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[#HBC | Kary]

Yeah I'd really prefer if we just roll with a Badwolf lynch today.

Too early to call the scumteam but I think this is the way to go.

Only thing bugging me is why Badwolf didn't jump Ori as a target, but ehh.

 

[Dooms]

Masquerain
Not sure what to make of what you're doing. So far it just seems like you're calling for the lynch of anyone who does anything. You're getting on my case an awful lot for pursuing my reads. If you don't like my methods, then do better. I'm hunting scum here.
- Null with a hint of scum

LOL.

Why am I not lynching Loli, Kary, or Gheb?

Pushing your reads? You're making reaching statements against BadWolf that could easily be argued against. The things previous to his "**** it I don't need reads" statement that you were pushing weren't scummy in the slightest.

I don't need to do better than you when you're playing like ****. Get your head out of your *** and do something useful why don't you?

What happened to this, too?

So where's Ori? Or anyone else, for that matter?

I agree that Masque's thoughts on Ori may very well be valid. I won't truly know what to think until Ori comes in here and responds to it.

How did it go from, "Masquerain's thoughts may be valid" to "I don't know where that suspicion on you came from"? Was his defense really that well thought out? Maybe you forgot the part that everything he said was irrelevant to my post.

He says that he could tell that Rake was playing a specific way, but the reality of it is that he openly stated in his posts that he hasn't read much into the slot at all. He didn't even comment on the BadWolf side of things at all. He just tried to shut down my post based on the Rake side.

What made you go from "Masq may have a legit read on him" to "I don't know where the suspicions on you came from?"

And yes, I still want you dead. Probably over BadWolf. If you're going to read the people that go against you like this, then you should probably be dead and it's pretty likely that you're scum.

 

[LoliLovesRain]

I've posted waaaay more than just my push on Badwolf. What about you guys? You get Nightkilled, and all you've ****ing done is say you think me and badwolf are fighting with each other and you think one of us might be scum. The amount of content I've posted OUTSIDE of my Badwolf push is still more than half the players in this game.

I fail to see how me pursuing my reads makes me look so suspicious. I'm honestly baffled.

And I aint getting lynched today.

All of that was not necessary. I just wanted to know what you thought of others you're getting way too aggressive. I never said it made you look suspicious that you were pursuing your reads just that i never saw anything from you other than badwolf as scum

Thank you for posting your reads in the post before this one

Also, how are you certain you will not get lynched?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I honestly forgot about the whole Masque v Ori thing, probably because it didn't go anywhere.

Also, how are you certain you will not get lynched?

because I'm town

 

[Dooms]

I've posted waaaay more than just my push on Badwolf. What about you guys? You get Nightkilled, and all you've ****ing done is say you think me and badwolf are fighting with each other and you think one of us might be scum. The amount of content I've posted OUTSIDE of my Badwolf push is still more than half the players in this game.

Soup you better reward me with something for replacing into a game with this guy.

If we're talking about what you've done recently, then all you've done is "LOL I don't need to look elsewhere because badwolf is scum and everyone that is pressuring me is ********" and shared a read list which is eh at best (only people you have as scum are the people that have pressured you).

I hope you take this "whoever votes/pressures me is scum or sheeping" mentality into a non-newbie game so you get butt devastated day one and realize how ******** it is to play this way. Like seriously I can't believe you have me as scum for "Calling a lynch for anyone that does anything" when right now there are so many things going against that statement.

1) Everyone is deciding between BadWolf and you. You only chose me because I'm siding with you over BadWolf.

2) There are others posting besides you.

3) Loli is doing WAY more **** than you right now. Kary is also doing just as much as you. Both of which are people that I have as town right now.

It's not my fault if you and BadWolf happen to have the most posts, but are both playing like ****. It happens. Make a better statement on me if you actually think you're not just reaching with an OMGUS read.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Soup you better reward me with something for replacing into a game with this guy.

If we're talking about what you've done recently, then all you've done is "LOL I don't need to look elsewhere because badwolf is scum and everyone that is pressuring me is ********" and shared a read list which is eh at best (only people you have as scum are the people that have pressured you).

