Mass Effect (King Maker) - Glorious Way to End the Day. Mafia Wins!

[~ Gheb ~]

Then tell me how you feel about Mastermind and his handling of Hando.

I think it's dumb.

 

[Mastermind]

still reading btw. been hella sick this weekend so I wasn't able to put away as much as I wanted to yesterday. ****'s comin'

 

[BSP]

Omni's probably not really scum. Just whackness paralleled only by Bardull (who is also probably not scum).

Scum is here:

Kary
Soup
Mastermind
Hando
Maaaaaaaybe Jdietz due to the way Soup went full brute against him later into D1, but Jdietz is too on point with his Soup v. Kary read from that time. Feels more like scumSoup flailing against the townie winds.

I disagree with Gheb on now being a time to get rid of liabilities, unless it's Kary or Hando since they fall into that category and are also probably actually scum. We're not wasting the D2 lynch the same way we wasted the D1 lynch. But I don't think I need to worry about Gheb, because his picks are still Kary and Soup, which works for me.

I expected Bardull and Jdietz to be most likely to be suspects out of my town leans list for scum to use as scapegoats. Lo and behold: Soup's suspects.

On D1, despite his disappearance through the middle of the Day, I just remember catching things from him that gave me a town meta read, and he was one of the few people with whom I seemed to share a train of thought on D1.

With all the other scum in this game, he's not someone worth pursuing in my mind right now. That could change if he doesn't decide to get in or out of this game sometime soon. I do not consider his "buddying" of BSP scummy. I think it's natural to have a town read on BSP after the way BSP handled D1, and if Scumdull were looking to buddy a townie, BSP doesn't seem like the type of player he would want to go for.

Bardull, to me, is like Dabuz in this instance. He's kind of an easy player for scum to try to position for a mislynch because he tends to just repel people in mafia games and he's not really around much to defend himself or take much of a lead in the game. This also applies to Jdietz. The difference between the two of them and Dabuz right now is that I actually have town leans on both of them.

Jerkus, I've got some questions:

From the underlined, I'm gathering that you have a town lean on Bardull. Can you go further into this? I agree that his early game gave town vibes to me too, however, I can't say the same for his later play.

The fact that you're keeping him out of your lynch pool altogether makes me think you feel pretty confident about the read as well. What do you like about Bardull besides his early game?

Also, you commented on Soup having Bardull as a suspect. Is there something wrong with having him as a suspect? Has Bardull done anything to warrant not being looked at?

For the bolded, you just left him out of your lynch pool altogether. If you're subject to change, why not keep him in there?

tl;dr - Why is Bardull town? I want you to go more in depth for this. The early game play isn't enough.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I've also raised a couple of concerns about BarDull that I'd kind of like to see discussed. I think he's the best alternative option toDay in case neither soup nor Kary gets executed.

 

[BSP]

How would everyone feel on the Mastermind slot if Hando flipped scum? There's a ton of ulterior motive feelings behind him and I'm with the general assumption of him, however, I feel it's important to get out of the way.

How would you feel about shooting Hando today, Omni?

As of right now, I don't feel that Hando should be shot. I need to look into the Hando v MM incident more to get a better opinion, but I'm on other things right now.

BSP, what decided your execution on Dabuz the previous day despite disliking Kary? Did you ever elaborate on it? I've skimmed a bit but I don't think you should remind repeating yourself for me.

Pressure, exhaustion, and doubt on my part. First, I was ready to end the day, and I had decided on it being between Dabuz and Kary. I knew majority opinion favored Dabuz, but I really wanted to see a Kary flip. In the end, the majority opinion got to me. I shouldn't have let it sway me so much, but I did not want to just go against it and lynch Kary based on my own thoughts, and then be wrong. I had also acknowledged that Dabuz wasn't a bad lynch. I know fear of being wrong is bad, and this is going to sound bad, but it got to me. I did dislike Kary and I would've been fine with his lynch, but the pressure just got to me.

