Mass Effect (King Maker) - Glorious Way to End the Day. Mafia Wins!

[Death Bear]

^ still a better love story than twighlight

 

[Death Bear]

Everyone give me an opinion on JDietz if I think about it.

Hard headed null town, still waiting on your answer to my question btw if you can get to it.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Yeah. Please explain after reading that last page. I don't think I'm being crazy about him.

 

[Death Bear]

without looking at my short notes the main thing he's doing to you now is pretty spot on to what he did to me in Utrik'd.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I haven't played with TownDietz in ages. Is he really that stubborn and glutton for punishment? I don't read his posts and feel that way at all, what's the defining factor of your meta? Do you agreement with what I've presented against him? I'm fine with you being a bit lazy about responding but get to it eventually. Sooner the better.

 

[Death Bear]

Soup, of the people on your wagon, who is your top scum pick JD considered , is it still kary / dabuz or has it changed ?

You mentioned JD lied, show me this, what makes his push on you scummy over hard headed JD town ?

This question soup, I also still want you to talk to me about Bardull, who during you and JD's fight as you'll recall, came in wanting you gone as well.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Bardull is bardull. Hasn't read. Hasn't posted anything looking at. Vig Fodder.

I clarified in all that basically in the argument I had.

JDietz > Dabuz > Kary

I'm giving Kary more to work with because I feel there's redemption in that slot and it's worth keeping around if he's town. JDietz really needs to respond to me and I'm going to be pissed if he doesn't. I can't solidly say anything all besides what I've put out at the moment.

 

[Death Bear]

I can see what your presenting clearly, i'll have to tackle your questions at school though, i'll grab my notes later and either wall it out for the hell of it or tl;dr it for you.

Also, if you remember utrik'd you'll recall he took a lot of flak form you included for how balls deep he went on my slot

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Not as much. And I was bull****ting considering I was just an Indy. I think I've got hard on JDietz once in the newbie I was IC'ing but that's it. I just need to wrap my head around it more as I feel that I do have my opinion but others might be more informed about him.

 

[Death Bear]

if you dont' , then basically the long and short of it is after finding out zen had BS'd by way of me asking glyph(i already knew zen bs'd but that's besides the point here), he went absolutely blls to the wall for my slot , and not only took flak from indyYou, but also from townOrbo, townBardull and was at one point considered to be solid lynch pick because townBardull mainly was totally convinced that JD refusing to look at both sides once locked in was grimey as hell.

 

[No Hetero]

I don't think I'm being crazy about him [JD].

youre not. i would ****ing HATE jd if you flipped town cuz hes been talking about you/kary as scum all ****ing day and thats pretty much it. i also despise jerkus and ****ing hate that this town ignores him as well

bsp please kill dabuz. hes scummy and i dont feel like having this entire game play play tug of war with him for the rest of the game. i guarantee you that the scumteam love having him around regardless of his alignment (and yes i actually think hes scummy before some ******* mother****er comes in here like "durrr u no want him lynched 4 scumread?"). i especially hate how jerkus calls him null but is willing to lynch HIS ENTIRE WAGON before him. dude has like 5 lynch options on the table and setting himself for so much room to maneuver its utterly ****ing ridiculous. cant BEGIN to comprehend how people have that mother****er as town. but this is a battle for after dabuz is ****ed outta hear

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I hated J's post. I think it's possible if there isn't money in what I've already put out. I don't like him either this game and I feel like Circus isn't getting into things. He's made his opinion clear then he just goes back into the shadows once more. I am probably betting they won't post that much if at all considering how long this day phase has gone on. It's reliving to see that you don't care about this bull**** because trust me writing those walls wasn't a fun experience.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

pretty sure that was an icing to the cake to solidify their scumread, gheb.

It's a worthless read.

And you don't have the right to call out anybody for their scumhunting mr. "I'd rather lynch a "liability" than to actually do anything useful". You're still like the most useless player in this game so far and if a liability needs to be removed it's you.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Everyone give me an opinion on JDietz if I think about it.

Should absolutely not be executed toDay and depending on toDay's flip not be lynched any time soon.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Great. Give a reason.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I don't back-up town reads unless said player is a strong contender for a lynch. Only paints a target on their back. At this point it'd be a mistake to lynch him in my opinion.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

And you're only against dabuz because Omni is pushing him as liability? That's the only thing I get out of your posts. Are you caught up?

