Majoras Mask Mafia! DGames' Longest Game Ends - Who Won?!?!?!?

[Inferno3044]

Okay I've been confused this whole time about why I was ever scummy. Kuz, care to answer that because you just said I was the scummiest at the time.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Part 3: Enter Nabe

Around the 2950 area begins significant back and forth between Nabe and Kuz, characterized by posts like these:







While Nabe does express suspicion of me at this point, he changes his tune later on. The important thing to note is the parallel that Nabe draws between Kuz’s armchair playing and OS’s. Kuz is NOT in fact playing in the forefront as he would have you believe.
Circus expresses similar suspicions of Kuz at this stage in the game.

Its called replacing in with 56 pages of reading to do while being in college and having a more than competent social life. When I first replaced I didn't have my feet planted in the game quite yet so I was unsure of where to start in terms of scumhunting. Even if you were to somehow draw the conclusion that me playing in the forefront had to do with self preservation (which you seemed to conclude from OS' play) that isn't scummy considering we're looking for an indy with no kill, as I've already explained before.

From here we see an incredibly panicked reaction by Kuz:

Being put at L-1 with two mod votes on a day where town could have be ****ed over from a ML certainly warrants that reaction. Not to mention I had Nabe by his balls and he almost got away initially which angered me a bit.

What work has Kuz done? Does this ever amount to anything? He claimed last in a massclaim then went AWOL until Nabe began pegging him.

You're kidding me right?

Not only have I spearheaded all three scum lynches since I replaced in, I've been the most influential player alive. I've argued down the bull**** aimed at me by not 1, not 2, but all three scum and came away with their lynches. Are you really trying to downplay my accomplishments this game? Are you ********?

And now he goes back to my inactivity and claiming last in the mass claim despite him telling me to claim last. Its like you're trying to lie to everyone in this case. I can't even believe you'd have the nerve to say that my play this game has amounted to me claiming last and having spurts of inactivity despite my overall overwhelming presence.

Get that **** out of here.

I’ll also make a marked note of how Kuz defends himself by attacking people verbally, just like how he’s now done to me with this latest nonsense over my comment regarding Dabuz. He’s been trying to cast me in a negative light this whole time, while constantly chirping in with “obvtown” over and over.

Oh hey look! Another lie! In our recent exchange you were the one overreacting and attacking my credibility. Not the other way around. I civily told you to explain your contradictions to which you responded "Kuz are you daft?" "Kuz are you dense" "Kuz ****ing drop it" and etc.

I don't understand how you can lie so many times in one case. It's atrocious.

Kuz also began the switch to Werekill, RIGHT AT THE DEADLINE. He then backed off of it when it was far too late to stop it, and now he’s trying to construe it as me wanting to lynch the cop, which not only would I have NO motivation to do as an Indy, but he started in the first place. 3157 onwards.

You're ********.

It was a half a day before deadline and guess who ****ing was ready to take the bait as soon as I suggested it? You were! You switched in a moments notice the second I switched. I'll even bring up the post for you

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13610033&postcount=3159

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13610052&postcount=3161

^

You even say here yourself that we have time to switch. Jesus the contradictions.

Then, when I thought his responses were townie, I tried to switch back to Nabe to which you were very resilient about doing despite saying earlier that you wanted a Nabe lynch more than a Werekill one. You then proceeded to lie to my face about the events that transpired during that time and tried to pin that ML on me.

Kuz explains this backing off during twilight simply by saying he “liked Werekill’s responses to the wagon”.

Yes. Yes I did. And that's the truth so good look trying to construe that as scummy.

Kuz claims him pushing his scumpicks is why he’s Town. But who did he really push besides Nabe? Nobody.

LOL

Not like I spearheaded EVERY wagon since I replaced in, ML or not. Werekill? Me. Nabe? Me. Acrostic? Me. T-Block? Me.

This is hilarious.

He’s been claiming credit for the Nabe lynch when to most of us it appeared extremely clear that there was a direct conflict between Inferno’s role and Nabe’s. Acting as though pushing Nabe is TvS is senseless if you consider that it’s actually IndyvIndy.

So first you're saying I shouldn't claim credit for lynching Nabe (despite me being the one who singlehandedly lynched him) and then you're saying even if I did have credit for it, it doesn't matter since it would be SvS. Get your story straight and start trying to make logical arguments that aren't blatant lies. I know. It's hard.

Goddamn, those look familiar. Could it be Kuz is attempting to ensure his own survival by constantly belittling opposing arguments?

I do this all the time as town and, guess what, it works. Especially helps to cut through an opposing scum's argument.

Kuz also constantly spreads FUD within his arguments with Nabe, claiming constantly that if he’s lynched the game is over for Town. Is this true? Maybe at that point, but only if he’s obvtown, as he so claims.

Well thanks for saying absolutely nothing, then.

This is not the first time Kuz has expected he’d be dead. He expected that boths Night 2 and Night 4. It hasn’t happened. Couple with OS’s invincible play, I think it’s quite possible Kuz is BP.

WIFOM. WIFOM. WIFOM.

