Mass Effect (King Maker) - Glorious Way to End the Day. Mafia Wins!

[Jdietz43]

(I'm going to go play some games that aren't mafia for awhile, I've been seven kinds of word hog today. Thread can thank me later)

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

people wonder why i say deitz is town.

then he does all this

 

[Death Bear]

people wonder why i say deitz is town.

then he does all this

quote.

and that should be null town but ehh.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Oh boy. More ****ing walls.

**** off Gheb.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Seriously, just **** off.

I'm going to get to this, but I just needed to let something out before I tackle these responses. I've read JDietz case on Kary and I liked it, so much I'm even hesitant to be unsure on my scum read on him. On top of this he actually responded! Let's see what we can do regarding this and I'm starting to lean towards being wrong on him even after skimming the rest of what's he stated. I think it was stupid of me to think that team made sense on such baseless clauses but I feel Kary/Dabuz holds as much weight as it already did in the first place.

Again, **** off Gheb.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Gonna get to what Jerkus posted too as that caught my eye.

Prirorities
- Respond to JDietz
- Look at Jerkus' response and opinion of Hando
- Look at Hando + What Mastermind has on him
- Tell Gheb to **** off again
- Respond to Kary

Alright, one step at a time. Give me a minute to just...lilke...soak this all in.

 

[Omni]

@Omni: I feel like you're trying to play all the sides of the lynch fields right now. Can I get a synopsis of reads from you? Especially on Dabuz, Soup, and Gheb. (also if you could explain why you're ok with Kary right now that would be greatly appreciated as well)

what gives u the idea that im playing both sides? i've been gungho for Dabuz' lynch since the beginning. i've been fine with Soup as a substitute.

sure, Dabuz stepped up his play a bit. and Soup flailing lookin like a town flail is cool. it doesnt suddenly change my position, but does make me reexamine it. so when i say, "hey, marshy, what do u think of dabuz/soup at this point in the game" it's me re-examining my position.

and i've given you my stance on Gheb. he's a cry baby. i've literally created an entire argument (maybe more recently) about how he's pushing nulltells into straight up scumtells. i think he's volatile and i think he's trying to be more assertive as if he deserves some kind of extra attention or respect. but that's not the case because his arguments are flimsy and his supporting evidence is lacking. i have no idea if he's scum or town right now.

i just want a flip so i can play some real mafia. i don't have interest in this day anymore. i've already got my prospects, points of interest, and line-ups in order pending on Dabuz' flip. just waiting for BSP to pull the trigger.

 

[Omni]

the way i see it; toDay has been a success. we've got plenty of information to use for toMorrow. some of these people you're focusing on right now? might end up toMorrow. we don't have to draw out D1 obsessively. just draw up a lynch pool. use ****ing votes as a standard. tally them up. pull the lynch (making it a town majority decision). then get into the real nitty gritty tomorrow.

toMorrow is the Day when we need to be extending our max time limit as far as necessary cuz toMorrow is when we're going to have much stronger reasons to find someone scummy as opposed to toDay where it is much more reliant on meta and gut instincts.

instead, people would rather post overswarm novels and that's just not my bag baby

 

[Omni]

ya'll act like ya'll dont know what D1 is about

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Omni. Your words speak to me. I want this day to end as much as you do. I hate every minute of this and blew off responding to watch the World Series.

 

[Omni]

and you know what, Gheb? you might not like my playstyle, but you need to get over your ego and do this right. stop knockin me and trying to paint me in a bad light like i dont know how to play mafia. i've made my connections. i've established one with every single person in this game. if i die, people will be able to go back into my history and read my connections with every single person in this game.

my weakest connections have been hando, kary, jdietz, and now more recently bardull. take that as you will as well.

you said something earlier like, "i have nothing to prove" which really urked me. because you do. you need to prove to us that you're town. if u think u can dictate and rambo your **** into this game and then start calling people scum cuz u dont like the way they play you need to re-evaluate your game. if i didnt know that you HAD to be the least bit decent because i know you've been playing this game for a while i would literally be all over that *** cuz creating scumtells out of nulltells is probably the laziest and weakest **** a player could do.

im transparent. i make people comfortable because im authentic. wifom this; wifom that. most people here have come to the realization that it's a far outreach/cry for me to be scum. so i am doing my job here.

regardless if you listen to my advice or not *shrugs* i honestly don't care. keep calling me scum. keep giving my awful reasons as to why my nulltells are scumtells. please. so far, the only contribution you've made for me is not making me look more obv town than i already am. so in a way, i'm grateful that you're playing so bad.