 

[Death Bear]

Hey it's me here, Rake that was EE posting.

Please kill Hando BSP, that's my #1 pick right now, though Rake I think has other fish in mind.

:hpfox:

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm not *particularly* opposed to executing dabuz. I just think there are much better flips toDay and at least three people are scummier than him. I wouldn't cry or complain about him gone but there's a bunch of people that need to die like asap. Omni has nothing to do with it, it just happens that my two initial scumreads [Omni and NH] are pretty damn ******** about him - Omni going after him despite NOT having a scum read on him [but on others] and marshy ever pretending to understand stuff. Almost everybody who wants dabuz lynched has failed to actually say *anything* of worth about him. I don't care if he dies or not but if none of you, Omni, NH or Kary is executed toDay we may have already lost this game just because of how ******** a lot of people are. Like, so far there's like one or two players I can imagine playing a decent king. That's pretty terrible.

 

[No Hetero]

I hated J's post. I think it's possible if there isn't money in what I've already put out. I don't like him either this game and I feel like Circus isn't getting into things. He's made his opinion clear then he just goes back into the shadows once more. I am probably betting they won't post that much if at all considering how long this day phase has gone on. It's reliving to see that you don't care about this bull**** because trust me writing those walls wasn't a fun experience.

see how youre putting all this effort in and hating viewing the thread to bsps demands while dabuz continues to post like every other day and make just generally forgettable posts and doesnt get grilled nearly as much? this holds true regardless of both your guys alignments. **** like that is swhy i dont bother with walls bro

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

amen marshy

 

[Mastermind]

EE put me on blast, but yeah.

ryker earlier you said not to shoot soup. do you stand by this? (also i only get to be wrong 2 times instead of 3 nowadays? gorf knows i love a tight leash)

Three times seemed a bit too loose. After three, who's left around to lynch you.

As for Soup, that read changed about three posts later. Current "OH GAWD I NEED A LYNCH! ****! PLEASE GIVE ME A LYNCH! BSP PLEASE SHOOT DABUZ GAWD!" Soup is a completely different player than I had seen in reading the beginning and I hate it. He starts begging for a lynch as we start to actually get somewhere with the day phase.

No, I don't stand by that. Haven't been standing by it for awhile.

Did Ditz ever explain why Kary?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

By the way Gheb all your #1299 tells me is that you're not caught up all I've done for past few days is rant about Dabuz/Kary/JDietz.

 

[Mastermind]

I'm not *particularly* opposed to executing dabuz. I just think there are much better flips toDay and at least three people are scummier than him. I wouldn't cry or complain about him gone but there's a bunch of people that need to die like asap. Omni has nothing to do with it, it just happens that my two initial scumreads [Omni and NH] are pretty damn ******** about him - Omni going after him despite NOT having a scum read on him [but on others] and marshy ever pretending to understand stuff. Almost everybody who wants dabuz lynched has failed to actually say *anything* of worth about him. I don't care if he dies or not but if none of you, Omni, NH or Kary is executed toDay we may have already lost this game just because of how ******** a lot of people are. Like, so far there's like one or two players I can imagine playing a decent king. That's pretty terrible.

I agree with your sentiment, but not your scumlist.

 

[Death Bear]

Alright, at a computer , let's see if i can make this make sense

 

[Mastermind]

So EE, you think Hando is scum because of one untypical reaction? I mean, I can see where you're coming from but it's one ****ing point. That's a thin basis for an execution - somewhere on the backburner or as a missing link or something. It's not a bad read at all, I'll give you that but I think by now your playerslot should have a lot more to offer than that.

I can go back and point out his previous posts where he doesn't do **** but appease people. I can point out how he has stayed consistently V/LA and never addressed his ****ty reaction that was the final straw.

I do have more to offer than that, it just doesn't line up with your Omni/NH. I also would love to see Ditz gone and wouldn't hate losing Soup, Dabuz, or Bardull.

You say he's a good pick, but when do you get to him, Gheb?

