Mass Effect (King Maker) - Glorious Way to End the Day. Mafia Wins!

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You should read time travels if you think this is bad.

 

[Death Bear]

You should read time travels if you think this is bad.

Hurrah not posting on hydra.

 

[BarDulL]

Dareth I inquire?

No, it takes more than questions to get into overdrift.

 

[Omni]

Iirc, isn't he your biggest scum read (to that point)? I still don't understand this flip.

I said, Train Kept A Rollin' all night long
Train Kept A Rollin' all night long
Train Kept A Rollin' all night long
Train Kept A Rollin' all night long
With a heave, and a ho
But I just couldn't tell her so, no, no, no

if u don't understand why, you're still selectively reading. dunno why you joined just to cruise and not read, bruh

 

[No Hetero]

You should read time travels if you think this is bad.

No, this day should've been over 30 ****ing pages ago. Bull**** like this is why SWF town is generally so bad and loses most of the time.

dabuz dead yet?

 

[Handorin]

if u don't understand why, you're still selectively reading. dunno why you joined just to cruise and not read, bruh

Doesn't mean I understand or that it makes sense at all.

 

[Omni]

You would understand if you read my explanations. Then it would be a matter of whether or not you agree with my playstyle. Vague answer is vague.

BSP, will you please end the Day already by taking the town majority vote. Dabuz is town's #1 most wanted. Stop stalling.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Ignore omni for the rest of the game, BSP / whoever becomes King. Day can be ended now but the order for execution is soup > NH > Omni, maybe some Kary in the mix.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

And make Dietz or Jerkus King plz

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

It's like gheb likes hearing himself talk

If you're going to come in here trying to pretend like you know what you're doing at least give credible evidence towards why I should be lynched, or anyone else you want for that matter. You are doing a terrible job this game and you can't just wave your veteran status to just make it seem like you aren't.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

No, I have backed up everything already and all points still stand. Just because you can't deal with the fact that I'm not accepting whack counter-arguments / excuses doesn't mean I pretend they're not there.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

No you haven't. Nobody wants NH. Nobody wants Omni. Nobody really wants me, not even BSP. You act like your cause is righteous but you haven't done anything. Your points are weak on Omni and you haven't even substantiated on me. I don't know why you dislike NH but clearly it's because of some unknown reason that only masters of mafia know.

Enlighten me.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Why are Omni / NH not acceptable lynches. You say I need to read up but you don't know **** about what's going on this game because you think tunneling dabuz / kary / dietz like a ****** somehow justifies the fact that your behavior towards them - especially Kary - has been abundantly scummy. Die already

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Why are Omni / NH not acceptable lynches. You say I need to read up but you don't know **** about what's going on this game because you think tunneling dabuz / kary / dietz like a ****** somehow justifies the fact that your behavior towards them - especially Kary - has been abundantly scummy. Die already

Do you read posts? I don't think you do because all this is you crying that you're not getting your way and not proving me wrong. If you actually did you would realize the logic behind those pushes and you would realize I don't even want JDietz anymore. I've elaborated on both of your picks and I'm sticking to my logic, now show me yours or just keep crying about it. I don't really care what you do at this point because even from two responses I can tell you're going to be too stubborn to change your mind and secondly you're not going to listen to me either way because your ego gets in the way of hearing what people actually have to say. Did you read Omni's response to you? No, probably not. He's still scum and anything he says is just a sad attempt to try and not get lynched.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I read Omni's response and he's the same waste of a playerslot he's been since his first post

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I give up. You win Gheb. NH/Omni and me are a team.

MvP: Gheb_01

Going to respond to Kary.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

That wouldn't actually surprise me considering how many times I've figured out scumbag and how rare it is for people to listen to me because they are slaves / tools.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

That wouldn't actually surprise me considering how many times I've figured out scumbag and how rare it is for people to listen to me because they are slaves / tools.

*figured out scumbags on Day 1

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm done posting for a while though.

But don't be surprised when the game is lost because you listened to Omni or marshy. I hope you'll lynch dabuz and that he flips town just to prove how clueless and unintelligent most of you people are.

 

[Death Bear]

people might be more likely to listen to you if your cases were convincing Gheb

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Well gheb, if he flips town you can sleep happy knowing you had one correct read this game.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

And yeah I'm "salty" now. You may bask in your own stupidity and make fun of me now!

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Responding to this finally.

i'm not, but people clearly don't understand my meta as they're calling my play weird this game and then calling me scum for that.

