Marth for Brawl thread (Fire Emblem DS = FE1 remake)

[Roy-Kun]

that, I'm sorry I can't follow you up on... with the introduction on Ike's standart B, Roy's chances dropped even lower than they were before... and they wer pretty low to being with considering his japanese popularity (his game never sold well)

First of all, Ike's B is not like Roy's B, is it a OHKO? No. And I don't understand why Sakurai added fire-based powers to Ike.

And they don't even look similar, am I the only one around here who doesn't thinks that Ike's B is like Roy's B?

And... Fire Emblem 6, not selling well? Oh come on, it's the third best-selling Fire Emblem game.

Um... yeah. Is Falco not far more important to the Star Fox series than Roy is to the Fire Emblem series?

No, he is not. Yet he is far more popular.

 

[Okysho]

First of all, Ike's B is not like Roy's B, is it a OHKO? No. And I don't understand why Sakurai added fire-based powers to Ike.

And they don't even look similar, am I the only one around here who doesn't thinks that Ike's B is like Roy's B?

And... Fire Emblem 6, not selling well? Oh come on, it's the third best-selling Fire Emblem game.



No, he is not. Yet he is far more popular.

FE6 was NOT the third best-selling FE game... that is a fact. and it doesnt really matter if Ike's standard B is a 1hit KO or not, why? because brawl and melee are much too fast paced to incorperate such slow moves anyways it's at least five seconds to fully charge Roy's "death move" only to miss and do ten damage to yourself. Great move Roy! Great move!

ALSO

Of course Ike's neural B isn't going to look exactly like Roy's BECUASE ROY'S IS EXACTLY LIKE MARTHS They need something different! But what would Ike's neurtal B have been? long range Ragnell attack? I don't think so, much too cheap! Hm... isn't that... LIKE ROY?! Roy had a long range attack with the durandal too! OMFG!!! NO WAY! THAT was never in melee also, why? Because Roy was thrown in last minute to attempt to promote FE6 Which STILL got crappy ratings!

 

[Roy-Kun]

Before Posting, be sure of what you're typing, don't be biassed with Marth.

FE6 was NOT the third best-selling FE game... that is a fact.

Wrong.

FE6 IS the third best-selling Fire Emblem game. While FE3 IS the first best-selling, and FE4 is the 2nd best-selling.

Now THAT is a fact. You deny it, you know nothing of Fire Emblem.

Roy had a long range attack with the durandal too! OMFG!!! NO WAY! THAT was never in melee also, why? Because Roy was thrown in last minute to attempt to promote FE6 Which STILL got crappy ratings!

Tell me, did you REALLY played Fire Emblem 6? Because the Sword of Seals is Roy's blade, while the Durandal is Eliwood's.

You ARE wrong, Fire Emblem 6 has mixed reviews, most of them being positive. Just most of people don't even bother trying to review the game like it was in 2002, they are RATING IT in the current date, of course it will be bad now, but back in 2002, it was great.

FE5's sells and so-called "success" were about to kill the Fire Emblem series, and Fire Emblem 6's success kept the series alive.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

No, he is not. Yet he is far more popular.

Err... Yeah he is. Falco has appeared in EVERY Star Fox game to date, being Fox's closest friend and second-in-command in the Star Fox crew, and being an actual character with a likable personality. Roy only was in one Fire Emblem game, out of many, but sadly he isn't likable at all.

Falco definitely beats Roy in every point, it's stupid to try to compare them.

 

[Doodx]

whos right now? lol i hope roy_kun is cuz i srsly want roy in

 

[Roy-Kun]

Err... Yeah he is. Falco has appeared in EVERY Star Fox game to date, being Fox's closest friend and second-in-command in the Star Fox crew, and being an actual character with a likable personality. Roy only was in one Fire Emblem game, out of many, but sadly he isn't likable at all.

Falco definitely beats Roy in every point, it's stupid to try to compare them.

