Mass Effect (King Maker) - Glorious Way to End the Day. Mafia Wins!

[ranmaru]

I'll be finished catching up today, as in the 6th. Believe it.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I don't know where all this talk about me is coming from.

Omni says I'm being childish, stubborn and would shoot me on principle but none of that has happened toDay. Just because I didn't suck your **** for being an idiot about dabuz doesn't mean I'm totally uncooperative. I like to think that I actually did a lot toDay to make things easier between us and yet you still don't acknowledge it. I layed out my entire thought process, responded to everything you wanted me to respond to and actively attempted to get all players into the discussion. If you're still saying that you'd like to shoot me on principle then you only confirm what was clear to me in the first place: that *you* are the one who doesn't actually [want to] cooperate with me. I mean, I don't even mind if you're still being a salty crybaby about my D1 play but saying that I haven't tried to cooperate with you [or others] and were just stubborn you're just not telling the truth.

Mastermind/Ryker has also called me out for "terrible" play but I'm unimpressed. If you think that I care enough about your opinion on how I play that I actually gonna change then you're as wrong as can be. And no, I will not support a Hando shot toDay no matter how much you try to undermine my way of playing this game and my reads. Just because it buddies you up with the King's opinion doesn't mean you'll get away with such lackluster play. You still have a lot more to offer and before that happens you are the last person in this game to call my play "terrible". It's more than obvious that your reads aren't solid and that you don't actually know players' alignments. Your reads aren't better than mine.

Death Bear, I also don't see how I'm "scummers" with Mastermind of all people all of a sudden. That sounds like your typical "Hi I'm a tool / slave and I think it's cool to pretend being a tough guy by spouting out some ******** but totally radical idea that's gonna impress people!!!!11" kind of play that you pull of in nearly any game. It's sad enough that people have me as a scumread / consider me to be a decent lynch but just lumping me with Mastermind for no reason is just laughable. Tell me when you're actually playing this game.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Now to Omni's 1807:

kary - i loved his play D1. pressured Dabuz and jumped on people who weren't making any stances on him.

Stop trying to whiteknight dabuz wagoners. Those people all offered *no* valid reasoning on why he was supposedly scummy, the wagon against him has not given us any good info and dabuz ultimately wasn't the ideal play. End of story. Just because he's expandable doesn't mean that everybody who sheeped his wagon is free from responsibility. Of course, you yourself are guilty of this as well so it doesn't surprise me you're trying to justify this course of action but unless you're actually scum [which I still believe to be the case] you're just blindfolding yourself with this stupidity. Especially the "pressure people that take no stance on dabuz" part. Are you insane? What stances is one supposed to take on a player that has been pressured despite not being scummy in the least and has been completely null during his entire lifespan? If this is the reasoning for you to justify all the crap Kary pulled off [plus ignoring valid cases just because *you* don't know his meta] AND ACTUALLY HAVE A TOWN READ ON HIM then it's not surprise that almost all of your reads are completely off.

soup both marshy and kary's jump on the dabuz wagon felt authetnic, but Soup's felt forced and i didn't buy it. [...] his AtE towards the end of the Day, however, screamed town. i've seen flailing scum and i've seen flailing town often. i trust my gut feelings alot when it comes to this and i dont feel scum emitting from Soup since late D1.

HOWEVER

it doesn't nullify his early D1 play completely. so i understand the Soup hate. but i won't be shooting him toDay solely because i think there are much better choices based off dabuz flip.

@bold: needs to be backed up. You're making random claims / justifications for one bunch of the people but use a different standard for soup. Why is his jump on the wagon worse or less authentic, let alone in a game where there are no votes? Even if all the players "voted" for dabuz he wouldn't have been lynched if the King decided against it. So what are you actually holding against soup?

The flailing explanation is worthless. You can't get a pro-town vibe from that. Maybe not a scum-vibe but saying his flailing is authentic enough to make up for his supposedly bad behavior in such a manner that the playerslot is an overall town read for you ... do you actually think *anybody* would buy this? Your wording kind of conceals it but if you look at what you hold against soup and what you hold in his favor there's no way that it could all add up to a solid pro-town read. Bogus stance imo.

jdietz - one of the whiteknighters from dabuz' wagon that pressured kary scum. questioned the people on the lynch (similar to gheb, jerkus, dbear) but decided to choose kary out of meta reasoning and familiarity. i haven't enjoyed his input and i believe he's been taking a back seat for most of the game; a slightly more active Hando. i dont like his slot one bit. nothing about his D1 or D2 play makes me think he's town searching for scum.