 

[Omni]

Omni. Your words speak to me. I want this day to end as much as you do. I hate every minute of this and blew off responding to watch the World Series.

that sucks

look i did a reread on you toDay cuz your recent play has felt better. i dont think u responded in detail when i talked to you earlier about toDay about Dabuz when i said i was uncomfortable.

how were u able to have such a strong scum read on Dabuz so early in the game? and why has your gameplay changed so drastically from what it was earlier? is it cuz your *** is on fire?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I get into the game and I start caring more. I play D1 usually more subtly and do things with my own reasoning behind them. I found something to do more than that and just instantly I had full commitment. I hate every moment of it but I still do what I need to do in order to get **** done. I suppose it's situational, If I feel a game is going fine without me intervening or needing to get hard on anyone, then I don't intervene. It's not like Gheb and I don't post everytime with literally nothing to add besides his own ideals and he can't respectively follow up on that. I usually just ask questions around slots that have my interest and information hunt. It's possible that in that process that I'll hit scum somewhere and that's when you see the fire if I feel it's evident enough or Town just isn't making the right calls. Right now BSP isn't making the right call and that's why I needed to rant and rave about it.

I've actually made a pseudo case on Dabuz a couple of pages back. I'll dig it up for you. Really the basis behind it was purely meta but even after I ISOd it and got into a case format, the meta still becomes a factor. Scum Dabuz isn't very good. He was caught easily early in the game (by me) because he just kept posting pointless things. There's no intention to scumhunt even from his early lines in the game, and his commitment is just a deal breaker after that. Once analyzed and put out for all to see, I was hoping that it would get BSP off my case and get BSP to start making the right calls. This isn't about me saying someone else is wrong, this is just me saying that mine is better and I'm not trying to just spit fire. I'm not that player and I have to have a sound reason before I even start spitting fire.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I think I've let my anger and frustration get the better of me, but I'm not a ***** for one and two I'm not afraid to ring your neck if I have to. I got really hard on JDietz after I felt I pieced something in my mind as legitimate. Maybe too hard if I think about it as his responses are really nice and cooling me down. You won't see my slip back into early game playstyle either, even though I might not be swearing and *****ing about everything in this paragraph, the commitment and amount of effort is still there. I've got a lot to talk about already so I guess I've had time to chill also. It's nice.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

First off before I respond to what you've wrote JDietz, I thought about how hard I was on you and something I've concluded is that you really did your homework on Kary. I was impressed to see that amount of effort to come from and even if I'm letting you weasel out, it's a huge improvement. Kudos either way.

Doing nothing is a problem, yes. But it isn't a scum-tell. It's something that should be addressed (I think we've all made that pretty clear that it will/should be), but you can't point to it and say "Look! Dabuz only made a few posts, he must for sure be scum!" and expect to have that taken seriously and not scrutinized for reads. I have been keeping with thread, and every time you tell me I'm lying I suspect it is in fact you who is lying. (I'd still like to hear what you thought my lie was this recent time. You didn't answer when Death Bear asked before, because the "lie" you talk about soon here is me having Omni on my scum list and Jerkus rips that to shreds)

It's the intention. I've elaborated a bit on why I felt Dabuz was scummy for it with response to Omni but even the dumbest town wants to try and scumhunt. There's just no effort by Dabuz in him. There's no incentive, he doesn't follow up on his own reads, he doesn't follow up on his own procedures, and he doesn't even follow the thread. The factor lies with comparison. I'm not going to say Dabuz is the best town in the world either but clearly Dabuz doesn't care either way what happens. That's where the scum lies. Scum doesn't care about walls, arguments, logical explanations, or even reads. They'll bull**** as hard as they have to and right in your face. It just depends if you pick up on it. I don't understand why you added Omni to your scum-list so suddenly. I didn't understand your logic and you didn't leave an explanation behind it. I'd like you to elaborate if he's still on that list and why he appeared there in the first place.

Kary I've explained. You I think are scum with Kary, as you've been simultaneously attacking him for bussing and chainsawing me for him. Your inteactions are way too strange to be a coincidence, your Dabuz push took far too long to substantiate, and I get the feeling you're more interested in ending the day and putting out sarcastic hashtag comments than discussing (though you've been doing better since the time of this post). No Hetero I suspected for his Dabuz push and buddying of Kary and Omni (iirc). I've put that one on hold for awhile. Omni just feels malevolant and more interested in ending the day fast and arguing with Gheb than doing meaningful work. He's also on hold. All of these concerns are current to at least a significant degree.

