Melee Air dodge VS Brawl Air dodge! Discuss, which one should be in Brawl+?

[storm92]

One Brawl AD is IMO worse than MAD or BAD.
And yes, I will continue to use abbreviations because they're fun.

Anyways, I think if we keep the BAD then we should find a medium. Not so much the exact medium that you're proposing Marioblaze, but instead what I said somewhere earlier that you have one BAD but after that you can jump/attack/upB after it, but you only have one AD while you're in the air.
It helps to keep the edgeguarding game up, which really is my biggest annoyance with the regular BAD, while allowing for more options than does MAD where if you use it off-stage, you're dead unless the opponent tries to show off.
Comments?

 

[kupo15]

Please wait on a poll. I was distracted with the excitement for my video. I hope to have it done soon. Its little things now

 

[MBlaze]

One Brawl AD is IMO worse than MAD or BAD.
And yes, I will continue to use abbreviations because they're fun.

Anyways, I think if we keep the BAD then we should find a medium. Not so much the exact medium that you're proposing Marioblaze, but instead what I said somewhere earlier that you have one BAD but after that you can jump/attack/upB after it, but you only have one AD while you're in the air.
It helps to keep the edgeguarding game up, which really is my biggest annoyance with the regular BAD, while allowing for more options than does MAD where if you use it off-stage, you're dead unless the opponent tries to show off.
Comments?

I really don't see how thats worse than regular BAD at all...

 

[storm92]

I really don't see how thats worse than regular BAD at all...

Well what I mean is its basically taking MAD and BAD and mashing them together. With one BAD, there's less options for the player than all the other ADs we have, whether it be MAD, the one I am proposing, or regular BAD. It's like MAD where its a commitment when you use it off-stage, but you can't recover with it or use it to get back onstage, unlike MAD.

 

[K 2]

Wouldn't you have to have MAD for wavedashing, which is a large part of Brawl+ (along with hitstun and l-cancelling)?

 

[storm92]

It's not a large part, it does open up a ton of new options for movement and approaching, but it's more of an optional thing.
Hitstun, auto L-canceling, no tripping, and the fixing of shields are the primary parts of Brawl+.

 

[kupo15]

Wouldn't you have to have MAD for wavedashing, which is a large part of Brawl+ (along with hitstun and l-cancelling)?

Wavedashing isnt a big part of brawl+ and it should not be IMO

 

[metaXzero]

^IYO (In your opinion).

 

[ChronoPenguin]

No Wavedashing pl0x.
Im tired of god killing kittens everytime somebody does it T_T.
I just buried fluffy >.>

how about we leave Brawls Air dodge at the core the same, instead of introducing this MD mumbo fumbo >.>

 

[K 2]

fixing of shields? as in? That's a new one to me

 

[Starscream]

fixing of shields? as in? That's a new one to me

As in adding shield stun.

 

[Wallehh]

I agree with your reasons, they make sense and air dodging would be better off your way.

 

[MBlaze]

I agree with your reasons, they make sense and air dodging would be better off your way.

It really would, punishable Brawl Air dodge = win.

 

[zeldamaster2006]

Melee air dodge (and therefore wavedashing) was taken out of Brawl because it was a glitch to begin with. I am honestly shocked that people can be stupid enough to want to readd GLITCHES (glitch - a result not intended by the programmers) to the game. The no-tripping code is alright in very serious play (assuming there are no bugs with it) but otherwise I disagree with it strongly.

 

[Kraryo]

I like only one BAD in the air, because I don't like spammable air dodges.

 

[Sensai]

This may already have been explained (I'm admitting to the fact I haven't read through the first 4 pages of this) but I feel that I would give my opinion.

Disclaimer: I don't like Brawl at all. I bought it and quickly realized this and have put in just enough time to beat the SSE into the game.

The air dodge from Brawl is what should be in Brawl+. If you put in the air dodge from Melee, that's fine, but you're essentially making it Melee 2.0...and if that's what everyone wants, great. But, it ceases to be Brawl+ then and transforms into Melee 2.0.

My vote goes to the Brawl air dash simply because we're already played Melee to death, and while some people would care for a Melee 2.0, a lot of us would really like a new game to play.