I hope you take this "whoever votes/pressures me is scum or sheeping" mentality into a non-newbie game so you get butt devastated day one and realize how ******** it is to play this way. Like seriously I can't believe you have me as scum for "Calling a lynch for anyone that does anything" when right now there are so many things going against that statement.

1) Everyone is deciding between BadWolf and you. You only chose me because I'm siding with you over BadWolf.

2) There are others posting besides you.

3) Loli is doing WAY more **** than you right now. Kary is also doing just as much as you. Both of which are people that I have as town right now.

It's not my fault if you and BadWolf happen to have the most posts, but are both playing like ****. It happens. Make a better statement on me if you actually think you're not just reaching with an OMGUS read.

Wait a second here. You're gonna call me scum for the same reason I thought Badwolf was scum.

Seems legit

And I read you as null sir, stop getting all butthurt.

 

[Dooms]

You're kidding, right? Nice job ignoring everything else btw

I'll start off with this:

You've shown obviously that you don't think I'm town. "Null with a hint of scum" also makes this obvious as well. I'm 95% sure that the only reason you have me as a null scum lean instead of a full scum read is because of the fact that BadWolf is still here. Anyone that has read could see that pretty easily.

Next:

BadWolf was CONSTANTLY being pressured in thread. Like non-stop, someone was pressuring him. He was having to defend himself every time he posted. With this, I understood why he thought you/Rake were scummy. You were pressuring one person that is really easy to lynch.

Also, there's a HUGE difference between me going after you and you going after BadWolf. BadWolf hasn't shown reads. BadWolf, at the time, also showed interest in getting more reads in general. The fact that he is voting you isn't shocking because you're tunneling him to the point where it's a "me or him" situation. The people around him have made it obvious as well that either you or him are going today. You're pushing him for something that he doesn't have any choice in, and boy are you reaching for your points while doing it.

You've presented all of your reads. All of the reads that may go against you have back doors that allow you to change them to null-scum. Loli? Called her a sheep and moved her to a town lean, the sheep part meaning you can turn that into a scum read pretty easily. Gheb was a null. Ori null. Orbo was the definition of a back-door read. The only people that you have as legit town are people that have shown major interest in lynching BadWolf over you. BSP and Kary.

@BSP/whoever else has asked me stuff: I just realized on re-read that I was asked stuff that I didn't get to. I'll do that in a bit. Time for some Pokemon :D

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@MODERATOR: Deadline is tomorrow night, right? 12AM is ambiguous.

Also votecount PLZ

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@Loli, Ori, BSP:

Are you still undecided as to PJB or Badwolf for toDay?

If yes please do let me know.
If not, you should probably vote one way or the other.

 

[LoliLovesRain]

I'd prefer getting rid of PJB over BadWolf.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

PJB, what are we supposed to do if we lynch Badwolf and he flips scum?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Badwolf was most certainly not constantly being pressured. That is a massive overstatement. There were literally DAYS between the time Rake ended his push on Badwolf, and when I began mine. He had lots of time to do something outside of defending himself, but he didn't.

And you keep on harping on me for pushing him with little evidence, but me reaching hardcore to make it seem like a lot. Well guess what, it worked. He fuggin cracked.

You know what? **** it. I have my vote placed and that's where it's staying, to hell with reads.

This right here confirms my suspicions. He basically told us, in front of god and everybody, that he doesn't want to read the other players in the game. Why would a townie do this? How can we catch scum if people are not, ya know, playing the game.

I had to blow up my evidence to look like more than it was, because it was the only ****ing thing that had happened in the whole goddamn inactive game. I can't make a push with evidence that the person being pressured doesn't think is credible. If he knows it's bull****, he'll just say "ok, that's bull****. so what?" Which Badwolf more or less did. But once Kary got on him, all of a sudden it became a credible threat, and he lost his cool, and said some **** he shouldn't have. I know it was me getting lucky, and that maybe tunneling badwolf might not have been an "optimal strategy". But ya know what? I was tired of sitting on my ****ing hands all day not doing **** while the lynch deadline slowly approached, and nobody was doing anything. The only reason we all have stuff to talk about right now is because of me taking some initiative, so you're welcome.

You can make your move however you want, I don't care. I'm not scared in the slightest by your push on me, because I know I'm not going anywhere.