Yeah, I was doing pretty ****y early on but bygones be bygones. I know the instance has got you wondering why but can you really condemn me for just poor play? It caught my eye after it was shown to me, and I just find myself almost shocked I missed it. I've covered this reasoning before and I still need to respond to Kary as he finally did. I blew him off because at that time I had waste 2 straight hours of just responding to things and making rebuttals of my own. I want you to still tell me why you felt it made sense with Kary or if that was just a feeling you had about him. What do you think of Omni as of late?

I disagree, and you haven't done anything to show me that Dabuz is a factor to be legitimately concerned with. The burden of proof is on the accuser, and you (as well others) haven't done the footwork. I can't show you the nothing, you have to show me the something to disprove the nothing. I resent being compared to deer in headlights when you're the one making flails at this point.

Understand my disposition and why I am flailing at first and look at this post. It's a mini case on Dabuz so far and my thought process behind him. That's all that's really needs to be said as you handled this response really well. Would you go Dabuz after reading that? Do you agree Dabuz/Kary is a team that could make sense? I'm not going to quote your last response as it's covered basically in this response. Really liking JDietz' response to me. Digging the case on Kary also.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Getting back to more the relevant parts of the response.

I want to take a moment to ask you something:

Why are you so intent on toDay ending Soup? Between comments like this and your sarcastic "#HBC 2012 #Dabuz not dead ****ty game" comments you really seem to just want this over with. Why? Ending the day early is generally anti-town, and I could buy it being your feelings except for now you've made this big show of coming back into the game when no one died.

What was that about?

Because I was pissed and frustrated to no ends with this game. BSP had been hinting dislike to me for one and really I just felt like we had money with Dabuz. I didn't feel the need to drag this **** out into 1000 posts, I'm sure you don't either and nobody likes a game on D1 with 1000 posts. This is not enjoyable in the slightest but you work with the **** you have and get it done. I got aggro as hell because of the same but just because I get aggro doesn't mean that I don't mean what I say regarding anything. I get pissed, I get frustrated, I mash madly on my keyboard with a look of absolute hatred in every single character I type in. That doesn't mean what I'm saying isn't different from what I would say if I wasn't angry about it. If anything, me being pissed about it should let you know I'm not ****ing around anymore. I thought that would help you understand why I acted the way I did, and possibly will still do.

Also, do you still want Dabuz over Kary? Which one would you be more confident in flipping scum? (and do you still hold to the theory that me Dabuz and Kary are a scum-peanut butter sandwich)

Dabuz, but your Kary case is great and on top of my reasoning as far as I car either one can flip scum just as likely as the other. I'm feeling partners between them and starting to think you're not apart of the equation. The amount of effort and time you put into that case was great and the fact you stayed calm with me after you realized I was just absolutely furious with you is just even more to add as to why you're not on the equation. I want you to give me a hypothetical and tell me who you think Kary's partner is (besides me because I'm not!!!) and who you're going for. I also would like to know if Dabuz is lynched and flips scum, would your stance on Kary be stronger or weaker?

 

[Grizzlpaw]

Oops... wrong page nvm

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Why did you attack so me so aggressively after I got on you? Did you already in your mind have me as Kary's partner and you felt that I was just trying to string you with him? I can't look at that and cross it off just yet because that really set me off as a reason why I got so hard on you in the first place, that along with your attitude.

Ok that's accurate, then what was your problem previously when you said I wasn't looking into my scum reads.

You didn't post anything up until then and you were just being so goddamn lazy about things. You didn't show up until I got hard on you and boy you really just set off like a fuse about ti much like I did. The difference is that I felt you were being negligent to Dabuz and ignoring him completely. Your reasoning is sound and you don't think pushing a null is the right idea. Your logic is not something I can have a problem with. You've explained yourself.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Oops... wrong page nvm

You are forgiven

 

[Death Bear]

I think it's time for Soup and JD to hug it out

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Then stab him in the goddamn back later if he gets back on my ****list. This is war, damnit. I don't play this game to buddy all my friends and not lynch them.

These triangles mean ****ing business

 

[Death Bear]

fair enough

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

In that case, how do you feel about the possibility that Marshy is buddying you?