Really? The way he pointed out the connection between soup and Kary - who are both agreed to be some of the best plays toDay - was not townie looking for scum? What game are you playing? The case is valid and if you don't get the meta then as the one who carries out the execution it's your job to familiarize yourself with it. Because you know, it kind of matters to be informed about the players before calling time on their lifes. You can say you "don't enjoy his input" but that's just a worthless, subjective impression. Objectively it's some of the most productive content this game has so far - pressuring sheeps, getting them involved in discussions and looking for connections between the participants. That's what wins games for town and is quite the opposite of what you and the people you're whiteknighting [Kary, Soup, HN] have done.

 

[Omni]

answered most of your Kary questions with jdietz

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Expandable, expendable ...

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Also, I'm starting to feel like soup doesn't necessarily need to go toDay though I'd still rather have him dead. Karyslot should die or BarDull. Flips may change my reads but I think those two are good plays toDay, Omni / soup will be taken care of later.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Mastermind, go more in depth about Kary town-read.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Might re-read this game later, more specifically where I stood with Kary. I remember disliking his cling to meta and trying to break down all my own arguments with it.

 

[ranmaru]

I'm nto even expecting Ran to post anything anytime soon with a 40 page D1.

I'm so amazing I am already caught up.

 

[ranmaru]

Cache up

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Bardull confirms and asks to be king. From here, Soup and Bardull argue over why he shouldn't be king. Dumb.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14982458&postcount=129
Like BSP's #129, making sure Soup actually showed why he was fine with what Bardull said.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14982768&postcount=135
Not liking Soup saying that he still didn't like Bardull and let it drop, when at first he said that Bardull has done enough to appease him.

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He votes Omni for no reason. Suspicious, I wonder why he did so.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14983121&postcount=162
Agree with gheb on this. Bardull seems to be discrediting Gheb from being a possible king due to not doing as much?

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Don't like Bardull voting Gheb here. There isn't anything telling that should have made him vote.

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Rakebear, why did you ask this?

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Seems forced from Bardull. I don't see anyway that Kary is trying to hard 'towards' Bardull. Also, Kary usually likes to ask questionable people to buddy him to see how they would act. Makes sense.

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Bsp v Rakebear, Rakebear mentions BSP is trying too hard, about how he should use the day as king. Isn't a telling conversation.

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Soup defends Gheb here. Don't really like the interaction between him and Bardull here, I want to ask if this helped Soup in anyway.

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Omni posts something towards Dabuz. Omni, what did you think of Soup's vote on you, didn't see you comment on it.

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Don't see this as something to vote on either. Soup, elaborate please.

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Not liking his indecisiveness. Also don't like him asking how Rake will play, gives him expectations and if Rake doesn't fill them Soup can go "You said you wouldn't do this etc".

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Hando makes a comment on KaryvBardull, on BSP, and on Jerkus. Just stating this as a mental note, it's not telling at all to me.

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Why did you take a shot in the dark on Bardull? How are you feeling about him now?

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14984185&postcount=251
Like that Rakebear asks what Soup is feeling.

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Why was this an obv town post?

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Why did you vote Hando here?

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I don't see it as scummy, just inexperience.

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I like this from Gheb, it makes sense.

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G3S? Which one? Also, why would you say you want Bardull vigged instead of pushing for a lynch on him?

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This is weak. When has Dabuz ever had any direction?

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Like this. TownRare.

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Lines up with my mindset nicely, town.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14984945&postcount=284
Smells like Bardull trying to be the middle man "Let's all be friends, let's move on".

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14984948&postcount=285
Like JD poking at Rare to see if his mindset falls with his own, I assume.

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Not liking Bardull unvoting when Hando mentions Bardull. Bar never really stated why he voted him in the first place. Seems to me he is trying to stick his vote whereever he feels he can leave it.

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Like Hando for this, I also find it interesting Bardull did this.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14985005&postcount=293
Agree, liking Jerkuz here.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14985009&postcount=295
Explain why you think you were corrected.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14985011&postcount=296
This reads as fake. Bardull numbero uno lynch target.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14985431&postcount=319
Justification for soup or rare scum is weaksauce.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14985458&postcount=328
I'm wondering what you thought of it, Soup.

