MegaMafia | Day 4 - Mafia wins!

[#HBC | Mac]

Either you are an idiot town, you accidental voted for me instead of Iggy or you're scum

I guess I'm an idiot town.

I don't really know what to tell you Chaco. I still don't understand what you are attacking me for.

 

[Chaco]

Don't need to say anything.

 

[Handorin]

First of all, I was the one Ignatius targeted last night. My restriction is that I can not abbreviate anything; which includes names, day counts, contractions, et cetera.

Also, I will be attending Tipped Off Five this weekend. I will be leaving Friday and come back Monday night. I would say I would post a little bit if I needed, but my iPhone was stolen today. I do not know if I will take my laptop or not.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

First of all, I was the one Ignatius targeted last night. My restriction is that I can not abbreviate anything; which includes names, day counts, contractions, et cetera.

My goodness, I would have died with the quickness if that was given to me.

 

[Chaco]

Hando that sucks man.

 

[Ignatius]

Indeed, Handorin was the person I targetted, I reread the topic twice during our night phase, and something about his lack of activity and insisting still that I was an Indy towards the end of the day bothered me, so I tried to give him one of the tougher restrictions I could think of. Although, unfortunately, it looks like he was told pretty specifically that it includes contractions as well, which is what I was hoping to catch him on.

The first restriction I tried to use was veto'd though, I wasnted to make, "If you're town you must post in blue, if you're scum post in red." But Scav said I can't use any qualifying statements.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Wait, why were you trying to give him a hard restriction?

 

[Ignatius]

Because upon reviewing the topic, he's the player that suck out as the scummiest to me from Day 1.

 

[mentosman8]

Yeah... That pretty much goes with the indie idea pretty well after hearing Mac describe the potential results if they mess up... Why would you TRY to make it hard? Unless you're trying to turn yourself into a vig, I cant see why that makes sense.

 

[Handorin]

Indeed, Handorin was the person I targetted, I reread the topic twice during our night phase, and something about his lack of activity and insisting still that I was an Indy towards the end of the day bothered me, so I tried to give him one of the tougher restrictions I could think of. Although, unfortunately, it looks like he was told pretty specifically that it includes contractions as well, which is what I was hoping to catch him on.

The first restriction I tried to use was veto'd though, I wasnted to make, "If you're town you must post in blue, if you're scum post in red." But Scav said I can't use any qualifying statements.

I was smart enough to ask him ahead of time. Sorry that I am more attentive than some other players. I did not even ask him about numbers, I am just being safe on that one.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

So, you wanted to shoot him essentially?

 

[Ignatius]

trying to turn yourself into a vig

There you have it, unless you can think of a better use for this ability. Considering my attempt to make it any sort of investigative role went down the hole when I was told I couldn't use qualifying statements, it seemed the best use of the ability.

 

[Chaco]

Why did you quote a post of mine from D1, then put Mentos words in it?

 

[Ignatius]

Good question, my best guess would be that I was going to comment on something you said, then decided not to after pressing multi quote. Then, after trying to highlight the part of the post of mentos' I was trying to respond to, I deleted everything up to the start of the

code without realizing I had two quotes.

 

[Wikipedia]

Iggy I don't like that at all. Really, that was just stupid play. This is potentially mylo if Hando dies and is town and you put the whole town at risk because of a hunch you have. I thought we agreed that a townie should not try to use that ability unless it is attached to another PR ability.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

agree d.

 

[mentosman8]

Wiki, he already stated he HAS to use it every night. It bugs me like none other that he tried to make it so hard to keep up with, but the fact that he used it means nothing. But yeah, if Hando were to mess up and get killed, that would take away our mislynch. There's absolutely no reason you should have tried to take things into your hands like that as town.

 

[Wikipedia]

Right, but he didn't have to try to use it as hard as he did. He could have tried to diminish the effects of his ability as much as possible like making a restriction in which you have to use a period in every post. I think you agree with me that his actions were not smart for the town (well, I know you agree with me, you just said so in your post)

 

[Handorin]

Not to mention Macman(?) is now vote blocked. That puts us one valuable vote down.