 

[Mastermind]

And then I get read up and see that Omni already broke down everything. Well, **** my *** and call me Philadelphia. Where do we even go from here? He broke down all of his thoughts, but all we know is what shots he doesn't want to make. Or probably doesn't want to make. Or etc.

I dunno, the idea of spending hours and hours digging through the thread that could be spent on homework feels a little redundant when the King has already splayed out that much info. Could get down with a powerskim over the dabuz wagon tho

 

[Mastermind]

@Gheb: Humor me, I'm sure you've said this stuff already, but I can't remember it on D2. What are your concerns with Bardull?

@Jerkus: You wanted elaboration on the Soup gut. Well, it is what it is, it's gut. I get that that's not much to go on, but the whole vibe Soup is exuding is just really reminiscent of Pulp Fiction Soup for me. Occasional loud, flailing spats, then spurts of actually playin' the game. I think it was Circus that said scumSoup tends to just give up when faced with adversity, whereas this Soup seems to bolster himself, pull up the bootstraps and persevere through it, even if there's a lot of whining in the process.

I called it an interim read but it's really not as weak as all that. I just have reservations about it because I haven't put the time in to charting Soup's stances and connections through D1.

 

[Mastermind]

and if we're just gonna keep scumhunting despite Omni throwing out his ****, I guess I need to backtrack, as I had a couple questions that went unanswered. gonna dig em up

 

[Omni]

And then I get read up and see that Omni already broke down everything. Well, **** my *** and call me Philadelphia. Where do we even go from here? He broke down all of his thoughts, but all we know is what shots he doesn't want to make. Or probably doesn't want to make. Or etc.

I dunno, the idea of spending hours and hours digging through the thread that could be spent on homework feels a little redundant when the King has already splayed out that much info. Could get down with a powerskim over the dabuz wagon tho

and if we're just gonna keep scumhunting despite Omni throwing out his ****, I guess I need to backtrack, as I had a couple questions that went unanswered. gonna dig em up

they're my stances, but they're not absolute. and if people agree or disagree with any of it i'd love to hear why

 

[Omni]

mind you, i'm fully aware what scum could try to do with that information, but i needed to put some of the people in the Red in order to boost their activity. this Day has not been moving as well as i had hoped

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Omni, do you know when you are making a decision toDay?

 

[Omni]

Omni, do you know when you are making a decision toDay?

nope, but i'll give people a heads up in advance. not anytime soon for sure

 

[Mastermind]

So Hando totally ignored this when he stopped by.

@Hando: Did you believe in Soup/Kary on D1? Do you still believe in Soup/Kary? What is your one scumread other than that duo, either way? What should we do between Kary-kazi and Sheriff Omni?

Far as I can tell he completely avoided it.

Don't like! Why would he spend time to respond to something pages and pages back but not touch on something in the recent past directed right at him?

 

[Mastermind]

There was also this, directed to soup, when I saw him lerkin' round the bend

Soup! Hi, Soup. I didn't even mean to peek this time, I was just checkin' dgames after loggin' back into EE to ****post elsewhere and there you were.

What do you think of how things went with Mastermind and Hando on D1? The case, the mistakes, and the amended case after they were pointed out? How will that affect your play if you survive D2?

I'd love to hear this before anything else.

This also fell by the wayside. And, I gotta say, I'm pretty ****in' weirded out by the fact that he like... digested my question and then fired it off at another person entirely. Because, I mean, there's no way he just coincidentally asked someone else the exact same question I asked him, right?

 

[Mastermind]

Hmh, and a question I asked of BSP got left behind as well. It's irrelevant now though. Not understanding the crazy number of forgotten questions I'm asking, but whatever.

 

[Mastermind]

Starting to wonder if this font is just too hard to read and causing people to miss ****

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

That was directed to me? Literally didn't see it.

 

[Mastermind]

Okay. It's still pretty weird that you asked the same question of someone else tho

 

[Mastermind]

jesus christ, 5:15 already

I need to do some homework in a bad way, otherwise I just won't do it at all, but I'll be back in a few hours.