Indifferent. I'll get around to it if I'm left in a position where he's not already night killed or it's getting close to mylo/lylo. I don't take time to read slots like that as I feel I have my read on marshy pretty solid. I'm okay with him buddying me as long as he's with my cause. Considering his hydra, I might not let him get too close however.

 

[Death Bear]

also, i'm not crazy about 1382 posts so far, but really , i've always had the opinion that more posts = more time scum has to play safe / lurk / all the rest, which leads to slip ups and as long as town can get it's shiz straight, works out to an even trade off. Usually

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Checking on the Tigers to see if they're getting their ***** handed. Back to the grind after that.

@Ninja

Depends. You're right one regard but a 500 D1 with stances and elaboration compared to a 1000 D1 with just the same amount is not better. It's true we've had more time to do things but the main point of all this talk is to come to a conlcusion and lynch scum. I'd rather lynch scum than waste my time writing walls.

 

[Handorin]

Alright, guess what guys. It's late and I got an early class tomorrow and have work till close. But guess who cares. That's right, not me. I'm sacrificing sleep for this internet game. So watch out. I'll be plowing through almost 10 pages I think of stuff to give you, the people of DGames, sufficient response to the immense hate that gathered in my absence.

 

[Handorin]

And actually, to be honest, I'll probably skim a lot of this junk unless it has to do with me. So if there is anything specific you want me to look at, speak now or forever hold your peace. Post numbers are preferable.

 

[Death Bear]

God this game has too many pages....god....Rake you're a true bro and man for doing this all.

I find Omni to be null leaning town, but I'm not super confident in that read. I usually need multiple days before I can get a final judgement on him. He's one of the players I really don't think I could personally nail in a single day. Plus his habit of refusing to take stances at times, but there is a reason for that.

Soup has me more...conflicted than before, he is still someone I want dead, but the more recent exchange comes off more as Soup being true to himself more and more.

I want Hando dead more than anyone else at this point. He's just posts such disgustingly null content with appealing to others, I really can't understand why Dabuz gets all this hate and he's just skating in the background like he is.

Dabuz just comes off as...defensive because he worries of messing up, but not in the scum kind of way if that makes sense. He got jumped on early and imo without valid reasons, I don't accept the "scum will never touch him, he needs to die before he wrecks us" stuff. He's not going to skate away on bad play, but the intent is in no way clear to me at this point. I see it more likely as town than scum, and even worse how disgusting his wagon built up.

Mastermind will remain forever null til I know they did something that spells town, usually a scum flip pushed by them. I might see town for other reasons but right now, it's just hard to put players who are great as masking themselves as strongly town.

No Hetro, I think they are town, the way they portray themselves and push seems like they want it because they think Dabuz is scum, not because, let's lynch this guy.

Jerkus...idk, I really kind of missed stuff they posted, I may like the defensive posting, but not so much calling people on the wagon more likely to be lynched. I don't see that as being the case with many of the people whom I think have reasons, but not fabricated nor opportunistic, well most of them.

Kary, I wanted him dead, but I forgot why I wanted him dead. Something about how his early posts looked grimy with how he pushed, but I forget.

Bardull I don't remember.

Gheb is...*throws arms up* idk guessing town off his attitude.

JDietz, he's pushing like he normally does, and that's about it off my skim.

Dabuz is Dabuz.


I got lazy at the end, Probs because I remember less from them and have been relying on Rake in the QT more. Hando or someone on my idk list is what I think right now. More so Hando since he is my only strong scum read.

 

[Death Bear]

Oh I forgot.

eanut:

I guess I really just want BSP to shoot someone and then reread with flips in mind.

:king:

 

[Handorin]

Gosh dang. I've read 3 pages and all it is is bickering of what people "have" and "haven't" done. "I did prove it!" "Nuh uh!" "Uh huh!" "Just end the day" "Naw mang ur useless, do sometin" Is it over yet?

 

[Handorin]

dude, don't shoot Soup over Dabuz. that's silly

Iirc, isn't he your biggest scum read (to that point)? I still don't understand this flip.

I said, Train Kept A Rollin' all night long
Train Kept A Rollin' all night long
Train Kept A Rollin' all night long
Train Kept A Rollin' all night long
With a heave, and a ho
But I just couldn't tell her so, no, no, no

 

[Handorin]

Hando said he felt I was scum because I edited a quote. He said it was a "tool of deception", even though I stated "the quote is edited" in the same post that the edited quote was in.