Significant, it means his role in the story, and Falco's role in most of Star Fox's games is pretty much like the other members, being surpassed by Krystal, and Star Wolf.

Roy's role in Fire Emblem 6 is the Main Character, now that's important. And as I mentioned before, his game managed to keep the Fire Emblem series alive.

Roy is more significant, but Falco is by far more liked and popular. Making that Falco > Roy.

 

[Okysho]

Before Posting, be sure of what you're typing, don't be biassed with Marth.



Wrong.

FE6 IS the third best-selling Fire Emblem game. While FE3 IS the first best-selling, and FE4 is the 2nd best-selling.

Now THAT is a fact. You deny it, you know nothing of Fire Emblem.



Tell me, did you REALLY played Fire Emblem 6? Because the Sword of Seals is Roy's blade, while the Durandal is Eliwood's.

You ARE wrong, Fire Emblem 6 has mixed reviews, most of them being positive. Just most of people don't even bother trying to review the game like it was in 2002, they are RATING IT in the current date, of course it will be bad now, but back in 2002, it was great.

FE5's sells and so-called "success" were about to kill the Fire Emblem series, and Fire Emblem 6's success kept the series alive.

For christ sake, how many times do I have to go over this? The durandal and the sword of seals ARE THE SAME GOD **** SWORD! FE6 SUCKED ***, AS ROY WAS USED AS A MARKET ICON WHICH IS THE SOLE REASON HE WAS IN MELEE! IKE AND ROY ARE MUCH TO SIMILAR IN SPEED AND MOVESET ADN THERE FORE WILL NOT BE IN BRAWL!

NOT ONLY IS IKE TOO SIMILAR TO ROY, BUT ROY IS A CLONE! A CLONE! SAKURAI SAID HIMSELF THAT HE DID NOT WANT ANY CLONES IN THIS GAME!

 

[Okysho]

I'm sick of your stupid arguing, take it to a roy thread where people care!

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Significant, it means his role in the story, and Falco's role in most of Star Fox's games is pretty much like the other members, being surpassed by Krystal, and Star Wolf.

Roy is more significant, but Falco is by far more liked and popular. Making that Falco > Roy.

Hahahahaha, okay, you keep thinking that.

Roy's role in Fire Emblem 6 is the Main Character, now that's important. And as I mentioned before, his game managed to keep the Fire Emblem series alive.

The Fire Emblem series wasn't dying in the first place. Fire Emblem 6 didn't keep it alive other than it was just another installment in the series that happened to sell well, and also happened to have a ****ty and uninteresting main character.

 

[Kirby knight]

For christ sake, how many times do I have to go over this? The durandal and the sword of seals ARE THE SAME GOD **** SWORD! FE6 SUCKED ***, AS ROY WAS USED AS A MARKET ICON WHICH IS THE SOLE REASON HE WAS IN MELEE! IKE AND ROY ARE MUCH TO SIMILAR IN SPEED AND MOVESET ADN THERE FORE WILL NOT BE IN BRAWL!

NOT ONLY IS IKE TOO SIMILAR TO ROY, BUT ROY IS A CLONE! A CLONE! SAKURAI SAID HIMSELF THAT HE DID NOT WANT ANY CLONES IN THIS GAME!

I'm not defending Roy or anything, but I would advise you not to talk about something your completely ignorant about. The Sword of Seals and the Durandal are not the same sword, anyone who has played Fire Emblem 6 would know this...(Unless for some reason you missed the side quests in order to get the legendary weapons).

Really no one is going to take your opinion seriously if your going to use Caps. I have reasons why I don't think/doubt Roy will return..oh well whatever.

-Knight

 

[Roy-Kun]

...Still biassed.

