Q&A Mechanics & Techniques Discussion

InfinityCollision · Jun 18, 2015

Been out of the loop a while, is it known that it's possible to significantly boost crawl speed under certain circumstances? I saw something about pivots and crawling in search but what I did was out of landing, not a pivot.

Pikabunz · Jun 18, 2015

Nice Metal Slug music.

Labernash · Jun 18, 2015

TheReflexWonder said:
I believe if you buffer an aerial directly from some states, it "eats" the directional input. If you mash an aerial after falling off the stage from a Rapid Jab, you'll get a N-Air, even if you were holding a direction the whole time and even if you don't use the C-Stick.

I think something specifically C-Stick related is that if you're holding a direction and press a different direction with the C-Stick on the frame before an aerial could come out, it will negate all directions and give you a N-Air, too.

Of course, there's also the fact that pressing the C-Stick down and away will register as a Neutral-A input in general, but I figure that's not what you mean.

Okay, very interesting! Thank you sir!

Dr. Tuen · Jun 18, 2015

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TheReflexWonder You've been doing great work recently! Do you know if rolling on the stage, attacking on the stage, or standing up on stage also yield vulnerable frames (similar to the frames you showed a video for with respect to the ledge-jump option)?

TheReflexWonder · Jun 18, 2015

The ledge options are all pretty homogenized in terms of frame data. Unfortunately, there don't appear to be any significant weaknesses outside of using options that are fast or meaty enough to cover multiple options at once.

All Ledge Jumps all appear to take 12 frames to get to the IASA and are invincible for the entire animation, but you cannot buffer moves out of a Ledge Jump. My video shows Frame 13, the first vulnerable frame for each character.

Ledge Attacks hit for a single frame and it's usually between Frames 20 and 24, but the total animations all seem to end on Frame 55, and invincibility always ends three frames before the attack comes out.

Ledge Climbs are only vulnerable for a single frame at the very end of the animation, with the full animation lasting anywhere between 31 and 34 frames. If anything, that means if you have an attack that lasts for at least three frames, you can punish any Ledge Climb with the same one timing with enough practice.

Ledge Rolls appear to all have 49-frame animations, with invincibility lasting from Frame 1 to Frame 25-27 (slight variation depends on character; not sure if distance covered by that point is similar between them).

TheReflexWonder · Jun 19, 2015

Goodness, I wish I had a recording device that would get 60 FPS footage. The Ledge Climb animations are so misleading here and there. Captain Falcon plants his feet well in advance, for instance, and it throws you off.

I wish I had GIFs of every Ledge Climb into a buffered Shield held for a few frames, in normal speed and 1/2x speed. That would make punishing them on reaction so much easier for people.

⑨ball · Jun 19, 2015

Tuen said:
@ TheReflexWonder You've been doing great work recently!

Seriously. Much love for all the hard work.

TheReflexWonder said:
I wish I had GIFs of every Ledge Climb into a buffered Shield held for a few frames, in normal speed and 1/2x speed. That would make punishing them on reaction so much easier for people.

Palutena and Miis also have very misleading ledge climbs as they about 10 extra frames when climbing. Same amount of vulnerability, but their animations are longer.

edit: This'll be obsolete once we get some solid gifs,and the dlc characters are missing, but for now...