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Why did you say this, Omni.

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Feels forced. Did you think this post was telling at all, soup, or was it just an excuse to post something 'pro-town'?

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You respect that, as you take it as a town-tell?

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I agree on this, but I feel you are only now turning on Soup because his actions seemed obvious at the time. Scumbuddy connections. Yum.

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Ok. This seems forced. I mean I can understand when someone says "Well after arguing, my concerns are still not relieved" but you seemed to come to this conclusion too easily, and in such a short time.

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Dumb argument, not telling. I can understand it's because of Marshy having a different playstyle from jerkus.

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Why?

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What? Seems like an excuse to not contribute much, and agrees with Omni on soup. Hmm.

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Interesting. I really like Gheb here.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14986876&postcount=455
How exactly was Kary being Necromaf Kary? Did you ever notice this in NecroMafia?

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Not liking that you state that you are re-reading Kary to finally see him being weird. It just seems like you are trying to force the stance of 'weird' in your own benefit.

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Why haven't you pushed onto Soup?

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14987095&postcount=481
Like this.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14987259&postcount=493
Serious on Scumgheb?

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Hando on vay-k, not telling and don't see how his statement of one of kary/marshy/jerkus holds scum. Shows lazyness. Need more.

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Why lean on Dietz? I don't see it.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14988812&postcount=535
Fake reaction to Rare's question about Dabuz being the vinyl of the game. Basically, the easy lynch.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14988842&postcount=537
I like this.

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I don't see how this is an appropriate response to Rare's assesment of how Dabuz can be easily painted as scummy. Hmm.

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I like this line of questioning. Soup likes to take two players and be unsure of both of them to the extent that he'd lynch the other if the first didn't flip scum. He did the same in Simpson's Mafia with Badwolf and Vinyl.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14988996&postcount=552
Seeing as how you told Soup to stop, what do you think of my analysis above?

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Feels like more middle man, or peace maker. W/e.

Page 15 there seems to be some dumb arguments that I'll be skimming.

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Seems like omgus. Still like Gheb.

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What, why dude?

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14990681&postcount=704
Best vote count ever.

More Gheb vs Omni. I'm starting to skim it because I already believe Omni is scum.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14990791&postcount=739
And now?

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I think it's him being dumb.

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Liking Mastermind.

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Why should he?
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I don't see Hando as scummy, just as someone who is always on VAY-K and just has opinions on like Kary/Jerkus/Jdietz?. I mean he leaves much to be desired, but I think others should take priority before him. I do understand banishing him if he doesn't let others get a read on him as time passes.

Not reading Mastermind vs Rare. Both are town to me.

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More town gheb. I totally agree, and it means Soup is scum.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14992240&postcount=876
To me it just seems like ScumSoup trying to fake a scumread however he can.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14992759&postcount=957
Forced reaction from soup. I feel he does this when he is called out as scum when he is scum. It's like he feels like he has to make sure others feel he is town. Notice how he gets all emotional and **** about it.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14992979&postcount=978
Why was it an awesome post?

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14993175&postcount=992
Feels wishy washy.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14993845&postcount=1035
Feels more like you are trying to make it more of a meta issue so you can push Kary yo. Gtfo.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14993901&postcount=1058
I agree on this baby. Wait I called Circus baby? ... Hmm. I'm ok with that.

Don't care to read Jerkus v No hetero.

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I'm wondering at this juncture, why you haven't said more of Soup, since you were scumreading him. Hmm.

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Why?

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Like this line of questioning from BSP as well. It shows that he can see that it was weird that it took soup a while to garner up some 'info' on Dabuz, as if he was waiting for Dabuz to dig his grave even deeper before tacking on the nail of his coffin.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14994156&postcount=1123
Eww why do you seem to be mudslining at people calling you scum. Gag.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14994157&postcount=1124
Wtf, why did you say this?

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14994203&postcount=1133
Soup using the classic SCUmsoup "I don't care" reason to avoid going into something that he really should.

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That's different. He really felt Vinyl was scum for one little detailed and continued to push on him there. He played a bad game there, because he was distracted for so long that it made him a liability. Here he isn't 'fixated' on anything, he's trying to push a lynch on Dabuz for weaksauce reasons, and tries to justify it a million times by saying that Dabuz really seemed obvious and that he wanted the day to end. That's clearly scumsoup trying to force town tells.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14994632&postcount=1176
Not helping what.