Do not worry.

I do not need to use silly abbreviations to post. Real robots type everything out.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I'm not vote blocked, didn't someone else say they were vote blocked?

 

[Handorin]

I'm vote blocked. Just so everyone knows.

I decided to stop being lazy since I was wrong.

 

[Ignatius]

I'm not vote blocked, didn't someone else say they were vote blocked?

Yesterday I was vote blocked.

 

[Wikipedia]

Wow, this is potentially lylo if we Hando dies and comes up town since I'm vote blocked.

6 town, 3 town and 1 independent. If Hando dies then it's 5 town 3 mafia and 1 independent and then I'm vote blocked so that's essentially 4 town 3 mafia and 1 independent. Iggy, can you just acknowledge the risk you put the town at? You seem to impartial about the whole thing.

In fact now that I think about it, this is almost perfect situation for Iggy (if he is independent) to joint with mafia, I'm not sure how that would work but it is a possibility if Hando dies that independent could try to vote with mafia and then mafia/independent would automatically win today.

It's a big deal.

 

[Evil Eye]

Incoming Johns: Okay, remember after Spidey, when life dramas delayed me massively in posting end-flavor and PMs?

Well, yeah, things took a massive nosedive from that point this week. That's why I was absent from discussions the last couple days of D1. For that I apologize. I just didn't have it in me to play mafia, I was emotionally wiped out, and I was going to drop out of both this and Starfox Mafia in the BRoom. However, I've recuperated and etc etc. So yeah, let's get jiggy.


Zero discussion about Omni for the kill choice? That's interesting.

Omni revealed himself as Flash Man (or Pharaoh Man, or some other similar dude) by posting his timestop. Evidently Scav did a little bit of tricky modding, in that he thought he'd be extending the day, when in reality he'd be stopping time for a few seconds -- just like Megaman -- before causing Day to end.

For those wondering, the Timekeeper is a role that typically has the power to just straight-up end the day. Surprisingly, it's not on mafiascum's wiki, and googling didn't do me much good, so I can't hold it against Omni for not figuring out what his "stop time" was actually going to do.


However, this does mean we need to be incredibly, incredibly careful with our voting. I don't know what the stipulations are for Flash Man's powers, obviously, but Megaman has them now. In a mylo situation, Megaman could conceivably force that mislynch the second any player votes for a non-scum player. Even a pressure vote. This is not a good prospect, so let's be careful about how we approach voting from here onward.


As for whom might have wanted Omni out of the picture... well, the kneejerk is to mention Marshy. Omni was the person riding Marshy's *** the hardest since he got in the game, and vice versa. However, I've seen mafia attempt to frame someone in this regard before (kill a false suspect's main attacker), so I'm not going to throw much weight behind it. All the same, Omni had basically nameclaimed. Killing someone else would have arguably been more logical just to have another cardflip outed.

Because of that, I'm going to throw most weight behind Omni's power itself -- I'm assuming scum figured out that he was a Timekeeper based on his failure to stop time, and killed him so they could get his power. As I mentioned, that would devastate us in a mylo situation, so that makes the most sense. For now, I'm not going to think too much of Omni's suspicions before he died.

@Macman: You restated your case against Iggy, and then you threw a vote at Wiki. What's you reason for this? You called yourself idiot town, but didn't take it down, so I assume you've got one, and it'd be dandy if you shared it with the rest of the class.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I just think he's the scummiest right now.

 

[mentosman8]

EE, the thing is we have no idea what Omni's power did. Look at the final vote count of the day, and you'll notice there were 6 votes on no lynch. Now, normally with 12 left, it would take 7 to hammer a lynch. However, due to Iggy being vote-blocked, there were only 11 possible votes, meaning 6 was the hammer. Hence, when Omni voted no lynch, he inadvertently hammered the option, and posted his stop time assuming we needed 7 votes. Now, I could be wrong and it could have required the 7, in which case EE's theory would be the fitting one. Regardless, both options work and we have no idea what his power did/does whatsoever.

