tru0067
Smash Journeyman
I find that caping before someone uses their recovery move is the best as it makes them go in the wrong direction
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DtJ XeroXen
The biggest fraud
Well... yeah. Or during. It's really just something you pick up over time.
tru0067
Smash Journeyman
Is dtilt good, I can't find any uses for it
DtJ XeroXen
The biggest fraud
It might be able to shield poke decently well if their shield isn't angled, which could net you a kill off of a read. That's about it though.
tru0067
Smash Journeyman
What about jab locks, how do you set one up?
Coolwhip
Smash Champion
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=328157What about jab locks, how do you set one up?
Maybe you should go here ^ all of your mario questions will be answer there.
tru0067
Smash Journeyman
^I have read this and I was wondering if there are any others or ones that work better
mars16
Smash Lord
and NAir works to at low percentage, i find it to be one of the easier ones.
tru0067
Smash Journeyman
Okay
What is Mario's best offstage move I don't know to Bair or Fair them
What is Mario's best offstage move I don't know to Bair or Fair them
DtJ XeroXen
The biggest fraud
Fair is bad unless you're really really good at spacing and timing it. All of Mario's aerials are pretty good offstage. Dair is pretty situational in that regard, though, so it's probably best to avoid that move offstage for a while.
jab lock edgeslip is so legit, get that **** so much
and then they get scared and start rolling on the platform and it's just ****
yo have you guys considered reverse fludd as a momentum cancel thing like pika or luigi's side b?
like
get hit -> uair -> fastfall -> buffer turn around fludd
and then they get scared and start rolling on the platform and it's just ****
yo have you guys considered reverse fludd as a momentum cancel thing like pika or luigi's side b?
like
get hit -> uair -> fastfall -> buffer turn around fludd
DtJ XeroXen
The biggest fraud
You can't do a rar'd or b-reversed fludd, so the only way to turn around would be to cape int the opposite direction. I've messed around with it and it's totally never worth it unfortunately, it usually puts you in a bad position and doesn't really help with the momentum cancelling at all.
tru0067
Smash Journeyman
When I'm hit offstage should I turn around with cape so I can use bair
JuxtaposeX
Smash Lord
Nah, just go towards the stage and fling fireballs instead.
tru0067
Smash Journeyman
Also with jab locks does it work in training mode, I can't seem to get it to work
Or maybe I just can't get jab lock to work in general
And what is our best throw
Or maybe I just can't get jab lock to work in general
And what is our best throw
JuxtaposeX
Smash Lord
How doesn't it work? Are you doing your second jab by accident? Or are they just invincible through your second jab and stand up?
Our best throw really depends on the player.
Some players like to keep their bthrow fresh for the 200% kill, while others prefer to use it to wrack up damage.
Our downthrow is the best throw at low % because it's our best combo throw, and out fthrow is our fastest and second most damaging throw. It's good if you want to keep up pressure because it doesn't give them too much time to react and keeps them pressured.
upthrow is garbage, never use it
Our best throw really depends on the player.
Some players like to keep their bthrow fresh for the 200% kill, while others prefer to use it to wrack up damage.
Our downthrow is the best throw at low % because it's our best combo throw, and out fthrow is our fastest and second most damaging throw. It's good if you want to keep up pressure because it doesn't give them too much time to react and keeps them pressured.
upthrow is garbage, never use it
Uthrow has a few uses... it's like 2nd best at everything really. Does the same damage as Fthrow, sets up slightly worse than Dthrow at low percentages (except vs fastfallers like the spacies or Sheik...I'd actually recommend using this around 0-10% if you're going for combos off of a grab vs them since Dthrow puts them a little too close to the ground) and Uthrow kills about 10 or so percent later than Bthrow if that is stale for some reason.
It's our worst throw, but yeah. Not really too bad, I don't think.
It's our worst throw, but yeah. Not really too bad, I don't think.
JuxtaposeX
Smash Lord
wait what?
Upthrow can actually kill?
I legit never seen this before cept in brawl- where it kills at like 40%
Upthrow can actually kill?
I legit never seen this before cept in brawl- where it kills at like 40%
DtJ XeroXen
The biggest fraud
Utilt also kills!
Yup. It's an extreme option, and Bthrow is ALWAYS better, but if it's stale for some reason, Uthrow kills a few percent higher. I've done it on multiple occasions myself.
But honestly, you should rarely ever need it. Dsmash kills around then even staled, most of our aerials do the trick by then, Utilt is amazing around that percentage...
Jimmyfosho
Smash Hero
lower percents I just use dthrow, after that I just use any throw that will get my opponent offstage. Unless I'm getting the opponent near kill %s I would try to keep the bthrow fresh.
tru0067
Smash Journeyman
What about edge guarding with dtilt
I use it then follow up with Dsmash as dtilt is less punishable than Dsmash if I whiff it...
I think
I use it then follow up with Dsmash as dtilt is less punishable than Dsmash if I whiff it...