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Bardull active lurking (due to classes?). He mentions soup scum and Omni waryness, and other reads without really giving much substantiation. He isn't really pushing anything, so this seems like just a post to show his reads and be on his way. I don't like it because he keeps saying that he can't keep up, which is why he isn't giving as much reason. I can see why this may seem like another Hando-read, but Hando hasn't given much thoughts, which is why I feel he is null. Bardull has given much more, but without reasoning, so I feel the intention is to seem town that is giving info why not really being present in the thread.

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Again with no reasoning. Gtfo.
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Why did you ask him this?

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Why??? You never give reasoning. What makes YOU think he's obvscum?

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Elaborate on this.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14999366&postcount=1364
This is very insincere. What's wrong with walls?

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14999560&postcount=1371
How is Gheb painting you in a bad light?

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=15000418&postcount=1400
Cool, more Bardull not catching up because OOF TOO MUCH POSTS.

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I ****ing love that game. At times I just read the whole thing because it's so damn amusing. Shoutout to OS for making such a damn fun game. ITS DAY ONE AGAIN? ;kadjfad;fkajsdfd HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

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What's the case on Dabuz guys so I can wagon hop. That's basically the gist of this post, he's posturing to get on and hasn't given anything else. Gtfo.

BSP executes Dabuz. Whoo hoo.

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Rakebear town.

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Jerkus, why did you switch after not really saying much on Kary?

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I am not surprised.

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Kool Soup is now going towards Kary on an unconditional Dabuz flip.

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More Gheb being town.

Rake v Jerkus, don't care to read. Smelling some delicious food? ... But mom is washing clothes. Suspicious.
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Useless observation from Bardull. THANKS BRO

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Why? Dude don't be dumb. Why are you NOW having a slight town read on D2? Hmm.

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More town gheb. <3 Gheb.

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I agree, but still don't like how you are still drifting around the town without giving much reasoning to your 'obvscum' soup read.

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Why did you re-read, and why did you find Soup as town? How does this reflect on your initial feelings of soup D1? (Basically, tell me how it fits with a town mindset)

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Explain how he reacted well. What was the meaning of you saying you stopped being cool?

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I liked this post. Jerkus is coming off weird today, I had him as town from D1. Makes him my 4th lynch option.
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[#HBC | ѕoup]

Hey ran, are you town?

 

[ranmaru]

Of course I'm town.

 

[ranmaru]

Stances

Gheb strong town. His reads and thoughts fall in line with mine. I love him so much this game. Everytime I go "why would he [...]" he responds with a similar reaction.

Scumreads:

Soup > Omni > Bardull > Jerkus.

Soup has tried to push a weak Dabuz lynch with faked justification, such as "He is so obvious, I want this day to end" a million times. He yells at people who call him scum and call them idiots, while AtE'ing. He does this as scum when people call him scum. He is trying to force town AtE. His initial poke at BSP was a way for him to contribute without really bringing up anything suspicious. He was also faking indecisiveness for his vote on Deathbear. It was not something he should have voted for. Soup should be the number one lynch today.

Omni had a weird vote on Soup early D1. Felt like distancing, and I didn't like how Omni never commented on Soup's random vote on him. I feel Omni has only looked at Soup when it was obvious Soup should have been commented on. Later on when there was more talk about Soup Omni hasn't really been commenting on him. Don't like his Scumgheb stance in #493 and seems more like to discredit Gheb. 3/4 of his recent scumreads I think are town. Guess who.

Bardull. He is active lurking, and giving plenty of unsubstantiated reads. The ones that stand out to me the most are his Soup 'obvscum' read and his Omni wary read. He keeps saying that he is busy with school, can't catch up, yet still feels a strong scumlean towards Soup. Seems to me he is trying to seem like he is town contributing, and some of his votes also seemed like votes he shouldn't have even pulled out. Like his vote on Gheb was disgusting.

Jerkus is the last. He just seems like a liability to me now because I have read him as town D1, but now is getting all weird D2. First of all, he starts pushing on Kary FIRST before Soup, but he never mentioned Kary much D1. He has been pushing Soup the whole time, so why Kary before Soup now? I also don't like his interaction with Omni "We aren't kool anymore" "Oh nah you actually reacted fine, so we are kool now". This interaction read forced.

The rest of my reads you can guess from reading my notes.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

That's not a town post above me. I would think you woulda put more effort into it. Meta aside. Do you have any more elaborate stances instead of more or less idle comments? I realize th-

oh okay.