Not to mention Inferno blocked the kill N4. Man you're so dense. Want to know my opinion on why I wasn't killed on N2? Because I wasn't a threat yet and was forced to join the wagon on John that you led might I remind you which turned into a ML.

The interaction between these two posts is very important. Kuz outright admits that he’s been deflecting Nabe the whole time. Would make sense as an Indy to try to lynch the other Indy, no?

It would make sense for an indy to deflect anyone. Why are you trying to construe this into having to do with Nabe? I also explained why I played like this wrt Nabe's lynch and how this doesn't reflect on my alignment at all. Its just you trying to twist a point to fit your agenda.

And then we hit today, and Kuz comes out swinging. After the events of people “thinking the game was over”, which is entirely WIFOM, I might add, Kuz comes out swinging at me, knowing full well that Dabuz is already suspicious of me as well.

Bull**** I knew Dabuz was suspicious of you. And your dumb. Way more people as suspicious of Dabuz and he would be a much easier lynch. Going your lynch was not the common choice, for one, and a much harder lynch by any standard. I don't even see how you're trying to say I'm being opportunistic with your lynch. I think you're scum and you need to die as such.

His attacks on me today have amounted to nothing more than setup speculation and baseless accusations. He’s attempted (successfully) to goad me into responding in anger, and construing my frustration as lies.

No. You did lie and when I called you out on it you got flustered. When I called you out on getting flustered you got angry and pretty much tried to lie and say you weren't referring to Dabuz (when you were; which you admitted to) and then saying you didn't say Dabuz was scum in your post (which you did; you're still denying).

 

[th3kuzinator]

Long cases often have misconstrued points just to help the case a long but I don't think I've ever seen an entire case full of so many blatant lies and underhanded conclusions as what I just read. If someone actually took the time to read my response it would be apparent that Raziek is scum.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Okay I've been confused this whole time about why I was ever scummy. Kuz, care to answer that because you just said I was the scummiest at the time.

With how I was factoring things around the time of the mass claim you were most suspect. Mostly due to your quiet nature and, when you did speak, I felt your responses were really off base. Like the material you were using to formulate some of your accusations (especially coming into D3) was just plain inaccurate.

 

[Dabuz]

Seeing that exchange makes me think this is TvI, waiting for Raz to respond before solidifying any new opinions from this.

 

[th3kuzinator]

What about the exchange made you come to that conclusion?

 

[Dabuz]

FREAKING 502 ERROR!


You two are extremely dead set on getting each other lynched. Considering indy agenda is to force 2 MLs, I would expect indy to be focused on getting one person lynched as quickly as possible. The reason this most likely isn't TvT is because two town players wouldn't be pushing hard for a lynch on each other so early into the day.

 

[th3kuzinator]

That reasoning is highly flawed and I don't know how I feel about it.

 

[Dabuz]

Its early in the day. Why would 2 town players be so dead set on getting a wagon? Why would they be so unconcerned with avenues of major discussion than each other? I can't see a good reason to be so desperate on convincing town of a lynch this early into the day.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Because they think they've found scum. And what avenues of major discussion? This is major discussion. Possible the only major discussion to be had.

And I don't think anyone is desperate. I don't see a point in waiting to express our views.

Can you explain your town read on me, btw? Also have you read the entire case and counter argument?

 

[Dabuz]

Waiting for Raz to respond before I explain my read on you, his case is making me second guess my read and I want to hear his response.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Oh? So you think his case holds weight.

Then, since you say its TvI, who's the indy in your equation?

 

[Dabuz]

Raz is still my indy pick, but looking at his case makes me think I need to look at you more. Honestly, I haven't been looking at you with a discerning enough eye, because you have been willing to push hard and have gotten scum lynched ever since you replaced in. Now that there is probably an indy, I can't clear you as town.

 

[Inferno3044]

Raz is still my indy pick, but looking at his case makes me think I need to look at you more. Honestly, I haven't been looking at you with a discerning enough eye, because you have been willing to push hard and have gotten scum lynched ever since you replaced in. Now that there is probably an indy, I can't clear you as town.

Honestly, this has been what I've been thinking of everyone lol.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Ohohohoho. Raz was right.

Ok.

Yes, I can see jailer as indy, it is a scum role in some setups IIRC, so it can also be an indy role.


If Raziek flips town (Which I doubt), my indy guesses, in order:

Inferno for the one post I quoted
RR because I feel he has been a little off everyone's radar all game
You, Kuz because your the last possibility

So what happened to this?

Now you're turning Raz v Kuz into TvI. IE, if one of us gets lynched and pops town you have a fallback on the other. What happened to your inferno suspicions?

How did you progress from having me as your last scum pick just yesterday to now your second? And don't even dare try and tell me Raziek's case convinced you of anything because it's a load of crap as I've already explained.

If your read truly changed because of Raz's case, as you state, then show me. Find me the spot in Raziek's case that you think holds merit and present it to me (because I'm pretty sure I destroyed all of it in full). Get your hands dirty and actually do something to back up your actions.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Considering lynching Dabuz if he can't back up his reasoning with actual evidence.