I think
JuxtaposeX
Smash Lord
i think dtilt is actually the worst move in the entire game
you get punished if you whiff, and you get punished if you hit
just use ftilt aimed downwards instead
you get punished if you whiff, and you get punished if you hit
just use ftilt aimed downwards instead
MarioNPinkie
Smash Apprentice
i also dont really like his d-tilt since he can be punished for days when doing/attempting to do it i also prefer to aim downwards with the f-tlit since it will work out alot better
tru0067
Smash Journeyman
But it can follow up into a dsmash
JuxtaposeX
Smash Lord
It can, but it usually follows up by you getting punished in the face. Even when it hits.
I'd much rather just dsmash rather than trying to dtilt > dsmash.
The only real legit use I found for this is when the opponent is hanging on the ledge and doesn't have invincibility. It knocks them up high enough at high % for a fsmash, but no one hangs on the ledge without invincibility anymore.
I'd much rather just dsmash rather than trying to dtilt > dsmash.
The only real legit use I found for this is when the opponent is hanging on the ledge and doesn't have invincibility. It knocks them up high enough at high % for a fsmash, but no one hangs on the ledge without invincibility anymore.
MarioNPinkie
Smash Apprentice
d-tilting with mario i personally feel isnt the best bet d-smash is way more reliable in most instances
DtJ XeroXen
The biggest fraud
This is true. They'll just refresh their invincibility or get out of range for being hit, and/or get back on the stage.
Dtilt in this, and pretty much every scenario I can think of, is terrible. As much as I like to be the savior of bad moves, I still haven't found a use for it. (And I turned Up-B into a staple!)
But that Fair. So good.
tru0067
Smash Journeyman
Whats our best move to finish a jab lock
DtJ XeroXen
The biggest fraud
Fsmash if it will kill (which it often will). Dsmash otherwise because it puts them at a really good angle for edgeguarding.
JuxtaposeX
Smash Lord
fsmash should kill most of the time, since you're hitting them with it on the edge of the stage.
You can actually charge the fsmash a little while they do the forced get-up animation if you can time it right. I suck at it though, so I just fsmash them while they're on the ground. Don't forget to sweetspot it
You can actually charge the fsmash a little while they do the forced get-up animation if you can time it right. I suck at it though, so I just fsmash them while they're on the ground. Don't forget to sweetspot it
MarioNPinkie
Smash Apprentice
f-smash will be your best bet to use if possible try charging it for a second
tru0067
Smash Journeyman
How should I use FLUD?
MarioNPinkie
Smash Apprentice
in most situations you should always have it charged if your opponent happens to use like a falcon punch for example near the ledge use fludd to push him off and if you time it right theres a good chance for a gimp KO but most characters can still recover if you dont time it right
DtJ XeroXen
The biggest fraud
Wait what.
Gimping with Fludd is situational at best. It's more of a disruption move and can keep them off of you when you're recovering. Honestly, I'm not even good with FLUDD. It's like my biggest regret.
In fact, I'll ask the question myself. How do you guys think I should start using FLUDD? Using it to keep distance from the opponent/myself is pretty arbitrary because it puts me back in the same position I just was. I find that using it to mess up my opponent's spacing on an aerial doesn't generally put me in the greatest of positions either. I usually don't HAVE to use it to keep them off of me when I recover, but I should probably do that more often.
But like, what other practical use can I give FLUDD? I feel like it's lonely because it's a move I should be using and it's not completely useless like D-tilt. How the hell am I supposed to write an extended guide about how to use the move if I have no idea what to do with it myself?!?! I don't practice enough to experiment with stuff, anymore. D:
Gimping with Fludd is situational at best. It's more of a disruption move and can keep them off of you when you're recovering. Honestly, I'm not even good with FLUDD. It's like my biggest regret.
In fact, I'll ask the question myself. How do you guys think I should start using FLUDD? Using it to keep distance from the opponent/myself is pretty arbitrary because it puts me back in the same position I just was. I find that using it to mess up my opponent's spacing on an aerial doesn't generally put me in the greatest of positions either. I usually don't HAVE to use it to keep them off of me when I recover, but I should probably do that more often.
But like, what other practical use can I give FLUDD? I feel like it's lonely because it's a move I should be using and it's not completely useless like D-tilt. How the hell am I supposed to write an extended guide about how to use the move if I have no idea what to do with it myself?!?! I don't practice enough to experiment with stuff, anymore. D:
Fire!
Smash Champion
FLUDD's best use is as a re-positioning tool.
Trying angling FLUDD upward. That way, it allows you to position your opponent slightly above you, forcing them to make an unexpected aerial that you can punish on. If you're on Battlefield, then you can also force your opponent to land on one of the platforms which is generally a better position for Mario. I also find Angled FLUDD to be really helpful in the Peach match-up. If your opponent is floating toward you, you can FLUDD them and it sends them higher up, seriously limiting their landing options if they don't see it coming.
Trying angling FLUDD upward. That way, it allows you to position your opponent slightly above you, forcing them to make an unexpected aerial that you can punish on. If you're on Battlefield, then you can also force your opponent to land on one of the platforms which is generally a better position for Mario. I also find Angled FLUDD to be really helpful in the Peach match-up. If your opponent is floating toward you, you can FLUDD them and it sends them higher up, seriously limiting their landing options if they don't see it coming.
MarioNPinkie
Smash Apprentice
pretty much what fire said i personally try to use it for partially for off stage purposes but make sure to tilt FLUDD theres always a 50/50 chance for a gimp KO