 

[BSP]

Hando

Assume that Soup can't get executed today. Who should go?

Bardull, same question

 

[Rockin]

A REMINDER ABOUT SOMETHING
















I am amazing. And all of you are smelly.

Oh, and deadline is on Nov. 12

- slight update on the front page. I put some links for the Day/Night segments

 

[BarDulL]

omni should execute himself then tbqh.

but as far as realistic candidates go, outside of soup, that's a toughie. maybe hando for his whack push d1 on my slot because of by ebwop within a quote. that seriously was unparalleled whackness.

 

[Omni]

omni should execute himself then tbqh.

but as far as realistic candidates go, outside of soup, that's a toughie. maybe hando for his whack push d1 on my slot because of by ebwop within a quote. that seriously was unparalleled whackness.

2/4 omgus's for people i want to shoot so far.

soup is an easy lynch. hando is an easy lynch. do you have any scum reads outside of the easy lynches (people on the dabuz wagon or hando)?

 

[BarDulL]

none of those are omgus lynches. your read change on me feels opportunistic, and i didn't like the way you handled the end of D1.

 

[Mastermind]

I'm here and working on it.

 

[Omni]

im saying u/jerkus responses were omgus'.

my read change hasnt changed on you. wat? i've told you that i've increasingly disliked your play and that it has gone downhill since early game (where i had a town lean on you). why would lynching you be opportunistic? lol. i dont gain anything from you from a personal level i.e. if u were pressuring to kill me so how does me having a scum read on you turn into an opportunistic view?

be more detailed. what about what i said doesnt make since or line up? what about my D1 end of the game didnt you like? i aint askin u to go back and cite and ****, but at the end of the Day i will shoot someone and itd be nice to know that you're actually going to try to explain to me thoroughly why i shouldnt kill you

 

[Omni]

u/jdie tz*

 

[Mastermind]

I am a problem.

I haven't been around because I've been doing things in other games, but I'm currently trying to rectify that by catching up tonight.

I've read most everything and all that's left is to read it again and talk to EE about it (We're talking right now).

I do have more to offer than that, it just doesn't line up with your Omni/NH. I also would love to see Ditz gone and wouldn't hate losing Soup, Dabuz, or Bardull.

This is from a post from mid-day one when I was getting annoyed with Gheb because he was on my nuts about only having Hando. I had Hando, but had previously mentioned these. The only read on that list that changed is Soup, but it's changed to agree with you, so whatever. It's not even something I can argue with you about.

What I am going to do is go over WHY I have my reads instead of just stating them because it's just about all I've got to talk about at this point. Standing in Omni's shadow is just killing me slowly like some ugly hanging fern blocking light out the garden sitting under it.

I like shaping the game, I like pushing and pulling and toying with information when it comes to light to find out what I want and I haven't got that. The hardest part of catching up is breaking into the current game. So check out my next couple posts.

 

[Omni]

thx bro. sry for the sickness but glad your feeling up to par to start coming at this game again^

 

[BarDulL]

i haven't legitimately omgus'd in ages brah.

@everyone - sorry guys, i've been pretty busy with school so i just don't have tons of time. i have a 5 minute speech due tomorrow alongside homework in my other classes, and i've considered replacing out, but i feel like no one in dgames actually wants to plow through 47 pages, also considering the fact that i believe two people have replaced out now or are seeking replacement? correct me if i'm wrong.

anywho, all i can say for now is "i'm town, i don't really like soup for reasons Jerkus pointed out (that which i pointed out earlier), and...shizzle, hell if I can remember the rest. BSP is like 100% town though."

yeah so when i'm clean as a whistle and mafia isn't on the backburner, i'll break into this game with better reads on other slots, but for the time being, can't really so that.

 

[Omni]

would u guys be mad if i shot gheb outta no where

 

[Mastermind]

Before I finish posting this, yes.

Without talking to me about my top two reads, Hando and Ditz, yes.

After that, still yes, but I'd laugh my *** off.