What is your meta? I don't think your meta has anything to do with your play and if any meta I'm leaning more towards the meta of Necromafia. I don't have a specific tell on you but I feel I can decipher whether your posts are genuine or not. To say the least, they didn't come as genuine at all and still don't come off that way. I don't understand why you care whether I'm correctly meta reading you or not, because it shouldn't matter.

see? you're calling me scum based on meta, without asking why i'd bother putting myself in the spotlight as scum, pushing dabuz of all people.

stopped pushing bardull because he stopped posting, and I didn't have anything interesting to push him on.

Wrong. I'm pushing on how your play has been this game. Meta isn't the full argument and you can't pretend that It is either. I've elaborated on the thought process and nothing fully concludes to it just being meta. You're really putting this idea of meta out there when you shouldn't care at all. Why does it matter if you pushed Dabuz? Of all people? What does that mean? I thought your votes were to RVS through and through and they didn't count anyways. Accordingly you were just pushing him for pressure? You're making things seem like they don't matter than they do, you cannot write off my suspicion (or JDietz for that matter) of you with just saying 'it's meta.' This doesn't make me side with you at all.

'i am explaining what happened and it's not my fault you're misreading me. i am much better than you at this game, deal with it'

I'm misreading your meta. That's all I got from you, you didn't substantiate why you did the things you did, you just said "Meta!" and went with it. I want a solid explanation of your play and your suspicions, you haven't even scratched the surface and as far as I'm concerned left behind in RVS.

highly unlikely, also you should actually catch up before you respond because I just pointed out that i think you and dabuz are liable to be town

Why the switch? You want JDietz now or something? I think I recall looking at that but really you still need to explain it. I've put my work forth and it's your turn to do the same. I don't understand your attitude either this game Kary, you're on edge about things. You're snarky and almost at the status of how Gheb is playing this game. You're not like this unless you got really ignorant over the course of the last time playing with you. You play this game like you know everything and when it comes down to it, you can't explain why that is. This isn't you. This isn't TownKary.

wow look the meta card again

and guess what, weak =/= scum, i'm pretty happy with my reads this game, only thing doing bad is that apparently some townies misread me again.

if you like I can drop some RL johns so you don't have to worry about the difference in my commitment levels this game and stop needlessly worrying about my slot

or you could just take my word for it that i'm town/admit that there's literally no way i'd be this relaxed as scum/appreciate nothing i've done suggests some sort of scum co-ordination/step it up

Got me again. I'm calling you out on meta and that's the only problem I have. Haha, wrong. Why are you so damn defensive here? It's not my job to townread you and it's not my job to pick up on your play and try to understand why you're doing the things you are. Based on what you've given me, I can only interpret that you're either playing horribly or you're scum who can't back his arguments or the alike. Let me know when you do.

 

[No Hetero]

J's input.

How do you and J communicate? How often?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Alright. Gonna look at Hando again. And what Mastermind has put out.

****ing god.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Kary/Dabuz/Hando(?)

Where I'm at in case someone is going to skim my walls that I've written for the past few days. I don't blame them.

 

[Rockin]

GOOD MOTHER OF GOD DO YOU GUYS POST A LOT XD

I may have to switch it from 'checking once every few days' to 'check it EVERY DAY' LOL

Speaking of naps, I had a glorious one.

In other news, I've talked to EE. I want Hando, **** Dabunz.

Still need to read seven pages.

@MOD - Can I post hydra logs?

I've specifically talked to Mastermind about this, but no hydra logs to be posted. I'll update the front of the page asap.

PLEASE do not name/role claim in this thread. It's in the rules.

If you guys have any questions and I do not immediately get to them in the forums, please either PM me or AIM me. My AIM is RockinTH

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[Death Bear]

I can only interpret that you're either playing horribly or you're scum who can't back his arguments or the alike. Let me know when you do.

 

[Death Bear]

hando dead yet ?

 

[Handorin]

Nah, bruh. I'm typing up a small wall on Omni.

 

[No Hetero]

God this game has too many pages....god....Rake you're a true bro and man for doing this all.

I find Omni to be null leaning town, but I'm not super confident in that read. I usually need multiple days before I can get a final judgement on him. He's one of the players I really don't think I could personally nail in a single day. Plus his habit of refusing to take stances at times, but there is a reason for that.

Soup has me more...conflicted than before, he is still someone I want dead, but the more recent exchange comes off more as Soup being true to himself more and more.

I want Hando dead more than anyone else at this point. He's just posts such disgustingly null content with appealing to others, I really can't understand why Dabuz gets all this hate and he's just skating in the background like he is.