 

[Omni]

I agree with your sentiment, but not your scumlist.

it essentially makes no sense to have a scumread on me, Gheb. this is why i'm calling you out on your reads and saying that you're whining. you're placing scumtells on nulltells. the basis of your argument for me was:

- i'm pushing a lynch for someone i have a null on
- i'm not being "serious"
- i haven't done any real scumhunting

the first two are flimsy, horrible basis. and the last one is is just dumb incorrect. if i wasn't scumhunting, many more people would be on my *** outside of you. you're just trying to tack more onto the plate so you don't come off as 100% simple in regards to your stance on me.

only reason why i want you alive is so i don't appear to obv town and get NK'd N1. that's pretty much it.

@Mastermind: which sentiment are you agreeing with in regards to Gheb's recent post

 

[Omni]

meant to quote this

I'm not *particularly* opposed to executing dabuz. I just think there are much better flips toDay and at least three people are scummier than him. I wouldn't cry or complain about him gone but there's a bunch of people that need to die like asap. Omni has nothing to do with it, it just happens that my two initial scumreads [Omni and NH] are pretty damn ******** about him - Omni going after him despite NOT having a scum read on him [but on others] and marshy ever pretending to understand stuff. Almost everybody who wants dabuz lynched has failed to actually say *anything* of worth about him. I don't care if he dies or not but if none of you, Omni, NH or Kary is executed toDay we may have already lost this game just because of how ******** a lot of people are. Like, so far there's like one or two players I can imagine playing a decent king. That's pretty terrible.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Ryker, I'd love to work with you when you're caught up. All I'm gonna say.

 

[Omni]

and in regards to flips:

- my flip is actually pretty decent for info actually
- no hetero's is less decent
- kary's is also less decent
- dabuz - the king of awesome flips

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Remembered I still need to respond to Kary. Remembered I wanna gonna look at Hando after EE's mini-wall.

Sigh. Too much **** to do in this goddamn game.

 

[Death Bear]

I haven't played with TownDietz in ages. Is he really that stubborn and glutton for punishment? I don't read his posts and feel that way at all, what's the defining factor of your meta? Do you agreement with what I've presented against him? I'm fine with you being a bit lazy about responding but get to it eventually. Sooner the better.

1st off: Yes, it is entirely possible and i have seen it first hand that JD will go 1000% aggro on a slot he feels scummy, even to the point of making himself a prime target for hate. It happened in Utrik'd , and it happened in BAM(although in BAM he was slightly behind and trolly / whatever else). He will not let you go unless he can be convinced to do it, and that process is usually pretty arduous, now, and this directly relates to my null town on him, he seemed to reconsider you in a time that is borderline for me between too short and "this is what i expect townJD to do", so i asked him to elaborate on it. Now, i think there's more JD needs to respond to from you and i am still waiting on that, but right now, JD is playing right into his normal town meta, and that is the defining factor, i know from reading tekken that JD's scum is close to his town play, the defining factor for me is that he hasn't completely let you go yet, i know this sounds weak but in Utrik'd he kept on me for i can't even remember how many pages, even to the point of Bardull screaming for JD to be lynched. And JD's logic there was just as easily construed as scum push(that being that JD wanted me gone because it was a zen slot who had bs'd a restriction to get out of legit playing the first couple days) he kept on that and for all intensive purposes that was why he wanted me gone, and that was really his only reason, he himself admitted he found my play significantly better than zen's , and i was doing my thing as town, but he had to carry through on my lynch because of what zen had done and seeing no pro-town intent behind it.

This is what defines him as null town for me now, because he's going after you , and it's looking way too similar to what he did to me in Utrik'd to be a coincidence.

Now, you've made a case on JD, and i have read it, and i agree with it, just like in Utrik'd it's very easy to see what JD's doing and go "how is this guy alive OMGBBQ WTF" just like bardull did in Utrik'd , and reading your case, it reads the same way bardull's did in utrik'd , your only considering it from that angle because JD is so goddamn aggressive, it took me doing (stupidly i may add) much similar to what i am doing now, which is calling the interaction between them TvT(or in this case you and him) because bardull couldn't wrap his head around why JD would push the way he did as town, and with much of your case i am getting that same feel. I actually almost cut and copied my question to you from Utrik'd because it looked and read that familiar.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Does JDietz go on people unprovoked or players who push him? I made something of a mini case on him and he basically just super aggro on me and just made me out to #1 scum in his eyes. I think your explanation and meta will hold merit but it's not conclusive to me. I'm not ready to write him off because of it and much like you, I want him to respond.