 

[Mastermind]

Jerkus -

Ugh. Such a pain in the *** to deal with.

Straight up, Jerkus can be scum. I would not be surprised. On the other hand, Jerkus can't be scum because there is a good chunk of this cast that I would much rather show the door.

He has a couple things that I really don't like. I don't like his angle on us. Call it whatever you want, but his immediate response was scum team without seeing a flip and without any sort of significant push toward getting one from either us or Hando. He stops talking about it after getting a response and brings it up again later. Really annoying.

Past that, he seems really indirect. Most of what he's doing is floating ideas out there and seeing if they take. This is a thing that persists through to Day 2 until he gets called on a specific thing, but is especially grimy when he's talking with Marshy (and a little Omni) in Day 1 and mentioning problems he has with the way they're playing and never really putting any meat behind it.

On the flip side, when he's called out on these bits that he's sitting behind, he has shown the thought process. I also really liked his response to our question about BSP (who we have as town) and he wanted to keep him around instead of sitting on him as a possible mislynch.

Specific gripes, but on the whole, I like the slot. Certainly not the play today. Town read.

Soup -

Also, really annoying.

I do not remember hating his early play as much as many people are touting it as super ********. I do, however, remember distinctly despising how he played the end of Day 1, constantly whining about wanting a lynch. After having a chance to talk with EE, I'm willing to call him an idiot and move on. Regardless of what his alignment is, I do not, for the life of me, understand the Soup or Kary goes today mindset that I've seen out of Gheb and a couple others straight out of the gate. With a stellar cast including such 5 Star players as Hando, Bardull, and Ditz, I don't understand what would possess you to shoot Soup today.

Death Bear -

Ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh.

Active and really dumb.


Handorin -

I have hated this slot for a long time. He embodies everything I despise and I still want him shot. Tell me something, ANYTHING this slot has done that would make you want to keep him around. ANYTHING AT ALL! I maintain that his early posts with the crowd pleaser mentality and lack of any sort of substance are incredibly grimy. That quality continues to be pumped out at a snail's pace and here we are near the end of Day 2 and we still have absolutely nothing of value from this slot.

Even when he was doing something in his conversation with Omni, he has a halfway accusatory tone, but mostly just trying to keep himself afloat. His entire post was incredibly defensive (as has been his MO all game).

Number two shot choice. Looks bad, smells bad, I'm afraid to put it in my mouth, and if it refuses to take a shower, I don't want it in my house.

That originally said number one shot choice, but I found one I think is even uglier.

Bardull -

Personally, I am left with a general air of being unsatisfied and alarmed by his reads.

At the start of this game we said Bardull is going to be the easiest to read in this game due to the way the set-up works.

If he's town, he's not gonna get a gun. He's going to be REALLY LOUD and needy with trying to convince the gun holder to shoot who he wants shot because he's not gonna deal well with being powerless.

If he's scum, he's gonna try and remain aloof and not do anything. Put on the smarter than thou art air and keep his hide from developing a rash of bullet holes. He's not going to be in the state of pseudo-desperation I see town Bardull finding.

Then you look at his play. He really doesn't do much of value. The only thing he's done that really had a fire lit under him is pop off about not being worth giving a gun (which I expect of either Bardull). Past that, he's mostly been a nonfactor. At the start of Day 2 he even said "I think I'm gonna take a more background approach because school." That doesn't jive well with me and his reads that I've seen don't help his case.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=328855&page=41

There's a page with a good bit of Bardull on it. He talks up Circus for agreeing on Soup, says he doesn't like Soup, gives an airy explanation, and then says he doesn't want to get into it with Soup because " I'm not really in the mood to get in a direct full-on argument with Soup because he's just so abrasive and bothersome."

Definitely can go. Not as pressing as Hando.

BSP -

I don't see BSP playing Day 1 that well if he's scum. I don't mean playing it well himself, I mean looking like a townie trying to figure out what's going on. This man is town and I haven't had a significant problem with him at any point.