 

[ranmaru]

I put plenty of effort.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I literally just got ninja'd on something. I still feel your read on me isn't sufficient and you haven't looked at the arguments presented, instead of really cookie cuttering them to a sense.

You agree with Jerkus dislike though..and Bardull..and you think I'm scum...

Damnit Ran.

 

[ranmaru]

What's your read on Omni

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm going to ask why you don't have Hando on that list however. The same goes with any other player. I'm assuming you have a post like that in store?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

What's your read on Omni

I feel he's town. Your partner tell on me and Omni is really out there if I say so myself.

 

[ranmaru]

Yep, I explained that in my catch up. Hando is null to me because he hasn't said as much Bardull has. He just talked about Kary/someperson/someperson I keep forgetting. But with Bardull, he has been giving MORE stances but with little reasoning. That is why it's suspect to me. He's trying to seem like he does have ideas, and this shows because he isn't even giving reasoning. It's just there. "Oh soup is obv scum guys, I just feel it. A million times under the sun. Just trust me guys." Cmon.

Read on Bardull now baby

 

[Omni]

Omni had a weird vote on Soup early D1. Felt like distancing, and I didn't like how Omni never commented on Soup's random vote on him. I feel Omni has only looked at Soup when it was obvious Soup should have been commented on. Later on when there was more talk about Soup Omni hasn't really been commenting on him. Don't like his Scumgheb stance in #493 and seems more like to discredit Gheb. 3/4 of his recent scumreads I think are town. Guess who.

what about my vote on Soup was "weird". i did comment on Soup's random vote on me. told him we both knows it meant nothing. i agree tho that Soup was becoming the flavor of the moment during the whole soup/bardull/kary/jerkus fiasco. also, i talked about Soup the entire D1 as more soup talked progress. literally just search this thread by name for me and search for Soup, lol.

everything else okay. if you're on the gheb love train then it's clear that you're gonna be on the omni hate train. and that means we can't be friends.

 

[ranmaru]

Also when I ask for a read I expect reasoning as well, so omni reasoning too

 

[Omni]

otherwise great catch-up and analysis

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Yeah I really want to lean town on Ran and it's killing me

 

[ranmaru]

what about my vote on Soup was "weird". i did comment on Soup's random vote on me. told him we both knows it meant nothing. i agree tho that Soup was becoming the flavor of the moment during the whole soup/bardull/kary/jerkus fiasco. also, i talked about Soup the entire D1 as more soup talked progress. literally just search this thread by name for me and search for Soup, lol.

everything else okay. if you're on the gheb love train then it's clear that you're gonna be on the omni hate train. and that means we can't be friends.

Quote it for me please. Also, why did you re-read Soup? What exactly made you read him as town. Also no need I don't want to be friends with scum.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I feel like the same position I was in yesterday. I want another flip and this discussion feels trivial as I've got my wheels turning again. I know there are some things I still need to respond to but they have become a tiring and long argument, full of me tripping on my own words and repeating myself over and over again. I am going to bow out for this sake and focus on the stronger direction of discussing who is getting the bullet today.

Reciting my previous post, I really cannot stand Bardull this game. I feel some of this is a perception of how he is playing this game, but really the line between what is truly scummy and what is disdain feels fine to me. I legitimately feel Bardull ignoring me, not pushing me yet putting me up as his strongest scumread, is a load of bull****. Along with his commitment. His interaction with me doesn't make feel better about him and I find myself shaking my head at the fact some people are reading him on town. Mix that in with early interaction too and you've just got a mesh of uncanny feelings and pretenses.

I don't like Kary. I have already boiled down to such reasoning and there is no need to repeat myself. I want to give Ranmaru a chance however. I'm confident on reading him.

JD is such a bittersweet thing for me. His effort is there and he's responding unlike I would think he would, but that's implying he didn't realize his mistakes before as scum and his stepped his game up. I would like to believe that all that JD has done is concrete enough for a town-read, but the back of my head says there's something more to him. I feel there's an obvious connection between him and Kary, and a main reason why I feel like Kary is the right shot is because of this. I've already stated multiple times (and once already in this phase) why I feel this way and my feelings simply haven't changed. I'm only revising them as my content has become sparse.