Dabuz just comes off as...defensive because he worries of messing up, but not in the scum kind of way if that makes sense. He got jumped on early and imo without valid reasons, I don't accept the "scum will never touch him, he needs to die before he wrecks us" stuff. He's not going to skate away on bad play, but the intent is in no way clear to me at this point. I see it more likely as town than scum, and even worse how disgusting his wagon built up.

Mastermind will remain forever null til I know they did something that spells town, usually a scum flip pushed by them. I might see town for other reasons but right now, it's just hard to put players who are great as masking themselves as strongly town.

No Hetro, I think they are town, the way they portray themselves and push seems like they want it because they think Dabuz is scum, not because, let's lynch this guy.

Jerkus...idk, I really kind of missed stuff they posted, I may like the defensive posting, but not so much calling people on the wagon more likely to be lynched. I don't see that as being the case with many of the people whom I think have reasons, but not fabricated nor opportunistic, well most of them.

Kary, I wanted him dead, but I forgot why I wanted him dead. Something about how his early posts looked grimy with how he pushed, but I forget.

Bardull I don't remember.

Gheb is...*throws arms up* idk guessing town off his attitude.

JDietz, he's pushing like he normally does, and that's about it off my skim.

Dabuz is Dabuz.


I got lazy at the end, Probs because I remember less from them and have been relying on Rake in the QT more. Hando or someone on my idk list is what I think right now. More so Hando since he is my only strong scum read.

what the ****? garbage post

NO ONE MAKE HORRENDOUS POSTS LIKE THESE

BSP ****ING SHOOT DABUZ SO I CAN PROGRESS WITH MY READS AND DO BATTLE WITH OTHER MOTHER****ERS ALREADY

not that i find death bear scummy for this. its just an awful post that pissed me off to the point i felt the need to express how bad it was for the sake of not having to read anything similar in this game (preferably my life)

 

[Handorin]

So, to explain my confusion and discontent with your soup read/push/case/thing

soup, i'm very uncomfortable with you

vote: soup

This is what we get 380 posts in. You're uncomfortable. Ok. We all get these sort of feelings. I can't fault you.

i didnt dislike you, buddy. i said it was an itch. just wanted to understand what you were trying to... get... from my line of reasoning with Dabuz. a name slip is a name slip, but after i explained the name slip you still seemed confused. made me wonder if you really cared about my opinion on Bardull/Dabuz at all. nuthin srs. pretty much w/e like u said earlier

right now tho i dont like your line of questioning with BSP. the guy says he doesn't have a solid read 4-5 pages in of a mafia game. i think that's fine. ur kinda blowing it up like its a big deal. more than it needs to be. i see u asking questions but i dont really see scumhunting. i find myself thinking, "yeah, so?" to a lot of the questions you ask.

also you're 50% scum

i dont really care if u have solid reads right now. if u did, i wouldnt entertain them and i'd probably judge your ability of creating a solid stance. and i dont really have any specific questions to ask you right now either. im simply just uncomfortable with you. do you think im being unreasonable?

Here's your case against Soup that you always refer back to. Basically, like you said, you don't like what he's doing. Stances are iffy. etc. etc. You read him as 50% scum. Maybe a decent case back then, maybe. But it doesn't cut it now. It needs to be expounded upon.

i just told you that my scumread on Soup is not strong enough for me to merit his lynch over Dabuz. Dabuz' flip will validate and strengthen my scum read or possible remove it.

Woa, woa. So first you get a 50% scum read on Soup. That's a fairly strong read, if you ask me. That isn't a null, "I have no idea". That's a "I'm fairly certain he's scum, but I could be wrong. Wouldn't surprise me either way. 50/50 chance." But now that isn't strong enough. Apparently, Dabuz is a better choice to lynch. This has him at least at 51%, right? Cause 50% just isn't strong enough.

you misunderstand. i don't ignore scum suspicions: my strongest suspicion being Soup. and i've been grilling you from the get go from dumb/scum. there's a difference. as for your question, it depends, but i've answered this before. i'm 100% down for removing liabilities D1/D2 and/or if we are in the lead. if you flip scum, then hell yea. if you flip town, probably not necessary. your flip will lead to more than enough reads that can be strengthened.

Wait! Soup is still you're strongest read, at 50% or so. Maybe more now, maybe less, but at least it's the strongest. That has to put Dabuz under him in the Scum Rating System. So, what I understand here is that even though you think Soup is most likely scum of everybody and that we would get the most information out of an actual scum flip since now we can look for scum connections with scum, you'd rather lynch someone with less of a probability of being scum and netting the results we want. Just because he might be a liability a few days down the line, when, hey, we could have the game won. Ok.

mastermind asked me this question
my lynch pool for the day is only Dabuz and Soup.

