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Marth for Brawl thread (Fire Emblem DS = FE1 remake)

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Wow, Marth fanboys are pathetic.

He has a chance, but I dunno. Sakurais choice.
I just have to ask, do you do anything other than insult others for their opinions? It's getting really annoying.

Anyways... I've never played an FE game (yup, it's the truth.), so I don't know what kind of FS he could have...
 

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More than likely, Marth's Final Smash will be based off of FE3, I wish I could add more, but I was unable to finish FE3 due to the boring storyline.

Perhaps he'll summon Jeigain(sp?) then he'll proceed to gallop across the stage and OHKO people ^_^

-Knight
It's a shame I won't have a DS to play the FE remake :(
 

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I seriously hope Marth's fighting style is fixed in Brawl - he's a fencer with a magic sword and shield; not a longsword-fighter with an average blade.

His Final Smash will likely have something to do with his shield; the original Fire Emblem.
 

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Marth in nes, Marth in snes, Marth in gc, now Marth in nds and probably Marth in wii

Marth is great :D xD

Dew!
 

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Marth in nes, Marth in snes, Marth in gc, now Marth in nds and probably Marth in wii

Marth is great :D xD

Dew!
Well, considering that Marth is the first ever protagonist of Fire Emblem, it makes sense that he'd be the most well known.
I'm praying that Marth will be let back in. I don't want to lose one of my mains. :/
 

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More than likely, Marth's Final Smash will be based off of FE3, I wish I could add more, but I was unable to finish FE3 due to the boring storyline.

Perhaps he'll summon Jeigain(sp?) then he'll proceed to gallop across the stage and OHKO people ^_^

-Knight
Lol Jeaigan! Old coot, but still awesome! No I think it'll be based on FE3 also... or the remake... either way it'll be awesome... cuz it's Marth
 

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The other thing about this that I think helps him out, is that I still haven't heard one complaint about this being the THIRD game based on the same story. Everyone is just fine, in fact happy that this game is being remade again. And so am I.
 

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The only complaint I have is that they haven't made a real sequel for Marth but rather remakes. I think he deserves more than that. I wonder if he's in the same timeline as Ike. A furture Ike and Merth game anyone? But If Marth isn't in brawl it'll be an insult to Brawl and a slap in the face to Fire Emblem. He will be in Brawl.
 

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**** no. I'm not supporting anything that's japan only. **** Marth. I'm onlygoing to support him if he's going to star in an American game.
 

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The only complaint I have is that they haven't made a real sequel for Marth but rather remakes. I think he deserves more than that. I wonder if he's in the same timeline as Ike. A furture Ike and Merth game anyone? But If Marth isn't in brawl it'll be an insult to Brawl and a slap in the face to Fire Emblem. He will be in Brawl.
Not the same timeline as Ike. Marth comes from the continent of Akaneia, Ike from Tellius. In Ike's world, only Tellius survived the massive flood that the Goddess unleashed eons ago across the planet, so its impossible for them to be from the same world. Besides, the Fire Emblem is different in each of their worlds - in Marth's its the shield he needs to wield Falchion, in Ike's its Lehran's Medallion.

Biggie Smalls said:
**** no. I'm not supporting anything that's japan only. **** Marth. I'm onlygoing to support him if he's going to star in an American game.
Do the words "Super Smash Brothers Melee" and "Fire Emblem DS" (*points to the first post in this thread*) mean anything to you?

Zevox
 

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Zevox, please change your avatar. It's pretty annoying. Also, The thread had not clarified whether it's a japanese game or a worldwide game. Melee wasn't his game. He sucked compared to Sheik, Gannon, Fox, Falco and etc. anyways.
 