I literally don't know what Hando is doing this game. I feel even from observation and past experiences, that something is wrong with him. There's no conviction in what he says, there's nothing solid and everything goes every which way. With what stances he has, he doesn't even push them. I'm not going to imply that Hando is a master of mafia, but every town has some incentive to do something. There is a huge lack of incentive regarding him.

Jerkus is just a feeling. I don't like them based on how they're treating me. This isn't confirmation bias rather than tilting my head and just feeling something off. Bear did a good job of reciting a lot but I believe I've covered what I don't like about him either this game. I wouldn't shoot him today.

Mastermind is such an enigma. I don't even want to bother my read on them because frankly I would rather care what they give me in the end, and along with Kary, they have connections.

Right here Ran.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Ran I'm town and I think I was wrong on Kary let's not fight

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yeah I really want to lean town on Ran and it's killing me

Word

 

[Omni]

Quote it for me please.

*scratches head*

I've been ignoring the rest of the thread, but I'll do a reread in a few and share my thoughts on whatever is going down between Bardull/Bear/Kary. I'll probably continue ignoring that initial vote from you, Soup, because I think we both know it didn't have any meaning behind it.

Also, why did you re-read Soup? What exactly made you read him as town.

i'll restate. early D1 Soup: scummy as hell. flailing end of D2 Soup: AtE didn't appear like a scum flail. im a gut player and my gut definitely read a Soup town near his end of D2. also on the continuation of D3. more importantly, after the Dabuz/Marshy flip i felt there were much more better potential candidates now that i'm feeling better about him.

and im not scum. i'm town. very town. and if i was scum (said this before) i would have bus'd the **** out of Soup toDay by using the Dabuz/Marshy flip as a solidifier to Soup being scummy somehow and would have turned his AtE in further reason that he is scum. Soup is an easy lynch toDay and scum me would be:

1.) stupid not to transition from my original scummy read Soup to a solid kill choice
2.) stupid to actually try to reverse my lean on him based off pure AtE

it's distancing/connection that i wouldn't even bother with as scum since saving Soup D2 would have no merit for me whatsoever except escalate my already immaculate brownie points. /endwifom

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Ranmaru: similar to Gheb, do u think that soup and i are scum together? and if not, who do you think my scum partner would be and why?

 

[Omni]

flailing end of of D1 Soup*
continuation of D2*

 

[Omni]

*scratches head s'more*

i dont like that the new kary has me pegged as scum, but w/e. i liked Kary's D1 play too much to take any of that heart.

@Gheb: what is your stance on Kary/Ranmaru after his newest information dump? you've wanted Kary's slot very dead for a very long time; does this change things?

 

[ranmaru]

I wish that would be the case Soup.

So now that you have me as town, doesn't that make your JD stance null, since you felt Kary+him were buddies?

Also I meant reasoning on OmniTown please. Also tell me what you think of his re-read on you when he answers me.

Omni I'll get to you in a minute.

 

[BSP]

Ran, I your picks are fine, but I disagree with the order. I would shoot Bardull before Soup

I have this giant post on Bardull typed out. Any claims about him not pushing anything are correct. I'm interested in what Jerkus is going to say in its reply to me.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I wish that would be the case Soup.

So now that you have me as town, doesn't that make your JD stance null, since you felt Kary+him were buddies?

Also I meant reasoning on OmniTown please. Also tell me what you think of his re-read on you when he answers me.

Omni I'll get to you in a minute.

Actually, a lot it was dealt with partners in a sense but JD has had his own things that bother me, especially that one argument I got in with him earlier in D1. There's something about him and something about his stance towards you also. Why are you townreading JD despite the fact he wants your slot dead toDay? I can say that Omni is purely gut at this point and not nearly as strong as reads like DBear. I can't explain it as I haven't taken the time to go into it much like other slots already dealt with. You have Me, Jerkus, Omni, and Bardull as scum. Is this a team of sorts (You've hinted Me/Omni) and why do you lean certain ways despite others?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@Gheb: what is your stance on Kary/Ranmaru after his newest information dump? you've wanted Kary's slot very dead for a very long time; does this change things?

I'll have to think it through carefully.