I'm gonna be out for the rest of the day, I won't be back until late. I hope JDietz responds and BSP does too. I will like into Hando by the time I get back and let Mastermind know my thoughts behind him. What's your basis of Hando over everyone else anyways? I won't be able to respond to that so don't worry about when you get to it.

 

[Death Bear]

Now, for a secondary point, i'd like to see a hando wagon get going, enough people have expressed intrest in this, and so now i'm going to add something to the fire:

@People: I want you to look at hando, and tell me what defines him as different from Dabuz

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

EBWOP: Look*

Losing my mind already.

 

[Omni]

i don't think a hando wagon is necessary. dabuz will still be the best play. there's not a lot to analyze regarding Hando. he's got like 10 posts or somethin. the only question is anyone okay with Hando not dying in the near future?

 

[Death Bear]

man Soup ninjaing the second of my multiposts.

@that question: In utrik'd he did not do so, but this is where i move to BAM moreso, in utrik'd it was obvious bardull was town, like glaringly so, so when bardull come out on JD , as i recall of that time, (being right around the time i stamped it as TvT) , bardull said something to the effect of "how are you reading this as TvT" to which JD intervened and said, don't bother answering that, it's obvious and Bardull is just being silly.

Now as i recall in BAM, when Bardull went after JD, JD took a different tack and hit back at bardull, i'll go take another look at BAM to be sure, and i agree that a legitimate point can be made that JD did go ggro on you, what i have to determine to solidify my read on both of you is the timing of his attack on you, how much of it could have been omgus / unprovoked and the rest of it.

Now, if i'm wrong about BAM that might change my opinion of JD because of how i read your mini case against him and his response to it with the knowledge that JD doesn't normally go off unprovoked and thus effect how much of his case can be attributed to scumOMGUS, but as it stands now, it's reading to me as hard headed JD town, hitting back against someone he finds scummy

 

[Death Bear]

Now, i'm willing to admit this is a lot of meta to swallow for people, especially soup who has been the focus of JD's burning desires, and trust me soup, i've been there, i've been in that tunnel and it really feels like JD is choking you to death, now in Utrik'd i made the mistake of letting BArdull see JD town thus effectively screwing me over in the end even moreso then my claim mess up did, here I am doing the opposite and not letting you miss what i believe to be JDtown.

I'm not going to say my case is conclusive , hell you could shoot a million holes in it just based off me relying on meta. The thing is, no one has presented something that says: hey, look at all this super logic, there;s no way both Soup and JD can be town because of this." and until someone does, i'm going to keep calling the interaction TvT until either i find a reason to question soup / JD moreso then i already have.

And really, only an idiot would whats happening right now SvS.

Now, BSP does have his soup case and I'm going to address BSP's case sidelong when i get a chance, i read it over once already, and i'll address whatever i need to, meanwhile i really want to see BSP's response to Soup.

I'm going to also add: BSP: is it possible you have tunnel vision on Soup ? Why can't their interaction be TvT ?

 

[Death Bear]

actually , instead of BSP, I want everyone to tell me why their interaction cannot be TvT, especially JD / Soup(who has already sort of done so)

 

[BSP]

Soup, I read your response. I’ll just summarize what I think needs answering from me.

As far as skimming goes - your abundance of skimming makes me question what your intentions were beforehand, simple as that. However, you have proven that you’ll try to get us somewhere, and I need take that into account. In the grand scheme of things, it’s not telling on its own. I’m being so picky about right now because like I’ve let small things go in the past and it’s come back to haunt me, and there’s no guarantee I’ll be King again, so I’m hesitant to just drop it.

I paid most attention to your stance on Kary because you said something incorrect.

You caught me on the one oversight you mentioned with the smilies. My mistake.

As for why I’m giving JD so much credit
1) I felt the same way he did about the things he mentioned
2) I just played with him in BAM and he did the same thing as town. I agree with DB's BAM references.

I think I'll leave you for now Soup; I'm not feeling any fire behind this pursuit anymore, and you're showing you can get something done.

I'll get to all the questions addressed to me soon and take another look at things.