Also, I would just like to restate what Wiki said. I forgot to take the vote-block into account when I mentioned the thought earlier. If Iggy was wrong about Hando, and he messes up his restriction, we are put into terrible odds. It just doesn't make sense to purposely try to get someone killed like that in a game this tight, especially after learning about the vote blocking.

 

[Chaco]

Hmm. We gained nothing from a no lynch, so we're fumbling around on a voteblock and speculation of a kill choice.

@EE: I do agree that Marshy was ridden hard by Omni, however, I do not feel that Marshy would kill Omni. I know this isn't AIM mafia, and that's the reason I'm saying so. Marshy knows how to work Omni, so I can't see him doing that.

I'll post more content later.

 

[Rockin]

Heya, sorry guys. Just been reading a bit from the thread.

What Omni did in that moment was....odd. I don't even know exactly what he did. x.x Unfortunatly, we lost another townie and a powerful one at that >>;;

Alright. Omni was an odd choice for nightkill.

My post restriction was the effect of someone throwing a bomb at me. That would explode the second i messed up the restriction killing me. I don't know why that kind of role would be given to town.

Iggy, what role restriction did you give someone?

vote: wiki

Wait, how was Omni a odd night kill of choice? He was pretty much the most confirmed townie at the time at the last day of D1. And if he wasn't killed, I'm sure he would've been heavily questioned. Also, what's your reason for voting Wiki? And mind telling what your restriction was in full on D1? So far, I mainly got that you could type in caps.

This, Mac. Village Idiot is not a role or anything, it's basically a term to describe someones play. Saying/Doing the wrong things, and not caring, essentially. Townie VIs can be used as scapegoats, and the fact that you pointed it out makes me uneasy towards you. Often VIs are scum, who just don't know what to say. Which is easily related to you since you said you do not play scum well at all.

That's not true. A Village idiot is just that: an idiot. Someone making a stupid play. Village idiots are not always scum either. In Spidey Mafia, I was considered the 'village idiot.' I didn't contribute much (or barely at all) in D1, I answered a few people's questions, and just...plain made myself look scummy (even though I was a 1 shot vig). Then that townie, the one that was arguing with me, hit me with a 'poison' that makes me post for one day. So, as a result, knowing who did it, I SHOT the person while making this huge post saying that I got hit by TWO people (instead of one like EE told me) and the person I shot was actually a townie. =/

So yeah, I don't think Macman is uncaring. He might be making a stupid play, but that could be it (that's if you're seeing him as a village idiot). I'm kinda surprised you took that in such a way you said >>;;

Also, Iggy

Anyway, my best guesses at who are scum are EE , Rockin, and maybe Marshy. I think that a townie EE would not be in support of this lynch with all the data involved, and sees this as a chance to get a lynch off on a townie with no real repercussions. It's going to be extremely hard to fault anyone for lyncing me, with how terrible Warlord was at the start of the day.

Rockins last post didn't make too much sense, although he says he was just rushed for it, it seems like he doesn't really have a good reason to be in support of the lynch, but is still on it.

Omni is just giving me a weird vibe though, I can't say that much.

Other than that, be a little wary of Marshy, it may just be that he's one of the few to actually realize that I'm a townie, but that shouldn't give him a free pass in the following days. If he is town, it shouldn't be a problem anyway.

You said your top 3 scumdats are myself, EE, and a soft target for Marshy. Hando wasn't in the list, but you decided to target him in priority over the three of us. Does this mean we're less scummy to you now? I'm just curious why you chose hando over us.

Iggy I don't like that at all. Really, that was just stupid play. This is potentially mylo if Hando dies and is town and you put the whole town at risk because of a hunch you have. I thought we agreed that a townie should not try to use that ability unless it is attached to another PR ability.

How do you know Hando is town? Also, I don't like that last sentence you have. I don't think WE agreed that nor the fact that Iggy could turn it off.

agree d.