Seems to be true.

hm? no. i'm just sticking to my initial read on you. you smell a little funny, but i think Soup is 10x a better lynch choice than you toDay.

Ok. Assuming Soup is still 50%. That means Dabuz is 5%. Everyone else is <5%. Those are some strong words there. Soup's the scummiest of all AND the best lynch choice, yet you still don't want to lynch him over someone else?

dude, don't shoot Soup over Dabuz. that's silly

So when I get to this, I'm pretty confused.
Are you still standing by the dabuz lynch? Do you still think soup is as scummy as before?

 

[No Hetero]

Did Ditz ever explain why Kary?

Yes, 1331 and 1338. What do you think of them?

(BSP, these discussions can be continued tomorrow regardless of dabuz's flip, so don't let them stop you. Kill him.)

 

[BSP]

I still have questions to get to, and I will, but I'm wondering: why Dabuz over Kary?

 

[No Hetero]

dabuz remains the scummiest player and needs to die already.

I feel like there's something meaningful in the JDietz/Kary/Soup interactions but I'd rather just kill dabuz now, have this game go through night phase over the weekend (activity dies during the weekend), and go from there. I'm hoping Nabe can help me with sorting through those interactions I mentioned and that Kary responds to JDietz. I'm not crazy about his case.

 

[BarDulL]

what the ****? garbage post

NO ONE MAKE HORRENDOUS POSTS LIKE THESE

BSP ****ING SHOOT DABUZ SO I CAN PROGRESS WITH MY READS AND DO BATTLE WITH OTHER MOTHER****ERS ALREADY

not that i find death bear scummy for this. its just an awful post that pissed me off to the point i felt the need to express how bad it was for the sake of not having to read anything similar in this game (preferably my life)

"why u post so bad. not that it matters 'cause i don't think ur scummy for it tho, but i'm going to try justifying myself for calling you out on your ****ty post anyway." This is an obvattempt at building influence while undermining Dbear, but if you don't think Dbear is scum, you're just being whack and hurting town.

mfw I STILL don't see why dabuz is super scum. I'll look over all of his posts right now and post my interpretation of the slot.

 

[No Hetero]

"why u post so bad. not that it matters 'cause i don't think ur scummy for it tho, but i'm going to try justifying myself for calling you out on your ****ty post anyway." This is an obvattempt at building influence while undermining Dbear, but if you don't think Dbear is scum, you're just being whack and hurting town.

nah its helping town by telling them not to make bad reads lists that tell us almost nothing

 

[No Hetero]

@Soup, shut the **** up. You're being an antagonist at this point with posts like 1364. Of course Gheb's going to stay in your face when you make posts like that. And don't encourage Gheb not to do work.

 

[No Hetero]

What do you think of BSP currently?

 

[Dabuz]

He might be town, but you didn't hear it from me...


Yes.

DID NO ONE READ THIS? FYI, THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO ME.

This...entire...****ing...game, NH has been pushing me as scum with no, let me repeat, NO, ****ing reason.

NOW HE IS CREATING A BACKDOOR FOR WHEN I FLIP TOWN TO SAY: "Weeell, I wasn't 100% on him scum".

W
T
F

He has yet to justify his scum read on me, now he's trying to hint a town read.

This is the scummiest thing I have read all day. How has no one seen this?!

/End Rage

It's a worthless read.

And you don't have the right to call out anybody for their scumhunting mr. "I'd rather lynch a "liability" than to actually do anything useful". You're still like the most useless player in this game so far and if a liability needs to be removed it's you.

HOW is Omni a liability? You're not much better than NH atm. Instead of finding concrete reasoning, you're just attacking Omni/ NH and telling people him and NH are scum.

You're also not exploring the other possible routes from the looks of it

Ignore omni for the rest of the game, BSP / whoever becomes King. Day can be ended now but the order for execution is soup > NH > Omni, maybe some Kary in the mix.

Sorry if you have brought this up before, but where are you getting SoupScum from and why him over NH and Omni in your head?

i don't think a hando wagon is necessary. dabuz will still be the best play. there's not a lot to analyze regarding Hando. he's got like 10 posts or somethin. the only question is anyone okay with Hando not dying in the near future?

You could, instead, pressure Hando a bit instead of leaving him be, ya know?

Soup, I read your response. I’ll just summarize what I think needs answering from me.