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Zevox, please change your avatar. It's pretty annoying. Also, The thread had not clarified whether it's a japanese game or a worldwide game. Melee wasn't his game. He sucked compared to Sheik, Gannon, Fox, Falco and etc. anyways.
I'm not going to change my avatar just because you don't like how it looks. And of course its going to be a worldwide game - every other Fire Emblem since Blazing Sword has been, theres no reason why this one wouldn't. And Melee was as much his game as any other character's, and irregardless the point is it made him an international character. How good he was in it is irrelevant - but if that matters to you, the teir list that has him as #4 says "hi."

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Zevox, please change your avatar. It's pretty annoying. Also, The thread had not clarified whether it's a japanese game or a worldwide game. Melee wasn't his game. He sucked compared to Sheik, Gannon, Fox, Falco and etc. anyways.
You are just an absolute idiot... You really think that someone will change their avatar just because you don't like it? And what if I said, **** falco, he's a ****ing clone and never should have been in melee, hes one of the worst starfox characters and therefore never deserved any spot in any smash bros game ever.

Marth has been an international character ever since Melee was released. You just hate Marth because you keep losing to him
 

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Tier list means nothing. I beat a bowser with a Mewtwo. Move him up? NO!


For all you know, it's guranteed for Japan. Don't be so conclusive.



It's not Marth's game, Mario's, or anyone elses. It's Super Smash Brother's, or the guy who controlled both hands. Or Giga Bowser.
 

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You are just an absolute idiot... You really think that someone will change their avatar just because you don't like it? And what if I said, **** falco, he's a ****ing clone and never should have been in melee, hes one of the worst starfox characters and therefore never deserved any spot in any smash bros game ever.

Marth has been an international character ever since Melee was released. You just hate Marth because you keep losing to him
That's it, I'm pummeling you on WiFi Brawl with Falco decloned with his new arm, against the gay Sonic you'll main.
 

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Tier list means nothing. I beat a bowser with a Mewtwo. Move him up? NO!
You have no idea what the tier list means, do you? It doesn't mean everyone who is below one character automatically loses to them. Its just a list of the characters' overall statistical potential in the hands of a professional player. Of course any character can beat any other in the right circumstances, but that doesn't mean that character is equal to or better than the one he beat statistically.

Biggie Smalls said:
For all you know, it's guranteed for Japan. Don't be so conclusive.
Please, use a little logic rather than making pointless assumptions with nothing to back them up.

Fact: All Fire Emblem games from The Dragon of Darkness and the Sword of Light through Sword of Seals were Japan-only. This is games 1 through 6.
Fact: All Fire Emblem from Blazing Sword through Radiant Dawn were international. This is games 7 through 10.
Fact: An eleventh Fire Emblem game, Fire Emblem DS, is being made. It is a remake of a game not previously released outside of Japan, but whose main character starred in a very popular fighting game which was released internationally.
Logical Conclusion: Fire Emblem DS will be an international game.

Really, it doesn't take a genius to figure it out. Its as silly to think that DS will be Japan-only as it is to think that Ganondorf might get left out of Brawl.

Biggie Smalls said:
It's not Marth's game, Mario's, or anyone elses. It's Super Smash Brother's, or the guy who controlled both hands. Or Giga Bowser.
You're kidding. SSB is no individual character's game - its the game every character in it. The playable characters are all the stars, because their battles are the whole point of the game.

Zevox
 

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Not every one of your opinions is a fact. That can happen, but who knows? Until you give me sources proving SOMETHING ssaying that his game's in America, I can only be biased against Marth.
 

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Not every one of your opinions is a fact. That can happen, but who knows? Until you give me sources proving SOMETHING ssaying that his game's in America, I can only be biased against Marth.
Every one of the things I listed as a fact is - there is not a single opinion in there. The conclusion I drew is not necessarily a fact, since it has not yet been announced (very little about the game has been), but it is the logical outcome of those facts. You are the one relying on opinion, as you yourself admit, displaying subjective bias against Marth (and Sonic, looking at one of your other replies), and giving no facts to back yourself up, because none to do so exist.