He REALLY didn't push me on it though and admitted later it was reaching, but I feel like it was an attempt to set me up for problems later. I also don't get how he could have felt I was scum based on that post...like, it was pretty silly if he's Town.

Here is my quote in regard to that:

I'm not sure how I feel about bardull at the moment. The edited quotes bothers me a lot actually. It isn't very conventional and feels like he uses it to hide things or subtly change his opinion without having to recant things outright. The changes haven't been too bad though, so I can't call it outright scummy as of yet.

That said, I think bardull vs Kary is TvT. I don't think either are scum, but I'd say bardull is scummier of the two. Kary is being his normal nonchalant self and I can see where he's coming from.

I never did say you were scum. It fact, I called you town (although, yes, scummier, but not scum level). It does make me a bit queasy when I think about the possibilities it can open up, especially when half of us are too lazy to go back and look at the original quote and compare. I wanted to raise a flag so everyone would be aware in the future. I don't see how that's scummy or anti town at all.

 

[Handorin]

okay so yeah this is EE puttin' in a rare appearance here. Didn't talk to Other Half yesterday because I was too busy learning things and getting drunk (not even in that order... simultaneously...)

"EE I thought you were hiding in a QT because you suck and your butt smells and you like to kiss your own butt?"

Well I do but that assumes a certain amount of Ryker pullin' his damn weight, and things diverted off the Hando path so quickly. Not exactly surprising, though, considering Ryker did a pantspoopingly bad job of trying to sway people

So I'm going to ignore all the F***fest of the last page and a half or so and just break down dat read

While Hando is in fact a lurkito that has been fed a hundred rare candies to evolve, that's par for the nulls for what I was expecting. What I remember about playing with Hando in the Old Days, though, and what I was wary of coming into this game now that he's older and wiser (both internet-wise and IRL), is that he's got a hell of a poker face.

In both games I played and hosted Handoscum could just do such outrageously, bold-facedly scummy things and poker face it so hard you would seriously question yourself on whether you can call it or not. Even as a ****in' activated innocent child. He's just... white noise. And this is back when he wasn't very good at it. Now that it's been a few years I've been expecting more competence from him and I think his play has lined up with that. Couple it with the Poker Face and it's an ugly read

Thank you.

Still with me? I'm almost done.

So Ryker and I were talking through the roster and Hando had a lot of... well, as Ryker put it, "this is bad, and this is bad, and this isn't too bad but when you look at it this way..." The things ryker brought to the table for me to munch on weren't conclusive, but they at least weren't out of line with Scumdorin. So when Ryker finally started making his presence known I suggested that no matter what we end up pushing we just kind of keep our **** list out there and see who starts wiggling on the hook.

and... it was Hando.

We just can't get past this. Our **** list was so on the periphery I just have a hard time seeing someone getting that bent out of shape about it. Sure, I of all people know what it's like when people take sideswipes at your credibility for no damn reason, but this felt different. Hando didn't get bent out of shape about the whys of our suspicions, just the fact that we had any at all. That's getting out of a reasonable reaction and into, though not OMGUS, the root emotions that cause it.

And the reaction, jegus freaking gorf. he specifically counters his place on the **** list with a swipe at credibility. Why the hell couldn't this slot read him? Both halves have been around the block a good twenty or so times AND played with Hando. I just can't freaking look past this. We put our **** list out there, it's niggling at Hando from the periphery, and he just ****ing snaps like that, and tries to suggest that a Ryker/EE hydra -- of all ****ing players -- can't read him.

I can't make sense of that from Towndorin. He doesn't seem to find us suspicious nor try to assuage our doubts. Just snaps. The whole way he reacts falls in line better with someone that already knows our alignment (because he's scum) than a townie on the **** list of someone else trying to figure out why they were placed on it and what the other person's motives are.

So let me sum Hando up in the words of the Angry Video Game Nerd:

"And THIS ****in' thing

And this ****in' thing.

And THIS ****in' thing!

And this ****in thing!

AND THIS ****in' thing!

...I don't like it."

Look, man. Can't we all get along? We all have rough times and we say things we don't really mean. I was tired, I was vulnerable. I was looking to you two, as fellow Old Timers, to know me and love me for who I am. Total No Hetero. It cut me to the core and for a moment, I forgot who I was and ripped my mask off my face. I wanted to believe you were town, I gave you the benefit of doubt. That's why I snapped the way I did. But I assure you it's not because I know you're alignment, I just believed it to be so. My inner town cried out past the #1 Rule, "I AM INNOCENT!" And I assure you I'm reading the rest of the town with scrutiny except the past few pages. I'll scrutinize those more later.