 

[metaXzero]

Melee air dodge (and therefore wavedashing) was taken out of Brawl because it was a glitch to begin with. I am honestly shocked that people can be stupid enough to want to readd GLITCHES (glitch - a result not intended by the programmers) to the game. The no-tripping code is alright in very serious play (assuming there are no bugs with it) but otherwise I disagree with it strongly.

OMFG!! WAVEDASH WAS NOT A GLITCH! IT WAS AN EXPLOIT RESULTING FROM MELEE'S AIRDODGE AND GENERAL SMASH PHYSICS! SAKURAI EVEN KNEW ABOUT IT DURING MELEE'S DEV. STAGE! IT WAS REMOVED (actually the airdodge was just changed)BECAUSE SAKURAI HATES COMPETITION! LOOK UP YOUR FACTS BEFORE SPEWING THAT CRAP!*deep sigh*

And who care about what Sakurai and the dev. team intended? THEY DIDN'T WANT US TO PLAY SMASH COMPETITIVELY!

sorry. I hate those types of post about Wavedashing.

 

[MBlaze]

This may already have been explained (I'm admitting to the fact I haven't read through the first 4 pages of this) but I feel that I would give my opinion.

Disclaimer: I don't like Brawl at all. I bought it and quickly realized this and have put in just enough time to beat the SSE into the game.

The air dodge from Brawl is what should be in Brawl+. If you put in the air dodge from Melee, that's fine, but you're essentially making it Melee 2.0...and if that's what everyone wants, great. But, it ceases to be Brawl+ then and transforms into Melee 2.0.

My vote goes to the Brawl air dash simply because we're already played Melee to death, and while some people would care for a Melee 2.0, a lot of us would really like a new game to play.

Very good reasons along side my own.

Kupo, you gonna pm Phantom Wings for the code?

 

[storm92]

Melee air dodge (and therefore wavedashing) was taken out of Brawl because it was a glitch to begin with. I am honestly shocked that people can be stupid enough to want to readd GLITCHES (glitch - a result not intended by the programmers) to the game. The no-tripping code is alright in very serious play (assuming there are no bugs with it) but otherwise I disagree with it strongly.

Quite possibly the worst post on this topic, you don't even address MAD vs BAD and then use incorrect information to say MAD causes glitches. Which as meta explained, it was a side-effect of the physics engine. Everyone knows that here, stop believing all the propaganda ---- you see on Youtube.
Any comments on my idea? You can jump, attack, or upB after you use one BAD but no more than one?

 

[kupo15]

I would be willing to try one BAD while still doing anything afterwards except another AD unless you are hit. So basically brawls current AD restricted to one like I said on the GSC boards.

 

[MBlaze]

I would be willing to try one BAD while still doing anything afterwards except another AD unless you are hit. So basically brawls current AD restricted to one like I said on the GSC boards.

That's what I'm saying in the first post. lol

 

[Banjodorf]

wut?

It's uses are the same as in Melee (though everybody now has a good Wavedash). It's far from useless. Really, the current lack of a decent Dash Dance make it MORE useful. And why wouldn't it have no place in Brawl?

These are my feelings as well.

Wavedashing would improve a great many terrible characters, and would help seperate "the good from the bad" as it were.

 

[MuBa]

I really like wavedashing in Brawl+

I don't care if it becomes Melee 2.0 by what idiots say.

 

[zxeon]

Find a way to put them both in? Both MAD and BAD. Then you have all the best choices. Why does Melee have to be such a hot button issue with brawl players?(I know why but you won't like it if I say it.)

 

[MBlaze]

Find a way to put them both in? Both MAD and BAD. Then you have all the best choices. Why does Melee have to be such a hot button issue with brawl players?(I know why but you won't like it if I say it.)

Lol cuz tehy r teh suxx0rz

 

[JacobWins]

Hitstun + No tripping should be all...

 

[kupo15]

Im seeing that brawl is really competitive and the bad characters are good now with more hitstun. When you have shield stun, then it will be perfect. But we will still try DD.

So why do you guys think that you need (not want) wavedashing for brawl to be competitive?

 

[ChronoPenguin]

Wave dashing.
excuse my language.

Can go **** itself up the bathroom wall until it can no longer walk, falls silently to the floor and cries of how it hates its life.

Thats something for melee, Brawl is brawl, melee is melee, Wavedashing, Is not needed for Brawl +.
Honestly the other things you could add instead of Melee Airdodge....that should stay for something like maybe an online battle or something.
If Brawl+ gets a standard for it's cult following....Melee air dodge shouldn't be in it.