Why are you agreeing? You was more active then Wiki. I'm sure you read that Iggy has to use it each night ><;;

Wow, this is potentially lylo if we Hando dies and comes up town since I'm vote blocked.

6 town, 3 town and 1 independent. If Hando dies then it's 5 town 3 mafia and 1 independent and then I'm vote blocked so that's essentially 4 town 3 mafia and 1 independent. Iggy, can you just acknowledge the risk you put the town at? You seem to impartial about the whole thing.

In fact now that I think about it, this is almost perfect situation for Iggy (if he is independent) to joint with mafia, I'm not sure how that would work but it is a possibility if Hando dies that independent could try to vote with mafia and then mafia/independent would automatically win today.

It's a big deal.

Again, how do you know if Hando is town or not? Not sure why you're showing so much concern for Hando, especially since he himself doesn't seem so worried of the situation. Not to mention why you're so concern of your vote block (especially considering you was inactive in discussion and lurking, even with a legit john. IMO, you should've saw that coming).

Incoming Johns: Okay, remember after Spidey, when life dramas delayed me massively in posting end-flavor and PMs?

Well, yeah, things took a massive nosedive from that point this week. That's why I was absent from discussions the last couple days of D1. For that I apologize. I just didn't have it in me to play mafia, I was emotionally wiped out, and I was going to drop out of both this and Starfox Mafia in the BRoom. However, I've recuperated and etc etc. So yeah, let's get jiggy.


Zero discussion about Omni for the kill choice? That's interesting.

Omni revealed himself as Flash Man (or Pharaoh Man, or some other similar dude) by posting his timestop. Evidently Scav did a little bit of tricky modding, in that he thought he'd be extending the day, when in reality he'd be stopping time for a few seconds -- just like Megaman -- before causing Day to end.

For those wondering, the Timekeeper is a role that typically has the power to just straight-up end the day. Surprisingly, it's not on mafiascum's wiki, and googling didn't do me much good, so I can't hold it against Omni for not figuring out what his "stop time" was actually going to do.

Hey EE, good for you to come back. Sorry about drama stuff happening to ya. Drama sucks. We get those in NYC on a regular basis XD

The reason it's not in the wiki is because it's a made up power that was invented by redcell in 'Totally Normal Mafia.' Stingers (who was replaced by Macman) had this power and could end the Day quickly or end a Night phase without any night actions happening. Pretty powerful, especially when it came time to remove one more Mafia.

I'm not sure what to say about your opinon to Omni's reason for doing that. It sounds like it makes sense, especially seeing what time the last vote came in and what time Scav put up the end of D1 flavor. However, I question WHY Omni even decide to use it at the LAST day of D1. This kind of power could've been best used if we had a mislynch and we need to buy more time (of course, I'm speaking as though if he has the power to extend the Day).

In retrospect, it makes sense he would be given a power to end a Day (and possibly a Night) phase, however his time to do it was poorly chosen.

and yeah, I didn't even think of that idea in a mylo situation. That sucks major balls =/

 

[smashman90]

However, this does mean we need to be incredibly, incredibly careful with our voting. I don't know what the stipulations are for Flash Man's powers, obviously, but Megaman has them now. In a mylo situation, Megaman could conceivably force that mislynch the second any player votes for a non-scum player. Even a pressure vote. This is not a good prospect, so let's be careful about how we approach voting from here onward.

Well, seeing as Omni posted it in the thread, I assume that the only way he could use his power was to post it in the thread, otherwise he would've PM'd it to Scav, wouldn't you think? If I am correct about this, then one of the mafia members would have to reveal themselves in order to use it.

 

[Evil Eye]

I don't think Mashad invented the Timekeeper role, as we had one in SWFMafia as well, which I believe was being designed around the same time as TNM, so it couldn't have been inspiration.

And, well, my theory is based in the idea that Omni would end up ending the Day but not know he would be doing so. As such you can't really fault him. We were floundering between two lynch candidates and a NL, and actually getting the extra time would have made a positive impact.