 

[Ori_bro]

@Loli, Ori, BSP:

Are you still undecided as to PJB or Badwolf for toDay?

If yes please do let me know.
If not, you should probably vote one way or the other.

I'm looking at how both have been posting thus far today. I'm definitely leaning more towards BW. If he flips town, you can bet I'm voting PJB.


So i guess i'll get this out there.

Vote: Badwolf

 

[#HBC | Joker]

PJB, what are we supposed to do if we lynch Badwolf and he flips scum?

I honestly don't know. We'll basically be starting over from scratch, but at least we'll have gotten 1 scum out of the way.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Sorry but PJB obviously has no intention to actually consider options. I find no reason to assume his play to be pro-town in any way. His response to my question is prove of that.

 

[LoliLovesRain]

I'm still willing to vote for PJB i'd much rather him over Badwolf so without further ado

Voterivate joker brown

 

[Ori_bro]

I wish we could get a vote count.

 

[Dooms]

On re-read of the situation, BadWolf definitely looks more like slot not caring anymore than instant scum. His "if he flips town, then just lynch me" statement makes it seem that way. There's no way he can have confirmation that he's scum. It really just seems like he's given up at this point.

I'd rather lynch a scummy than a townie that has given up, which is what I feel that BadWolf is.

Badwolf was most certainly not constantly being pressured. That is a massive overstatement. There were literally DAYS between the time Rake ended his push on Badwolf, and when I began mine. He had lots of time to do something outside of defending himself, but he didn't.

And you keep on harping on me for pushing him with little evidence, but me reaching hardcore to make it seem like a lot. Well guess what, it worked. He fuggin cracked.


This right here confirms my suspicions. He basically told us, in front of god and everybody, that he doesn't want to read the other players in the game. Why would a townie do this? How can we catch scum if people are not, ya know, playing the game.

I had to blow up my evidence to look like more than it was, because it was the only ****ing thing that had happened in the whole goddamn inactive game. I can't make a push with evidence that the person being pressured doesn't think is credible. If he knows it's bull****, he'll just say "ok, that's bull****. so what?" Which Badwolf more or less did. But once Kary got on him, all of a sudden it became a credible threat, and he lost his cool, and said some **** he shouldn't have. I know it was me getting lucky, and that maybe tunneling badwolf might not have been an "optimal strategy". But ya know what? I was tired of sitting on my ****ing hands all day not doing **** while the lynch deadline slowly approached, and nobody was doing anything. The only reason we all have stuff to talk about right now is because of me taking some initiative, so you're welcome.

You can make your move however you want, I don't care. I'm not scared in the slightest by your push on me, because I know I'm not going anywhere.

You made him crack? You openly state that it was Kary that makes you crack. This doesn't make you town in the slightest.

Cut the "I know I'm town" bull****. It makes you look like a douche bag that doesn't care about the game at all and only cares about himself. The people that only care about themselves are power roles or scum.

Only thing that happened? Honey, if you wouldn't have spewed all that ****, there still would have been things going on. It wasn't even inactive when you started tunneling him. It was actually right after one of the most active points in the game. Once again you're reaching in this defense you're forming. You reach a lot in general. It's scummy.

In the context of when he was actually posting in and checking the thread, he was constantly being pressured. Sure, there was one page where he wasn't being pressured, but to counter-act that, you started pressuring him right when he got back and posted his catch up post. You could call it planned out if you wanted to reach more, but the fact of the matter is that every time he was reading the thread based on his posting, he was always being pressured. He had no reason to re-read for reads on other players when he had to defend himself from a lynch, especially considering that we were coming near deadline.

You've openly admitted that it wasn't you that made him crack, but Kary, yet you're still trying to say it was you and you're using Kary's play to justify your own. That's not how it works, and it just makes you look worse.

Stop distracting me from Pokemon I have 5 nuzlockes to do before this month is over wtf >=(

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Sorry but PJB obviously has no intention to actually consider options. I find no reason to assume his play to be pro-town in any way. His response to my question is prove of that.

What options are there to consider? The deadline is tomorrow, and there's only 2 people on the chopping block, and one of them is me. I have pretty much everybody as a null or town read except for badwolf. What am I supposed to say here? "I think we should look into 'so and so' that I don't find suspicious"?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I wish we could get a vote count.