Hitstun, No tripping first.
Then L-canceling likely comes second.

Then everything else is just filler >.>

 

[kupo15]

Wave dashing.
excuse my language.

Can go **** itself up the bathroom wall until it can no longer walk, falls silently to the floor and cries of how it hates its life.

Thats something for melee, Brawl is brawl, melee is melee, Wavedashing, Is not needed for Brawl +.
Honestly the other things you could add instead of Melee Airdodge....that should stay for something like maybe an online battle or something.
If Brawl+ gets a standard for it's cult following....Melee air dodge shouldn't be in it.


Hitstun, No tripping first.
Then L-canceling likely comes second.

Then everything else is just filler >.>

LOL. Very well put! That is pretty much how me and my friends think about wavedashing

I think shield stun should be on that list also so ppl dont camp inside their shields. It gives this form of camping more reward with the ability to combo.

 

[Marc]

The Melee air dodge doesn't work at all in Brawl IMO. Brawl is very floaty and was designed to have more aerial combat. In Melee you could get past an attacker with a well-timed air dodge, in Brawl you're still nowhere close to the ground after a dodge. Especially characters like Pit and MK can just keep beating you up. You also don't need the momentum because everyone can get back from pretty much anywhere regardless. Having the Melee air dodge in Brawl feels forced and if you want Melee mechanics like this one so badly, you should just play Melee.

 

[zxeon]

If you have to Airdodge with the melee airdodge just do it away from your opponent and towards the ground. That should solve the problems of getting away from attackers.

 

[MBlaze]

The Melee air dodge doesn't work at all in Brawl IMO. Brawl is very floaty and was designed to have more aerial combat. In Melee you could get past an attacker with a well-timed air dodge, in Brawl you're still nowhere close to the ground after a dodge. Especially characters like Pit and MK can just keep beating you up. You also don't need the momentum because everyone can get back from pretty much anywhere regardless. Having the Melee air dodge in Brawl feels forced and if you want Melee mechanics like this one so badly, you should just play Melee.

Yeah, multiple jumpers would **** harder in the air than they already do..

 

[Starscream]

I really like wavedashing in Brawl+

I don't care if it becomes Melee 2.0 by what idiots say.

I wouldn't care if this became Melee 2.0 either, but this wavedash is so different than Melee's that it's ********. And I don't mean different good either.

 

[MBlaze]

I wouldn't care if this became Melee 2.0 either, but this wavedash is so different than Melee's that it's ********. And I don't mean different good either.

Very true.

 

[KirinBlaze]

We played with hitstun, auto L-Cancel (I prefer S-Cancel for Brawl+), and no tripping of course at school the other day and it just felt alot better with no MAD. While it is fun to do I think Brawl+ is better suited without MAD and just the standard for Brawl. The current hitstun code allows for enough combos, to the point where once you're in you sometimes can't get out (depending on the degree you have on your wii of course) so maybe we do need a way to escape at one point like if the opponent screws up the combo or something.

So yeah, no MAD. The natural tendancy for most Brawl players to air dodge screws you over too with MAD.

 

[MuBa]

Question, can we make an airdodge that you can slowly DI anywhere but is still going according to gravity? (Like a mix b/w MAD and BAD?)


Or should I say a more DI-able Brawl Air Dodge but not as linear and solid as Melee's?

That way we can still get Brawl's Air Dodge while being able to wavedash.

 

[zxeon]

Question, can we make an airdodge that you can slowly DI anywhere but is still going according to gravity? (Like a mix b/w MAD and BAD?)


Or should I say a more DI-able Brawl Air Dodge but not as linear and solid as Melee's?

That way we can still get Brawl's Air Dodge while being able to wavedash.

This sounds like a good idea. Just kind of remove the pause at the end and there you go right? Call it Brawl directional airdodge.

 

[MuBa]

This sounds like a good idea. Just kind of remove the pause at the end and there you go right? Call it Brawl directional airdodge.

Yea, be able to remove the pause but the DI shouldn't be as hard and linear as MAD, but has enough push to be able to waveland and wavedash.

 

[IWontGetOverTheDam]

Brawl airdodges.

 

[Jiangjunizzy]

Brawl airdodges.

i see you earned that title of yours well