less confused. I was thinking they did no who it was but not the other way around.

But no one else was claiming traitor and it might not be in the game, it’s a pretty safe bet for scum to not choose you imo.

 

[ExLight]

noone else claimed traitor because I'm a dumb **** and did that at the wrong time :v
even if they didn't, them not choosing me is the point, they have to shoot between the real traitor and the other town

 

[Z25]

noone else claimed traitor because I'm a dumb **** and did that at the wrong time :v
even if they didn't, them not choosing me is the point, they have to shoot between the real traitor and the other town

But they would actually have to believe a traitor is present. Which is honesty a 50/50 shot that they are convinced by it.

 

[ExLight]

But they would actually have to believe a traitor is present. Which is honesty a 50/50 shot that they are convinced by it.

if there was no traitor present the next day phase would happen and it would prove I was lying about being the traitor

 

[Z25]

And if there really is a traitor then you have ultimately hammered our day phase because nothing after that 2nd vote would matter right? Because Traitor’s vote counts towards scum not town, correct?

 

[Z25]

Essentially what I mean is that if there’s a traitor, it’s 2 vote for majority right?

 

[ExLight]

And if there really is a traitor then you have ultimately hammered our day phase because nothing after that 2nd vote would matter right? Because Traitor’s vote counts towards scum not town, correct?

I hammered because Laser is in the PoE and then claimed traitor in case we were wrong
if he was main scum we would've won, if he was traitor my claim would be obvious lie
so there was nothing making it seem a bad idea

but I'm stupid and don't know how to count to 3

Essentially what I mean is that if there’s a traitor, it’s 2 vote for majority right?

uh no, even with traitor it's 3

 

[ExLight]

Essentially what I mean is that if there’s a traitor, it’s 2 vote for majority right?

unless you mean 1 traitor and 2 town
but I think the game just ends because traitor can't do factional kill so it can't overcome town

 

[Z25]

I hammered because Laser is in the PoE and then claimed traitor in case we were wrong
if he was main scum we would've won, if he was traitor my claim would be obvious lie
so there was nothing making it seem a bad idea

but I'm stupid and don't know how to count to 3 View attachment 280522


uh no, even with traitor it's 3

I see, I’m guessing you missed the Chaco unvote?

 

[Z25]

unless you mean 1 traitor and 2 town
but I think the game just ends because traitor can't do factional kill so it can't overcome town

I was talking about if traitor counts as scum technically, then I was asking if their vote would affect the majority lynch at play here.

 

[ExLight]

I see, I’m guessing you missed the Chaco unvote?

yea oof

 

[ExLight]

I was talking about if traitor counts as scum technically, then I was asking if their vote would affect the majority lynch at play here.

majority is always (number of players/2) rounded up
so 5 players = 2.5 -> 3 votes to hammer