As far as skimming goes - your abundance of skimming makes me question what your intentions were beforehand, simple as that. However, you have proven that you’ll try to get us somewhere, and I need take that into account. In the grand scheme of things, it’s not telling on its own. I’m being so picky about right now because like I’ve let small things go in the past and it’s come back to haunt me, and there’s no guarantee I’ll be King again, so I’m hesitant to just drop it.

I paid most attention to your stance on Kary because you said something incorrect.

You caught me on the one oversight you mentioned with the smilies. My mistake.

As for why I’m giving JD so much credit
1) I felt the same way he did about the things he mentioned
2) I just played with him in BAM and he did the same thing as town. I agree with DB's BAM references.

I think I'll leave you for now Soup; I'm not feeling any fire behind this pursuit anymore, and you're showing you can get something done.

I'll get to all the questions addressed to me soon and take another look at things.

I'm quoting this since I think it will be relevant toMorrow.

Dabuz: What is your current read on Kary? Do you still support the idea that Kary is town?

Soup, this is what I summarized from your case on Kary: (From my notes)

-Doesn't like the slot coming into thread posting things like "vote dabuz" since the slot is better than that and it isn't helpful.
-Worried thAT kARY IS PUSHING SLOTS WITH NO REASON after giving a stance. (oops, caps)
-suspicious of Kary pushing a slot so hard but then not willing to follow up with a lynch.
-WRT death bear: Soup states it's scummy for Kary to note a scrutiny of Death bear's slot but not follow it up in the same way KAry followed up scrutiny on the slots of Bardull and Myself. The lack of action doesn't' justify the explanation. Believes Kary is trying to find an excuse and lie to not pressure Death Bear's slot.
-Has a callout for Kary saying the slot isn't doing anything by telling people to lynch. Kary has yet to answer an earlier question and Soup thinks that is because Kary has no good answer to explain him/ herself.

From BSP's case on the Kary (the other case I've read), it's just a lot of talk about Kary being contradictory.

I highlighted the red to show parts of your case I did not even notice of in his play and take interest in, green is for something I have a disagreement with.

I didn't even notice the way Kary ignores DB despite the fact it would be fitting for the slot to follow up on DB considering previous explanations. I was trying to hint at something similar when asking Kary his opinion on Jdietz this game (bottom of my most recent wall of text directed to Kary which Kary has yet to post since I posted), but wouldn't have noticed the types of connections you are making ATM. Neither would have I been able to push it probably. :l

The other red highlight, regarding Kary not answering your question, is definitely suspicious. Hell, it's pretty scummy if Kary can't find a good answer for it when he next posts.

The green is where I disagree because I still think Kary was pushing for pressure. I do still think it is for pressure, but reading your case, it could be non-directed pressure? Feels null to me since I can see reasons for town and scum doing that.

I do have a solid stance on Kary. Your case brings up a few good points. I want to see Kary's replies first for the sake of getting the Kary side of things.


Will try to hit other stuff in the next posts.

Before answering your question JD, I gotta follow up on this. After reading Soup's case, I felt kinda stupid on my interpretation of Kary. Like I just read her posts, but didn't head anywhere intelligent with my line of thought. My stance at this point was leaning scum but wanted to read new Kary posts to prevent being swayed easily by one side.

Kary finally got to posting and responding to **** and it didn't do anything for my read after Soup's case, nothing was memorable about the new Kary posts either, which makes the slot look worse to me. Like, I read it all trying to find value in the posts, but truly couldn't.

Now, I read your whole case and tried to summarize most of your paragraphs/ points so it's easier to re-look at in my notes.

JD's case on Kary:
-Pushes me without reason
-Asks JD to buddy Kary in order to vote me
-Kary doesn't want to explain himself and is more interested on putting out the votes on Bardull
-Kary wants to open up discussion but doesn't actually do anything to open discussion.
-Kary shuts out any form of discussion with Bardull.
-Kary isn't answering questions.
-Kary is pretendign to get reads
-Kary doesn't justify herself with explanations
-Kary is using his bpressure to get me to pressure Bardull
-JD votes Kary for this play so far
-Kary is twisting my words (Somrthing I posted on)
-Kary is being contradictory with regard to playstyle vss words
-Kary is tryign to wave off his pressure on me as nothing now
-Kary is showing her pressure didnt' actually give anything
-Mindlessly tries to push people on my wagon
-Kary blows off the entire game so far as nothing
-Kary has been wasting time this game on purpose
-”You pile on... AND FIGURE OUT*WHY*LATER!?”

After reading your case, I'm all aboard the KaryScum train. The slot just...reeks of scum after seeing all the logical connections you made. Also, you're a strong town read to me now.