For christ sake, how many times do I have to go over this? The durandal and the sword of seals ARE THE SAME GOD **** SWORD! FE6 SUCKED ***, AS ROY WAS USED AS A MARKET ICON WHICH IS THE SOLE REASON HE WAS IN MELEE! IKE AND ROY ARE MUCH TO SIMILAR IN SPEED AND MOVESET ADN THERE FORE WILL NOT BE IN BRAWL!

NOT ONLY IS IKE TOO SIMILAR TO ROY, BUT ROY IS A CLONE! A CLONE! SAKURAI SAID HIMSELF THAT HE DID NOT WANT ANY CLONES IN THIS GAME!

"Fire Emblem 6 sucked", pathetic words from a pathetic Marth lover.

And Roy and Ike, similar? Go play Fire Emblem 6 and 9, watch how they battle, and be owned.

Durandal, is a huge sword, while the Sword of Seals, is a normal-size sword.

Story: The Durandal was the weapon of the Legendary Hero Roland.

The Sword of Seals and Exaccus were the swords that Harmut wore.

Weapon stats: The Durandal gives +5 Attack, and is a Melee-combat weapon.

The Sword of Seals gives +5 to Defense and Magic Defense, and is a Ranged and Melee weapon.

Do I continue? Nah.

I'm sick of your stupid arguing, take it to a roy thread where people care!

"Stupid arguing"? I'd say you're doing the stupid part, for not knowing anything of Fire Emblem, if you don't know anything, shut the hell up and admit you're wrong.

NOT ONLY IS IKE TOO SIMILAR TO ROY, BUT ROY IS A CLONE! A CLONE! SAKURAI SAID HIMSELF THAT HE DID NOT WANT ANY CLONES IN THIS GAME!

Then, we should take out Ganondorf, Falco, Roy, Young Link, Pichu and Dr. Mario with your logic? You know, shut up.

Sakurai can declone them, and make them appear.

The Fire Emblem series wasn't dying in the first place. Fire Emblem 6 didn't keep it alive other than it was just another installment in the series that happened to sell well, and also happened to have a ****ty and uninteresting main character.

Yes they were, Thracia 776 sold considerable low compared to the previous Fire Emblem games, and with 3 years passing, Fire Emblem 6's sales made Fire Emblem returned to it's glory.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Yes they were, Thracia 776 sold considerable low compared to the previous Fire Emblem games, and with 3 years passing, Fire Emblem 6's sales made Fire Emblem returned to it's glory.

Wait, so one game selling low would put the whole series in a very low position, even though Fire Emblem has ALWAYS been one of the most popular series in Japan period?

Wow, the Zelda CD-I games must've ruined the series according to that logic!

 

[bijoukaiba]

When I saw those pictures, my jaw dropped. So I reattached it and kept looking through the pictures.

Sweet! Marth's getting a third game (even if it is just a remake of FE1)!! This definitely has boosted his chances for Brawl, too!! (happy dance)

 

[Roy-Kun]

Wait, so one game selling low would put the whole series in a very low position, even though Fire Emblem has ALWAYS been one of the most popular series in Japan period?

Wow, the Zelda CD-I games must've ruined the series according to that logic!

...Heh, but well, it's just tecnically. Thracia 776 was good, but the sales weren't the best, at least compared to the other Fire Emblem games.

 

[Kirby knight]

...Heh, but well, it's just tecnically. Thracia 776 was good, but the sales weren't the best, at least compared to the other Fire Emblem games.

Wasn't Thracia 776 release really late in the SNES's life? That most likely is the main reason why it didn't sell so well.

-Knight

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

...Heh, but well, it's just tecnically. Thracia 776 was good, but the sales weren't the best, at least compared to the other Fire Emblem games.

Of course.

But it didn't cause the series to stoop down low, nor did Fire Emblem 6, as you claim, holds some importance because it "saved the series." Fire Emblem was still popular and will ALWAYS be popular in Japan no matter what.