Pretty sure the votecount is at 3 for badwolf, and 3 for me.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

We'll basically be starting over from scratch, but at least we'll have gotten 1 scum out of the way.

This is just straight up BS. You don't *know* he's scum and if you actually were so sure he is you wouldn't talk about 'starting from a scratch'. One option you've never considered is that Badwolf might just be town.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

PJB, what are we supposed to do if we lynch Badwolf and he flips scum?

umm, you asked me what we should do if he flips scum. I've considered the possibility of him being town, and if he is, we can look at Orbo/Rake next (Even though what will actually happen is that everyone will look at me). You didn't ask me that though.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Can we please get a votecount? If i'm wrong about the count, we might be close to a lynch. Me and Badwolf deserve to have a chance to claim or something before somebody hammers one of us

 

[~ Gheb ~]

if he is, we can look at Orbo/Rake next (Even though what will actually happen is that everyone will look at me).

Why Orborake slot?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Cuz he was the first one to push on Badwolf, which was the assessment I made before I started my own push on Badwolf. Their exchange didn't exactly leave anyone feeling like they were on the same team, so if one of them is town, the other probably isn't.

I'm fully aware that this line of thought leads to myself being looked at and pressured as well. I'm fine with that.

 

[Dooms]

Cuz he was the first one to push on Badwolf, which was the assessment I made before I started my own push on Badwolf. Their exchange didn't exactly leave anyone feeling like they were on the same team, so if one of them is town, the other probably isn't.

I'm fully aware that this line of thought leads to myself being looked at and pressured as well. I'm fine with that.

Except you're ignoring the fact that they could both be town...?

:|.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Yea but it's a start. I didn't say "Yo, autolynch", I said look at him. I'm not a scum detector, you have to actually talk to people to read them.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

yeah no-one vote right now

 

[#HBC | Kary]

even bigger letters:

HEAR ME?
NO VOTES 'TIL VOTECOUNT


@joey did you unvote i forget

 

[BSP]

@whoever asked me - I said I'd vote badwolf first.

 

[BSP]

12 AM for 8/9 is tonight isn't it?

 

[LoliLovesRain]

no it's tomorrow.

 

[Dooms]

I'm pretty sure I didn't unvote.

If I did, then I'm putting my vote there right after a vote count.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I'm pretty sure I didn't unvote.

If I did, then I'm putting my vote there right after a vote count.

I'm pretty sure you didn't

I actually think I might be at L-1. That's why I seconded the request for a votecount.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@moderator: does a redirector visit in this setup? yes/no/can't say

I need to put my IC hat on and talk about night actions.
Here's the quick version

Playing a power role:
You're the watcher. Watch someone who you think mafia are likely to kill, or watch someone valuable to town, to ensure that if they die you will have caught a scumbag. If someone is visited and dies, the visitor is mafia. If someone is visited and lives, the visitor is either town bodyguard or mafia redirector (pending confirmation). If you get a result, decide whether it is necessary/worth claiming it before you do so!

You're the bodyguard. If you think you know who the watcher is you should protect them. Otherwise you may wish to protect a townie you deem valuable, but you don't have to protect anyone; it may be worth keeping yourself alive.

You're the redirector. If you target the watcher, you can make sure they avoid whoever you're going to kill. You can also try and lead the bodyguard astray if you need a particular player dead.

Having a town power role is valuable in this setup because you can claim it, and if no-one also makes the same claim, you are cleared as a townie- everyone knows you are a townie.

@Gheb: correct any of the above if necessary

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I believe the votes are like this:

for Badwolf: Kary, PJB, Ori
for PJB: Badwolf, Gheb, Joey, Loli
not voting: BSP, Orbo

but that's from memory.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@Joey: Would you still lynch Badwolf toDay?

 

[LoliLovesRain]

UNvote this way someone can't just come in and QL him but i still want him to be lynched over BW

 

[Dooms]

@Joey: Would you still lynch Badwolf toDay?

No.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

UNvote this way someone can't just come in and QL him but i still want him to be lynched over BW

Can I ask why?