 

[Inferno3044]

Raz is definitely on you atm Kuz. My gut said the indy lies in Buzz Lightyear.

 

[th3kuzinator]

What ?

 

[Inferno3044]

Dabuz = Buzz Lightyear. I think I remember Atomsk calling him that once at a tourney.

 

[Dabuz]

This is not the first time Kuz has expected he’d be dead. He expected that boths Night 2 and Night 4. It hasn’t happened. Couple with OS’s invincible play, I think it’s quite possible Kuz is BP.

This, coupled with the quote pulled for reference is where I realize I need to look at you more.

 

[th3kuzinator]

But what do you mean that Raz is on me? Do you mean his vote? If so, then I'm pretty sure we all know that.

 

[th3kuzinator]

This, coupled with the quote pulled for reference is where I realize I need to look at you more.

How does this point hold any weight whatsoever?

Explain it to me knowing that scum was jailed N4 and that I pretty much had every scum pick wrong and hammered a ML going into N2.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Oh not to mention that the mafia kill went through on both those Nights meaning I wasn't targeted.

Thus this argument just went from holding no merit to absolutely no merit.

 

[Inferno3044]

His vote and his pursuit. I guess I'll say it now that I'm cleared that my short term memory can sometimes be awful which explains why I sometimes forget some points.

Also to correct you Kuz, N4 I jailed RR. Scum was jailed N3.

 

[Inferno3044]

And N5 when I jailed T-Block.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Oh. Awesome.

On N2 mafia killed Kantrip meaning they couldn't have tried to kill me and on N4 there wasn't even mafia in the game to kill anyone so, again, this argument is completely worthless.

 

[Raziek]

I'm sorry to say I won't have time to get to this tonight, but we have plenty of time tomorrow, so I can guarantee I'll hit all of this during ignoring my ethics professor tomorrow.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Don't worry about responding to my points. Talk to me about Dabuz's posts toDay.

 

[Dabuz]

You expected the NK, stating that publicly before the night. I feel uneasy about that. Its actually a deterrent from NKing you because now you become a target for different night actions, which is AMAZING for indy. If you are a VT, that means you feel you feel like a powerful enough player that you have to make a public statement about it, but it feels like such an out of the blue thing to state as VT.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Wow, what? First of all I am definitely am a powerful enough player to draw a NK but that had nothing to do with what I said in that post.

Because I was so sure Nabe was going to flip scum (at this point I didn't know if Nabe was mafia or indy), I said scum would try and kill me because I would be obvtown once Nabe popped scum (since I had been pushing him so hard). That has nothing to do with alignment (except that I actually am town) as its the truth.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Your point about me attracting other types of night actions also makes no sense.

To me it looks like your desperately trying to pull reasoning for a 180 out of a hat known as Raziek's case.

I simply don't believe that point alone would boost me up your scum pick list past inferno which you've stated numerous times before would be your second pick

 

[Dabuz]

This post is why I am looking at inferno. The wording comes off to me as nervous, I don't see a town player as feeling reason to be nervous.

Anyway, my strongest read is Raziek, not gonna vote him yet because it doesn't take many players to lynch.

Kuz, you were bottom of the list because for the most part I didn't look at you. I put inferno on the list solely for the one quote I explained, the reason I explained to suspect you is stronger reasoning than what I had when suspecting inferno.

 

[th3kuzinator]

lol

You've yet to back up how that point has any merit since you clearly misinterpreted the meaning of my sentence in the post Raz quoted. Even if you hadn't you still havn't properly explained why that even makes me scummy.

Again you're just trying to justify this read switch and it reads all sorts of wrong.

 

[Inferno3044]

Dabuz compose a new list of who you think the indy is assuming Raziek flips town.

 

[Dabuz]

Its scummy because by making yourself too obvious of NK bait, you are pushing the NK onto another player, it doesn't come off as something VT would do.


Inferno: If its not Raz, its Kuz because Raz V Kuz looks like TvI

 

[th3kuzinator]

That read swith is such bull

 

[th3kuzinator]

First of all, the fact that I was going to die was dependent on me looking obvtown when Nabe flipped scum. Secondly, me saying I'm probably going to get NKd is no way in hell pushing the NK onto another player so I have no idea where you're getting that from. Thirdly, is that really the only thing that made you reconsider your read? That's the definition of a minor point.

 

[Dabuz]

That, aaaand the fact that you vs. Kuz looks like TvI to me/

 

[th3kuzinator]

No I perfectly understand that you're setting up an ultimatum between Raziek and myself. It's you reasoning for everything you've said that makes no sense.

You've yet to defend my posts detailing why what you've said makes no sense. Raziek and myself were going at it when you were posting last night but you didn't see the interaction as TvI. Now, all of a sudden, you're trying to say that two town players wouldn't be arguing like this this early in the Day (despite us doing it yesterday as well) and creating a situation where either Raziek or myself are scum.

It. Reeks.

 

[Dabuz]

I didn't recognize the TvI until today because of the new posts.