There's a lot of cautious town in his play. He's new and the mentality "I want the game to go on for so long to get more information" is so genuine, especially when given a chance to shoot someone WAY earlier with Omni and NH behind him. His gambit is also disgustingly new town. "I'm gonna pull a name from a hat" and even past that he tries to prod the game along constantly.

Would take to LyLo.

Kary -

Go look at my posts when I first started catching up. Kary's stances lined up almost perfectly in sync with what I wanted. Past that it's inactivity. I've asked already for why people hate on the slot, but no one has given me a solid answer.

Town read.

Gheb -

Gheb is a problem.

I hate him. A lot. I would have him on the top of my list of scumspects if I didn't expect just so much more from a scum Gheb. If he's scum, this is one of the absolute worst performances I've ever seen. If he's town, it's not much better. I want him to elaborate on Kary for me and then to shut up.

Brownie points, however, go to the way he treated Bardull early Day 1 because it made me laugh.

JDietz -

Ugly in the same vein as Bardull and Hando except he at least has some content. The problem being that his content is bad. I don't agree with much of anything I remember him posting and that's disgusting.

Recently, he's still going on Kary who I have as town for reasons that just don't pass muster. He's like a dog with a bone with his "Kary Wall," which is really bad in itself.

Looking back, he's been on Kary since his first non confirmation post. That makes things even worse because he stayed on Kary while Kary was still here and posting things I loved.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=14984823#post14984823

There it is. He "votes" Kary in the next post and he holds that Kary and that Dabuz read throughout the entire Day Phase.

I read through Day 1 again to find that wall and it's ****ing insane how inactive he was because it was way worse than I originally remembered. The wall shows up on post #1331 and it's the first hard information he has. He floats some open stances out (scum Kary, scum Soup, scum NH, scum Bardull), but doesn't do much with them. Recommend reading JDitz's posts up to his Kary wall to see what I mean. There's one other post that's straight up mother ****ing golden, but I'll bring that up in my next post.

The wall itself is shoddy. He reads scum on Kary because of overreading RVS. Having him as mafia because of his original post at the start of the game making an offhand buddy me comment directed at Ditz. The remainder is mostly twists and spins designed to make things look bad that aren't (telling Bardull to shut up when he was throwing a hissy fit about having a gun, for example).

Currently I'd put him out the door before Hando.

 

[Mastermind]

And then there's this previously mentioned gem.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14995418&postcount=1214

This post is just so ****ing beautiful. The light agreement with a read that turns out well if Hando flips scum, but then the light slap on the wrist to deflect attention away from Hando. That's a bus if I've ever seen one.

Give me the flip. Let me see it.

For now, I'm leaving McDonald's. I'll be back later tonight.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't know what it is about kingmakers that just make me want to shoot someone and be done with it. Maybe it's the fact there's a gun and I've got an itchy trigger finger. Bardull still keeps posting garbage. Ranmaru hasn't said anything yet. I agree with your scumreads besides Kary and if I could, could I get a reason behind it? Agreeing with stances shouldn't really postulate for a town read but I was there with NH the day before. Still hurt by that loss. This game is ****ing boring.

 

[Death Bear]

I'm nto even expecting Ran to post anything anytime soon with a 40 page D1.

 

[Death Bear]

Death Bear -

Ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh.

Active and really dumb.

Just because i'm annoying to read.
Doesn't mean i can't be right.

My read on soup is null townish atm, yours seems to be the same, me casa es sou casa, talk to me about how you take JD's interactions with your other scummers such as Gheb and what kind of vibes you be gettin

 

[Handorin]

I literally don't know what Hando is doing this game. I feel even from observation and past experiences, that something is wrong with him. There's no conviction in what he says, there's nothing solid and everything goes every which way. With what stances he has, he doesn't even push them. I'm not going to imply that Hando is a master of mafia, but every town has some incentive to do something. There is a huge lack of incentive regarding him.