 

[Handorin]

pretty sure that was an icing to the cake to solidify their scumread, gheb.

your scumhunting seems really lacklucster toDay, too.

Not much of a scum read though. More like they can't read my poker face and I haven't been cranking out fantastic posts that take stances on D1. Ok, I guess that's scummy enough if you want it to. Moving along now. Still have a few pages to go...

 

[Handorin]

I can go back and point out his previous posts where he doesn't do **** but appease people. I can point out how he has stayed consistently V/LA and never addressed his ****ty reaction that was the final straw.

I do have more to offer than that, it just doesn't line up with your Omni/NH. I also would love to see Ditz gone and wouldn't hate losing Soup, Dabuz, or Bardull.

You say he's a good pick, but when do you get to him, Gheb?

I hope my recently posted response was able to appease you. I am deeply sorry that I'm V/LA due to (*shock*) being on vacation, then coming back and cramming some homework in, coupled with work. =D I'll do better in the future.

My general play D1 is to understand where everyone is coming from and see what sort of valid points they have. So I guess, yes, this would be appeasement. "Yes, it could be this...ok..." "He could be scum...more of a null right now". And therefore my general read on everyone is nullish unless something really sticks out. And of course, we know this happens later in the game more often in early game cause it's a snow ball.

 

[BarDulL]

Gentlemen.

I am here for one hour. I will look over the previous 5 pages and get a grasp of things, then swiftly try to apply judgment. Unfortunately, I don't have nearly enough time to do otherwise.

 

[Handorin]

Shoutouts to PokemonMasterJamal3. He must be a trooper to read this thread.

 

[Handorin]

EE (or Ryker, you can take this if it suits you), the intensity of your read on Hando feels like overkill now that I've reread Hando. By like 1000%, man.

This seems to be the post that really set you off, and it's kind of nothing.



Prior to this, you(r slot) seemed to just be on him because he was being noncomittal and lurky (which is null for Hando, and your 1259 actually admits this). Then Hando responds to some of your criticisms against him with a pretty basic "you should know better" post, and that's it.

However, this isn't really what I want to get to. Let's talk about this:


I kept a big chunk for context, but the bottom half is the most important. I want to bring attention to this, because it looks like mischaracterization on a reread. Hando didn't freak out because you dangled his name in a scumreads list a few times. The real catalyst was NH questioning your Hando stance, and you justifying it with what could very well be nulltells considering Hando's meta. To that, Hando responded with the "you should know better" line. Which I think is kind of accurate, even if it doesn't make his play not ****ty.

But this next part is more important, I think.



That's actually not true. It's the opposite. Let's take a look at the way Hando "snaps" again:



First, that's the whole thing. Hardly a "snap."

Second, and more importantly, while I will admit the grammar is a bit questionable here, Hando's not saying "you can't read me, so don't try." He's saying "that's not a scumtell for me, and you should know that because you should be able to read me." In your 1259, you actually say Hando's response is almost the opposite of what it actually is.

Part of me wants to chalk this up to a misunderstanding, but at least one half of your slot seemed to understand it perfectly fine:



Ryker posted that immediately after Hando's "snap." He at least seemed to understand what Hando was saying; his argument then became "if this slot can't read you (tacitly admitting it can't), then you deserve to die because you're a liability." Where as your argument now (presented in 1259, the EE Zinger), is "I can read you, and you're scum for suggesting I can't." It was your slot that first suggested that it can't read Hando.

Granted, these posts are from two different heads, but you two seem to be conversing quite a bit. That you guys could apparently come to the exact same read on Hando, based on polar opposite understandings of the main post he made that triggers your alarms on him, apparently without even realizing it, is unnerving to say the least.

I dunno, man. Kinda seems like your blowin' smoke, to me.

*insert ttgl brofist pic*

I approve this message. Said so beautifully.

 

[Handorin]

Guess I'm done with the catch up. I know I want to look at the JD walls a bit more, those caught my eye since soup seems to be getting some flak too. I'm just too tired to do much more. If you got questions, direct them (and post # if necessary) at me. My body is ready.

 

[BarDulL]

Ugh, I tried to take a stab at this thread, and then I got ***** by the sheer number of posts.

Seriously, this is DAY ONE and there are 35 posts. Are you ****ing kidding me? This has got to be the most posts in a single day...EVER.