Zevox
 

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Every one of the things I listed as a fact is - there is not a single opinion in there. The conclusion I drew is not necessarily a fact, since it has not yet been announced (very little about the game has been), but it is the logical outcome of those facts. You are the one relying on opinion, as you yourself admit, displaying subjective bias against Marth (and Sonic, looking at one of your other replies), and giving no facts to back yourself up, because none to do so exist.

Zevox
Zevox, your posts are very intelligent and I feel that they are going to waste when responding to Biggie Smalls, it's obvious that he only listens to what he wants to hear. His bias against Marth is overwhelmingly obvious.

-Knight
 

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**** no. I'm not supporting anything that's japan only. **** Marth. I'm onlygoing to support him if he's going to star in an American game.
Lucas says hi.

Don't get mad because Marth is way more popular and has a much better chance than your Ephraim will ever have being playable in a Smash Bros game.
 

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Every one of the things I listed as a fact is - there is not a single opinion in there. The conclusion I drew is not a fact, since it has not yet been announced (very little about the game has been), but it is the logical outcome of those facts. You are the one relying on opinion, as you yourself admit, displaying subjective bias against Marth (and Sonic, looking at one of your other replies), and giving no facts to back yourself up, because none to do so exist.

Zevox
The ****dest thing: You contradicted yourself with two sentences next to eachother.
 

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Lucas says hi.

Don't get mad because Marth is way more popular and has a much better chance than your Ephraim will ever have being playable in a Smash Bros game.
He was supporting Ephraim? I think his chance for becoming playable, let alone being in Brawl are slim to none. I think the Black Knight may even have a better chance than Ephraim.

-Knight
 

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The ****dest thing: You contradicted yourself with two sentences next to eachother.
I most certainly did not. As I said, the things I listed as facts are. I did not list the conclusion as a fact, but simply as a logical conclusion. Please, learn the difference.

Zevox
 

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Nuke, I blindly supported Ephraim. Ironically, that was my only thread that hasn't been locked to date. I wanted it to be that wy. Ephraim will never have a chance to Brawl as I see fit.
 

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He was supporting Ephraim? I think his chance for becoming playable, let alone being in Brawl are slim to none. I think the Black Knight may even have a better chance than Ephraim.

-Knight
Just the Black Knight? Even Sothe, and Soren got a better chance than Ephraim.

I would be surprised if the spear lord even made it to AT status.
 

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He was supporting Ephraim? I think his chance for becoming playable, let alone being in Brawl are slim to none. I think the Black Knight may even have a better chance than Ephraim.

-Knight
Comparing Black knight to Ephraim is daring. He's been in more than one FE Game, a widely recognized antagonist, and has a major fanbase. Gimme a reason for him not to be in Brawl.
 

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Comparing Black knight to Ephraim is daring. He's been in more than one FE Game, a widely recognized antagonist, and has a major fanbase. Gimme a reason for him not to be in Brawl.
For one, his fanbase is much smaller than you think. At best it can be referred to as a cult following. Larger than Ephraim's, sure, but thats because Ephraim hails from one the two least popular Fire Emblem games ever.

The major reason he'll never be playable is that he is a villain. The Fire Emblem series is a diverse, constantly changing one, with new characters almost every game. This puts new, more or less equally important protagonists into the games quite often - the Lords - and it is those characters who are most important to the series, most popular, and who therefore make the best representatives to be playable in Brawl. The villains, even the main ones, are secondary considerations at best, and as you'll see in a moment, the Black Knight isn't even a main villain.

Further, the Black Knight has little importance even to his own games, let alone to Fire Emblem as a whole. He is a secondary villain, subservient to the true villains of his games, and mostly simply gives Ike a personal sub-plot of tragedy and revenge. Outside of Ike and Mist, none of the characters care any more about him than they do about any of the other enemy generals. His antagonistic role with Ike may make him worth being a Subspace Emissary boss, but certainly nothing more.