 

[ranmaru]

i'll restate. early D1 Soup: scummy as hell. flailing end of D2 Soup: AtE didn't appear like a scum flail. im a gut player and my gut definitely read a Soup town near his end of D2. also on the continuation of D3. more importantly, after the Dabuz/Marshy flip i felt there were much more better potential candidates now that i'm feeling better about him.

and im not scum. i'm town. very town. and if i was scum (said this before) i would have bus'd the **** out of Soup toDay by using the Dabuz/Marshy flip as a solidifier to Soup being scummy somehow and would have turned his AtE in further reason that he is scum. Soup is an easy lynch toDay and scum me would be:

Ranmaru: similar to Gheb, do u think that soup and i are scum together? and if not, who do you think my scum partner would be and why?

Ok thanks, I didn't notice that because I skimmed anything having to do with Dabuz. Why did it take you a while to comment on it tho? Also you say you are a gut player but then how can you show 'scum' to others with just gut? I don't see how Soup's end AtE = Town AtE. Quote which AtE you felt was Town AtE and why. You say Soup is an easy lynch yet you were fine with lynching Dabuz yesterday while being an easy lynch. What do you think of Soup's reads?

Yes, I do think you and him are scum. Not buying your reasoning for re-evaluating him, need more explanation on this.

Also, now that I gave content, how do you intend to go through the day? Also, what was the reasoning behind this: Post #256

 

[ranmaru]

Actually, a lot it was dealt with partners in a sense but JD has had his own things that bother me, especially that one argument I got in with him earlier in D1. There's something about him and something about his stance towards you also. Why are you townreading JD despite the fact he wants your slot dead toDay? I can say that Omni is purely gut at this point and not nearly as strong as reads like DBear. I can't explain it as I haven't taken the time to go into it much like other slots already dealt with. You have Me, Jerkus, Omni, and Bardull as scum. Is this a team of sorts (You've hinted Me/Omni) and why do you lean certain ways despite others?

What 'something'. You are going to have to elaborate on that. I only have a slight town read on him because he seems to be putting that work in. I liked this one post where he was poking Rakebear to see if his stances lined up with his own. Vibed town to me. Don't see anything of concern wrt to JD. Ok can you like quote which posts you are gutreading Omni as town? I'm sure you can do that.

Yes, team. Confident on you and Omni > Bardull > Jerkus.

 

[ranmaru]

Yo Handorin seeing you view. Would like your recent opinions.

 

[Omni]

- did you just say you skimmed anything having to do with Dabuz?

- it didnt take a while for me to comment on Soup. i stated that the first two days (Sat/Sun) i was busy and that i'd be active on Monday. the comment on Soup was within those two days.

- show scum to other players? it's much more difficult, but my gut play style focuses on showing people that i'm obv town. which is probably why i was made King.

- Soup's AtE is an interpretation. it's not going to change what he quoted, but some people might find him more scummy for flailing; i don't. the problem i've encountered is that a lot of people are using a lot of meta this game whereas i'm using none. i've already went back and quoted things that you missed out on; i'm not going to babysit your case on me

- Soup and Dabuz both being easy lynches are a really good point. however, i never got a town lean from Dabuz. i didn't want him alive past midgame and liked where his flip would net. the fact that ur not reading into Dabuz/Marshy's flip is bothering me a lot

- idc much for Soup's reads since i'm more focused on the reads of the player(s) that i find scummy

- and okay and you thinking that him and i are scum. i'll take that into consideration. i think Soup/Omni scum is super dumb connection to make and i just made a pretty logical explanation as to how Soup/Omni scum would go down if that was the case.

- now that u gave me content, people will convince me to me whom i need to kill and why. everyone can jump on my *** toMorrow if/when i lose my Kingmaker position, but don't focus on me toDay since i'm not dying toDay.

- i explained Gheb's post if you read further from that point, Ranmaru. but to restate, i thoroughly liked that he said we should outright ignore a player slot who "appears" to be generating conversation. lined up with my thoughts too well. a major brownie point comment

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I gotcha man, just give me your thoughts whenever you can man :D

Now for this Tangent:

Rake Reads:

Head Reads:
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Town and Or Town Leans:
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JD-ancingQueen
Soupa-Hated-Playa-This-Game-Apparently
Rom-Anom-nom-Omni
Salt(aka Gheb)
BringSomePain

Nullish and/Or Holy Balls I Wish they Would Post:
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Master-Of-Not-Posting-And-Keepin-Everything-Locked-In-His-Mind
Bar-None-Dell-Rio
Kary-ing-Dat-D1-Random-Dabuz-Push-On-His-Back (scummish)


Dem Scummers and Or Scum Leans:
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What-A-Jerkus
Hando-Over-Fist

Gheb are you blind lol ?