OK 32 man is much more reasonable for swiss but tbh its STILL a lot worse....you even said it yourself it'd take 1.5 more hours (I don't know why you're downplaying that; thats a lot of time).
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With 32 players you'd do 4 pools of 8. Since you're at 2.5 setups per pool, it'd take you 3 hours max (2.5 hours more likely but whatever).
It'd take me like 15-20 mins to make pools (though you ought to be making em during teams so this really shouldnt affect the estimation). Swiss is actually much harder because you have to rank players EXACTLY instead of just approximations (in pools you just separate the top 4 into diff pools, whereas in swiss you have to rank the top 4 individually). Inputting results for such a small local takes next to no time, especially since the pools will come in one at a time since there is an uneven amount of setups. Making bracket takes 10 minutes max; tio generates it perfectly and you just move whatever you think is bad.
So overall lets say 3.5 hours with players getting 7 rounds of sets and 50% of the players eliminated (you'd go into 16 man bracket). 16 man bracket takes ~1.5-2 hours so the entire thing can be done in a little over 5 hours. Thats pretty good. Add a 16 man team bracket and lets just say 7 hours. Tourney starts at 1 everything wraps up by 8. Everyone's happy.
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For swiss
After R1: 16 1-0s, 16 0-1s
After R2: 8 2-0s, 16 1-1s, 8 0-2s
After R3: 4 3-0s, 12 2-1s, 12 1-2s, 4 0-3s
After R4: 2 4-0s, 8 3-1s, 12 2-2s, 8 1-3s, 2 0-4s
After R5: 1 5-0, 5 4-1s, 10 3-2s, 10 2-3s, 5 1-4s, 1 0-5
So obviously you shouldn't do a 6 man bracket since thats whack as ****, so instead you can do a 16 man (the numbers work well for 32 like I said before but just imagine if you had...31. Pools solves this by having a single 7 man pool but for swiss you need a bye. And that bye has to play every. single. round. I could go into why that sucks and causes a **** ton of problems, but needless to say its a lot more complicated).
OK so for a 16 man bracket
1 5-0
5 4-1s
10 3-2s
So which 3-2 is going to match up with the 5-0? How can you fairly determine it? Two 3-2s have to face other 3-2s, while the other 8 have to fight a 5-0 ora 4-1. How do you decide that? And what was the point of the "hype" swiss round 5 grand finals if they both just have to play 3-2s anyway? Let alone the repeats issue I've already mentioned...
It'd take 5 hours to get to bracket. Plus a teams and singles 16 man bracket and you're talking an 8.5 hour tournament for 5 rounds versus the 7 you'd get from pools. Not the worst (as I said, swiss isn't too bad with locals numbers), but decidedly less efficient.
Plus
its a local. Shouldnt the TO be allowed to play and have fun? With round robin you just hand people the sheet and it runs itself. And then after the bracket is made ppl just update it on the laptop themselves. Swiss requires micromanagement and is stressful to run. It makes TOing a local hard, and frankly, that should never be the case.
idk swiss at locals isn't TOO bad but I think its worse in every way. I don't see one appreciable thing you gain out of it
@Crimson, there are plenty of peices of software to help run Swiss. Challonge does it. Plus, not all 5-1 players are actually ranked as a tie. Strength of schedule separates them.
Challonge is nice but I greatly prefer sticking with our own software which we have our own developers working on.
And strength of schedule separation is utterly terrible lol
I do SEO stuff at work so I'd love to help on that end as well. Who should I talk to about that?