Theres also the fact that hes from the same games as Ike. Because Fire Emblem is a diverse series, including multiple characters from the same games would be limiting its representation and failing to represent the series as a whole. One cannot simply including noting but Path of Radiance/Radiant Dawn characters, else its only those two games that are represented, not Fire Emblem. This is in contrast to most other Nintendo series, where the major characters are constants, so the whole series can be represented just by taking a few individuals using their most recent appearance and abilities (see: Mario, Zelda, etc).

Basically, the Black Knight lacks the most important things to recommend him, popularity and importance to his series, and has several things against him, being a villain in a series full of heroes and being from an already-represented part of a diverse series. You really need to lack knowledge of the series in order to take him seriously as a potential playable character in Brawl.

Zevox
 

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Black Knight has the best looking armor. He ha a major fanbase I'm quite sure. Why else would everyone be putting him in their sigs? I need to get Wolf and Megaman for brawl sigs btw. Also, you support Midna and say Black knight isn't fit for Brawl. BK is in PoR, and the sequel. He, aside from Ike, is the most memerable character. He's much more memerable than the pure antagonist of the game. Perhaps you don't like BK because "you keep losing to him".
 

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Black Knight has the best looking armor. He ha a major fanbase I'm quite sure. Why else would everyone be putting him in their sigs? I need to get Wolf and Megaman for brawl sigs btw. Also, you support Midna and say Black knight isn't fit for Brawl. BK is in PoR, and the sequel. He, aside from Ike, is the most memerable character. He's much more memerable than the pure antagonist of the game. Perhaps you don't like BK because "you keep losing to him".
Zevox answer was pretty logical, and just to add to his post, I don't even think BK will be a boss... a Dragon is more logical, IMO anyway.
 

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Black Knight has the best looking armor.
This an opinion, and irrelevant to whether he will be in.

Biggie Smalls said:
He ha a major fanbase I'm quite sure. Why else would everyone be putting him in their sigs?
You might want to actually count those one day. Theres only a small handful of people who do, and many of them are judging him just on his appearance, they don't actually know anything about the character. And in any event, one forum is hardly representative of his popularity as a whole.

Biggie Smalls said:
Also, you support Midna and say Black knight isn't fit for Brawl. BK is in PoR, and the sequel. He, aside from Ike, is the most memerable character. He's much more memerable than the pure antagonist of the game. Perhaps you don't like BK because "you keep losing to him".
Wow, this is one of the least logical set of things you've said yet. Where does Midna factor into any of that? Anyway, addressing the rest, being memorable is for starters and opinion, and beyond that it neither makes the Black Knight popular nor important, so its an irrelevancy. Being in two games gives the Knight some slight credibility, but since he was a minor character, that counts for little indeed - less than Ephraim being the star of his game does. And personally, I do like the Black Knight, I simply recognize he not only has no real chance of being playable, but does not deserve to be. Why on earth you made that last comment baffles me, considering its a baseless assumption which has nothing to do with the question at hand.

Zevox
 

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Black Knight has the best looking armor. He ha a major fanbase I'm quite sure. Why else would everyone be putting him in their sigs? I need to get Wolf and Megaman for brawl sigs btw. Also, you support Midna and say Black knight isn't fit for Brawl. BK is in PoR, and the sequel. He, aside from Ike, is the most memerable character. He's much more memerable than the pure antagonist of the game. Perhaps you don't like BK because "you keep losing to him".
I would say that a majority of Black Knight fans are only supporting him for his superficial values. Oh he looks so bad *** he should be in Brawl. They also seem that every single franchise should have a villain in Brawl.

What is the point of adding a villain into the Brawl that isn't even of central importance? When he's overshadowed by most of the lords(main characters) in the Fire Emblem series? I could maybe fathom a Black Knight addition if perhaps he has the main antagonist throughout the time line of Path of Radiance to Radiant Dawn, but he is not.

The reason why I said the the Black Knight could make an appearance before Ephy, was that the Black Knight could be a personal foe for Ike in the Subspace Mode; not a playable character. The Black Knight is not important enough to warrant a playable spot.

-Knight
 
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