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I'm obsessed with this video pic.twitter.com/MNRyVb4KdD
— No Context Super Mario (@SuperMarioOOC85) June 23, 2023
Square was never the easiest company to work with, I’m guessing that Square just didn’t want to do Geno.
Yeah, you could say that. Still, at least Geno was considered for Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS as DLC before they decided on Cloud, so if Geno was being considered, I don't think Square Enix dislikes Geno that much. They might not have cared about him much, but if he was being considered, there might have been some involvement by Square Enix on that, meaning they allowed it.
Honestly I really don't want the last thing to happen. Replacing culex would already be disappointing but replacing him with sephiroth of all characters would be really lame imo.
I think Square simply prioritized their other franchises. And when those franchises are Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest, you can't really blame them. Worth noting, they like to have Sephiroth in anything Cloud's also in, and FFVII remake was the talk of the town around the time Sephiroth was revealed. So they had a lot of incentive to add Seph over Geno. I think it's less of a case of them hating Geno, and more of a case of them liking other characters better. It's like when you're in a restaurant getting ready to order food. There are, say, five dishes on the menu that stand out to you, but you can only eat one. Just because you choose one dish doesn't mean you suddenly hate the others.
I don't think I said anything about Square Enix hating Geno, but okay.
Oh, sorry, didn’t mean to imply you said SE hated Geno. It’s just a common thing that gets said in speculation circles, you know? “X didn’t get added, so person/company must hate X!”
It’s alright. It happens. I did not think it was because of Square Enid hating Geno anyway.
I'm hopeful that that's changing. I had been figuring SMRPG was too much of a pain in the behind for either Nintendo or Square Enix to want to do anything with. After all, Nintendo can make any RPG with Mario they want, without including Geno and Mallow. Square-Enix can make any RPG they want as long as they don't use Mario characters. And yet, Nintendo and Square-Enix were willing and able to come back together to give us a remake. Hopefully, both companies have seen how popular Geno is, and he'll be able to show up more often.
And Mallow
It's worth pointing out that a lot of the people who worked on Mario RPG in the day don't work at Square Enix anymore, and thus the people still there today that worked on their other Mario branded games like Hoops 3 on 3 prolly don't hold much affinity towards it. As we may know by now, some of its key players went to go work on the Mario & Luigi games. And funny enough in the very first game, they actually went up to Square Enix just to lend Geno's likeness for a mini-game. I think that says something. Even Chihiro Fujioka claims that how he wants to do a Mario RPG sequel one day.
I guess Geno at the time of Smash 4 and Ultimate wasn't good timing due to FFVII (Sephiroth) and Dragon Quest being highly requested from fans.
i will only be okay with culex being replaced if square enix uses this chance to do the funniest thing imaginable pic.twitter.com/gBophNzdVj
— Xela • ♫ (@TheBoiNamedXela) June 24, 2023
Then Square Enix would have an excuse to want Sephiroth in the next Smash Bros. game over Geno. Oh wait...
In the context of the time, the idea of the Higher Authority definitely had an undertone of a being what may very well be the Mario universes God. As time went on though, we got options. I have seen people really want the Star Spirits from Paper Mario, but that feels unlikely to me because of how the Paper Mario universe has been specifically separated from the non-paper Mario universe due to Paper Jam (Though Mario Party 5 is a weird wrinkle in this). Honestly, I think Rosalina could be very fitting as the Higher Authority, both in that she basically mothers the continued creation of the universe and how fitting it would be for Geno to have his own "Blue Fairy" as a part of his origins.
Yeah, that would be interesting to see. It would be cool if it were Rosalina. I can't see them adding her in the remake, though.
Kinda feels hard for me to worry about such things when not in the thick of Smash speculation time. They are possibilities, but it feels weird to try to account for them when SMRPG being remade is still fresh.
I guess you are right. I was asking others as well, but I think I can now relax on the Geno in Smash thing.
And how would that someone else who may start a new Smash Bros. game be interested in Geno? Just wondering. I know Geno is popular and all, but I can't see the new guy liking Geno as much as Sakurai.
That could be a counterargument for a nearly 30 year old character and possibly others that didn't make the cut as costumes, Assist Trophy and/or spirits. I can say that Sakurai could be a co-director should he guide the new blood. If not, I don't have anything else to say.
What do you mean on the counterargument part?
If its a new guy, there could be good reasons for them to choose Geno. Like it or not, part of the reason so many big names were able to get in Smash is because of the clout Sakurai had in the gaming landscape. A good chunk of the current Square Enix representation is likely going to be lost in the next game if there is any truth to the old rumors of how difficult it was to even get Cloud in base game for ultimate, much less the legal nightmare of Sora. Geno, by comparison, is likely a less intensive Square rep to catch due to his nature and revived relevancy, especially when you consider how much bang for your buck the choice would get with his popularity. I also imagine the new guy would get resources from things like the Fighter Ballot that would show Geno as a big potential choice.
I meant argument (IDK why I said that). Wishes that are sent could come true or not. If they do, sometimes it is in another form due to limitations (Like spirits and Mii Costume). Sakurai was a man that was trying to acknowledge many characters as possible for Ultimate. However, he can only do so much as there was SO MANY wishes for this installment. When you've been creating things within your scope and beyond for so long, there are times where you can't see more pass your comfort zone.
Okay, if you say so.
Good point on some of the characters from Square Enix not making it into the next game. With that said, Geno should not be as hard to get, especially if Square Enix is willing to play ball, right? I mean, they don't have to add him as DLC right? I heard something about Square Enix liking to do DLC when they collaborate with other companies, do they not?
Yeah, I am aware that history could repeat itself. Some people are preparing the Anti-Geno in case another Smash Bros is announced with SMRPG remake bringing back relevancy. For the backlash, it was the fandom itself that hyped themselves so high they imploded once the news broke out.
Yeah, I know. I tried telling them to hype responsibly before and they would not listen.
That could work with that amount of negative attention. Of course, Smash Bros is business for Nintendo, so wishes could go south if they cannot get the rights. In the end, it is still too early to determine if the predictions are right or not.
Predictions? Forgive me, but which ones do you mean?
I don't see how Geno would be that hard to get, especially in comparison to FF7 characters and Sora. Some might say him being relevant does put more money to his name, but I think its outweighed by the fact that Square would now see him as something that would actual promote a current product they control rather than some niche pick from their history with Nintendo. As for if they would have him be stuck as DLC, that is ahrder question to answer, as Cloud was able to get into base game, though perhaps that is part of the reason he was rumored to be so hard to get in.
This reminds me, does anyone wonder if perhaps there is a bit of notable Mario and Luigi going on in the battle system anesthetics? I was just reminded of the series when I saw the damage pop up and I have been considering the possibility of some sort of full circle thing going on here.
Yeah, I was going to mention Cloud in base Ultimate. Thing is, while I am not so sure on this, there was apparently a time where Sakurai said "Everyone is here" almost did not happen, and some people I have seen speculated that Cloud was the one who almost did not get in the base. I am not sure on the full details, but whatever the case, you should probably get what I mean.
I'm pretty sure those are the exact same damage counters Mario and Luigi uses.
I hope there is a future for the Mario and Luigi series, and aesthetics like that are hardly indicative of replacement, but I wonder if this may be a passing of the baton in some small way. SMRPG had its baton passed to Paper Mario and M&L in differing ways, so it feels fitting for the remake to return the favor and carry a bit of their ideas. for example, I would not be shocked if First Strikes got implemented into the remake.