I disagree with mentos's theory that the person who gets voteblocked is essentially disregarded in the voting ratio, by the way. Where's the impact, really, in that regard? It's more antitown than anything, since if a townie is hit and the nightkill goes through, you've made the town's power as a -2 instead of a -1. If the voteblocker is mafia, of course, then it makes perfect sense. I won't rule that out. But if the voteblocker is town, I'm convinced that the voteblocked individual still counts toward the voting ratio.

 

[Evil Eye]

Ninja'd.


Smashman, that doesn't matter in the least, because I was talking about a mylo situation. Forced mislynch on mylo = we lose, I don't think the mafia would care about tipping its hand if it ensures victory. FoS on that one.

 

[smashman90]

EE, my earlier was answering to this part, not the mylo situation:

I don't know what the stipulations are for Flash Man's powers, obviously, but Megaman has them now.

I was just too lazy to take the stuff about the mylo situation.

 

[smashman90]

EE, my earlier was answering to this part, not the mylo situation:


I was just too lazy to take the stuff about the mylo situation.

Gah, didn't mean to post it and now it has a few grammar errors. I meant to say that my earlier post was suppose to answer that part, not the mylo situation. I was just lazy and didn't take out the stuff about the mylo situation.

 

[Wikipedia]

How do you know Hando is town? Also, I don't like that last sentence you have. I don't think WE agreed that nor the fact that Iggy could turn it off.



Why are you agreeing? You was more active then Wiki. I'm sure you read that Iggy has to use it each night ><;;



Again, how do you know if Hando is town or not? Not sure why you're showing so much concern for Hando, especially since he himself doesn't seem so worried of the situation. Not to mention why you're so concern of your vote block (especially considering you was inactive in discussion and lurking, even with a legit john. IMO, you should've saw that coming).

I don't know Hando is town. That's why it is called a qualified circumstance it would be lylo if Hando dies and is town. Read more carefully.

 

[Rockin]

I don't know Hando is town. That's why it is called a qualified circumstance it would be lylo if Hando dies and is town. Read more carefully.

Well I see 'is' in more then one time in terms of both of those post. Still, your big concern of him bugs me. Also, I suggest you do the same in regards to Iggy's powers.

 

[Wikipedia]

And what is wrong with my use of the word 'is'? Learn English, this is so stupid to argue over. It is a big concern. I'm concerned that you're NOT concerned. Iggy potentially put us in a lylo situation, that's high pressure stuff that the town doesn't need. It also potentially allows a killing independent to joint with maf.

 

[Rockin]

And what is wrong with my use of the word 'is'? Learn English, this is so stupid to argue over. It is a big concern. I'm concerned that you're NOT concerned. Iggy potentially put us in a lylo situation, that's high pressure stuff that the town doesn't need. It also potentially allows a killing independent to joint with maf.

The way you're using it is what's bothering me. When you use 'is' with a noun like cat, town, baby, and so on, you're basically confirming it. The fact that you did it not once, but twice bugs me. Oh, and FYI: I didn't start this arguement. I merely stated what you were doing that I didn't like.

Reason why I'm not concern over it is because it's already done. There's no way to undo it. The fact that Hando is calm about the situation also ensures me not to worry. He's a good DG player. I'm sure, like he says, knows how to handle such situation.

Also, let's not forget. We were pretty pressured the moment EE told us what Mafia could do with the said powers from Omni. Even if it meant sacrificing one of their people, this still puts us in a bad spot. Yeah, Iggy's power didn't help things lighten up, but neither is us dwelling so deep into it.

Does everyone feel a Namelclaim is good for either today or Day 3? Please don't randomly nameclaim. Just say yes or no.

 

[mentosman8]

I'd say it's good for tomorrow. We still have a mislynch that won't end us, so it's best to not potentially out roles until tomorrow when it could end up being lylo

 

[Chaco]

I'm definitely getting Rockin as scum.

 

[Rockin]

I'm definitely getting Rockin as scum.

Which reminds me. You wanted to consider me as a lynch canidate the near end of D1. And now you're getting scum vibes from me. Why is that?