 

[GenG]

You should take in consideration what made Thracia 776 sell bad. It was a SNES game released in 2000-2001 (that was the year PS2 was released!), and the SNES was pretty much dead. If that wasn't enough, the game was sold in very limited quantities: Go to ebay and see how much the Thracia 776 normal edition costs. Is about 199$! And the limited edition is about 299$! Is one of the most rare games for SNES.

Think like if Twilight Princess were GC only. The game was awesome but the platform was already dead.

And half of FE6 sales were thanks to Melee.

 

[Roy-Kun]

You should take in consideration what made Thracia 776 sell bad. It was a SNES game released in 2000-2001 (that was the year PS2 was released!), and the SNES was pretty much dead. If that wasn't enough, the game was sold in very limited quantities: Go to ebay and see how much the Thracia 776 normal edition costs. Is about 199$! And the limited edition is about 299$! Is one of the most rare games for SNES.

Think like if Twilight Princess were GC only. The game was awesome but the platform was already dead.

And half of FE6 sales were thanks to Melee.

I like this kind of posting. Even so, it was a mistake from part of Intelligent Systems to rush up and show Thracia 776 for SNES. I don't know if we can forgive that. Nintendo should have done a N64 special edition, example: Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition.

I know, I understand, but still that kind of mistakes are not to be taken lightly.

Well, Fire Emblem 6's sales thanks to Melee is right, but still it has done a great job, hasn't it?

 

[NukeA6]

Wrong.

FE6 IS the third best-selling Fire Emblem game. While FE3 IS the first best-selling, and FE4 is the 2nd best-selling.

Really? I could've sworn the best-selling FEs went in this order:

1. FE3
2. FE1
3. FE4
4. FE6

FE5's sells and so-called "success" were about to kill the Fire Emblem series, and Fire Emblem 6's success kept the series alive.

Actually that's wrong. FE5 never was killing the series. It just didn't get much copies sold because it was a SNES game being released during the age of N64 and Playstation 1. It was the GBA FEs killing the series and before the FE9 saved it.

EDIT: FE5 was released during 2001? Wow, that's even later than I thought.

 

[raphtmarqui]

The GBA FE's weren't killing the series. The only GBA FE that didn't do too well was FE8.

 

[Roy-Kun]

Really? I could've sworn the best-selling FEs went in this order:

1. FE3
2. FE1
3. FE4
4. FE6

Actually that's wrong. FE5 never was killing the series. It just didn't get much copies sold because it was a SNES game being released during the age of N64 and Playstation 1. It was the GBA FEs killing the series and before the FE9 saved it.

Well, according to the page i've seen, FE6 was third. FE3 was the game which made Fire Emblem take the spotlight in Japan.

The GBA's FE were killing Fire Emblem? Yes, but FE6 was not the case it was FE7 and FE8, specially FE8.

FE9 saved the series, sort of like FE6 did.

EDIT: Wrong, FE5 came out in 1999.

 

[GenG]

EDIT: FE5 was released during 2001? Wow, that's even later than I thought.

My bad, I mixed both releases. The game was released two times after the Bandai Satellaview campaign ended: First in September 1999, through the Nintendo Power system (rewritable disks), and then in January 2000 in a formal store release with the two editions.

Until February 2007 you could still play Thracia 776 if you used the Nintendo Power machines placed in several stores, among other games.

 

[NukeA6]

Well, according to the page i've seen, FE6 was third. FE3 was the game which made Fire Emblem take the spotlight in Japan.

The GBA's FE were killing Fire Emblem? Yes, but FE6 was not the case, it was FE7 and FE8, specially FE8.

FE9 saved the series, sort of like FE6 did.

True, it wasn't FE6 since it did make success thanks to Melee but FE7 and FE8 started to decrease the sales. Seeing that, one would know why Japan despises the GBA FEs.

 

[Roy-Kun]

True, it wasn't FE6 since it did make success thanks to Melee but FE7 and FE8 started to decrease the sales. Seeing that, one would know why Japan despises the GBA FEs.