Everyone must be observed and investigated, should they not? I go the way of the mafia. I am one with them. It takes one to know one. I get what I need when I post. Ironically, I just had this text exchange with my girlfriend, totally unrelated convo, but fitting:
http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/...92E1-A82BE6AFDFC0-2517-0000024F129F344D-1.jpg

So Hando totally ignored this when he stopped by.



Far as I can tell he completely avoided it.

Don't like! Why would he spend time to respond to something pages and pages back but not touch on something in the recent past directed right at him?

Nope. I answered it in my post awhile back when I talked about Jerkus' post. Ok, I take that back. I didn't answer it entirely... I did believe they were both scum on D1, but now I'm of the opinion that soup is scum and kary is town.

Hando

Assume that Soup can't get executed today. Who should go?

Bardull, same question

Soup
Omni
Rockin
Jerkus

Why?
Well, in addition to my last, eye opening post about him, I researched a bit into NH's stances, and knowing he was town, we can probably weigh his stances a bit more than most of the living's. Let's take a look:

-HBC on Dabuz all day (scumread, continuous)
-Fights with Jerkus, dislikes Jerkus (maybe scumread, continuous)
-Dislikes Deathbear because Ryu (probably not scumread)
-Dislikes Gheb (maybe scumread)
-Soft defends Kary
-Gives "Gay seal of approval" on post by Soup saying to either kill Dabuz or Kary (not sure what his Kary read actually is)
Strange comment of having a "back pocket" issue with Omni (see #629)
-Wishy washy on Soup/Kary/Bardull scum. (see #889-890) Soup possible scum but unlikely. Nabe thinks Kary's actions are a Kary tell, Marshy doesn't like them. Both unsure on Bardull.
-Nabe states he hasn't been paying enough attention to Soup

(beyond are pg 30 and later)
-Still dislikes Jerkus, argues
-Reads town on Soup after #1110 ragewalls
-Wants substantiation on me from Mastermind, asks for reads from Kary
-State they would lynch JD before Kary
-Admits for a split second that he might have a townread on Dabuz but still wants him dead (#1210)
-Possibly agreeing with DB's "Kill Hando" sentiments
-Would hate JD if Soup flipped town because of Kary/Soup focus, still hates Jerkus, reaffirms Dabuz is an actual scumread (#1291)
-Doesn't like JD but wouldn't look at him for a D1 choice, doesn't want to go into specifics (#1324)
-Random Deathbear "Garbage post" outburst, wants dabuz dead to enhance reads
-Feels like there's something meaningful to the Kary/Soup/JD interactions, but would rather not deal with them in favor of Dabuz (#1435)
-Tells Soup to shut up wrt antagonizing Gheb because it encourages him not to do work
-Asks Jerkus if any scum whiteknighted Dabuz
-No regrets on Dabuz

Jerkus comes up a lot in that list, and not in a very positive manner. It has given me quite the boner for him. Totally no hetero. So I'd love to see him go.

For now, I'm going back into the shadows. I am being tested the way of accounting tomorrow and need to study it out in my dream state. Farewell.

 

[BarDulL]

Quickly skimmed over MM's post. RykerTown. Although, you're wrong on two accounts. If I was Town, which I am, I would cause an early **** storm because it's as good a place to start as any, then fall back because, well, I really do have school, and I'm dealing with a nice roster of players on the side, so I don't have to worry too much about having to move Town forward myself. Make that three accounts; everyone seems to suspect that I have a "smarter than thou" personality, but to the contrary, that isn't necessarily the case. Perhaps it's my diction or something of the sort that eludes to this personality trait, combined mayhaps with a cynical lens.

If I was scum, I would be active and make sure things went my way, but if I didn't have time for doing so, then I would have immediately replaced out because there's a lot of effort to be put in to make sure a roster of this magnitude is manipulated completely, assuming such a task isn't completely beyond my capabilities to do so already. I wouldn't want to inhibit the scum team's capacity for weaving in and out of Town's mistakes.

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Why was this edited?

 

[Rockin]

Why was this edited?

There was a bit of a conflict and I asked one of the admins to fix it. No wording was removed. Just had to fix one of the quotes.