People should be more specific, Japan hates FE7 and FE8.

Specially FE8, it's like FE2.

 

[raphtmarqui]

I can see why they hate FE2 and FE8 with that stupid map and monster system.

 

[GenG]

Japan hated the GBA FEs for being too cookie cutter. It seems obvious that they tried to "tribute" the 3 first FEs but it backfired. The plots were bland, the characters shallow, and they removed many loved features like the Skills (that got introduced again in Path of Radiance).

USA and Europe loved the GBA games because they never played a FE before and they didn't have anything to compare them.

 

[Roy-Kun]

Japan hated the GBA FEs for being too cookie cutter. It seems obvious that they tried to "tribute" the 3 first FEs but it backfired. The plots were bland, the characters shallow, and they removed many loved features like the Skills (that got introduced again in Path of Radiance).

USA and Europe loved the GBA games because they never played a FE before and they didn't have anything to compare them.

Well, that's true, but the fans still seemed to like the games a bit, just a bit, specially FE6, and disliked FE8.

And... the same happened with FE8 world-wide, it's being disliked, since it was made WAY too easy.

 

[raphtmarqui]

I can see why they hate FE2 and FE8 with that stupid map and monster system.

The web evolution system was stupid too.
So were the recruit classes.

 

[Hydde]

Marth will be back... thats for sure!!!

we all know he will come back with angerª!

 

[Roy-Kun]

Marth will be back... thats for sure!!!

we all know he will come back with angerª!

He will return, that's for sure.

I wonder if he will still have that... girly line "Everyone! Look at me!", I hope not.

 

[ThoraxeRMG]

Minna, miteite kure!

 

[Roy-Kun]

Minna, miteite kure!

Yup, that line.

I hope he gets another line.

 

[GenG]

He will return, that's for sure.

I wonder if he will still have that... girly line "Everyone! Look at me!", I hope not.

In the English version he wil be voiced by a Schwarzenegger-type of actor.

 

[Roy-Kun]

In the English version he wil be voiced by a Schwarzenegger-type of actor.

He did?

Man, I hope he keeps his Japanese voice, but make him say another line.

 

[GenG]

He did?

Man, I hope he keeps his Japanese voice, but make him say another line.

We couldn't possibly know...

But English dubs have the inherent quality of ruining characters.

So far the dub in Brawl is great.

 

[Hydde]

Yeh that line was kinda lame.

I loved much more his winning lines....were something like
"i have survived another battle"
"ill do it for my people"

or something in thos elines


Now with the new DI and floatiness in Brawl.. i predict that comboing with Marth´s Fair will be almost imposiible.... he will need a new metagame

 

[ThoraxeRMG]

Marth's three possible statements he makes with a victory pose after he wins a match are:

"Konkai wa boku no kachi da ne?" which translates to "This time it's my victory, isn't it."
"Kyou mo ikinobiru koto ga dekita", which translates to "Today I have survived."
"Boku wa makeru wake-ni wa ikanainda!" which translates to "There's no way I can lose!"

Also, in the master sound test room (that can be accessed through the debug menu), Marth has an additional phrase players can listen to that he does not say in the game: "Let's Dance!"

 

[Roy-Kun]

Yeh that line was kinda lame.

I loved much more his winning lines....were something like
"i have survived another battle"
"ill do it for my people"

or something in thos elines


Now with the new DI and floatiness in Brawl.. i predict that comboing with Marth´s Fair will be almost imposiible.... he will need a new metagame

Let me remember...

Japanese: "Boku wa makeru wake-ni wa ikanainda!"
Translated: "There's no way I can lose."

Japanese: "Konkai wa boku no kachi da ne?"
Translated: "Doesn't it seem I am the victor?"

Japanese: "Kyou mo ikinobiru koto ga dekita."
Translated: "Today, I have survived."

Actually, I prefer Roy's lines.