Majoras Mask Mafia! DGames' Longest Game Ends - Who Won?!?!?!?

[Raziek]

Ryu, I'm willing to bet that Kuz is Scum at this point. Why else would he lash out at me after having me as Town for so long?

Take note of how often he's said "I'm obvtown" over and over. Has he actually done much to suggest that? He's been on Nabe's lynch, headed the switch onto Werekill on Day 3, and now is pushing me.

If it isn't Kuz, it's Dabuz. (lol rhyming)

We've got room to be wrong once, and I think it's more than likely Kuz.

vote: th3kuzinator

To add onto things, we'd be wrong to give him credit for OS replacing out. We all know OS would come in here after and say, "Man you guys are dumb, never clear me just because I replace out."

There's more to it than this, but you really need to re-read the thread, Dabuz. At the very least read yesterday and today, they're not even long.

 

[Raziek]

Now what basis do you have to suggest that I'm the Indy, Dabuz? You've yet to actually support any of your claims beyond "gut feeling".

 

[th3kuzinator]

Are you daft, Kuz?

The Indy doesn't need to mislynch Inferno because he's hated and insta-hammered in 3-man.

Your point? ToMorrow there will still be 4 people alive and thus still need three people to lynch someone. IE, Dabuz can't hammer him tomorrow without the help of someone else. Thus him trying to fight inferno tomorrow, if he was the final scum, makes zero sense as its already clear none of us will support him in this push.

Boom.

How can I be certain which one of you is the Indy to the point of completely excluding the other?

Did you or did you not imply that Dabuz's response was scum in 3829?

 

[Raziek]

Are you dense? One of you is scum. I am not 100% certain which, but lean towards you. Thus, my speech will dictate that either of you could be scum.

And again, why would he fight Inferno? The Indy lies between the 3 of us. If one is lynch and flipped Town, he must push the other by PoE. Pushing Inferno or Red Ryu at ANY point is senseless. Him saying he thinks Inferno COULD be Indy doesn't mean much when it's clear he's not been paying much attention.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I actually think you're avoiding the actual question just so you don't have to acknowledge you contradicted yourself.

I specifically asked him who he would push if you flipped town. He said Inferno. That isn't a flippant answer.

 

[Raziek]

It's not a contradiction if I think both of you could be scum.

What exactly would stop him from saying, "Oh, I didn't read close enough, Inferno is cleared" tomorrow?

 

[th3kuzinator]

I get that. I get that you think both of us could be scum. You've repeated yourself six times now. Read what I'm asking.

Tell me what you said in 3829.

Nothing. But he would be auto-lynched.

 

[Dabuz]

Inferno jail Kuzi if T-Block is town, T-Block town = Kuzi scum btw.

Vote: T-Block

I want both dead before end game no matter what.

Wasn't at all expecting at all the game to still be going, like wtf. I wouldn't have edited if I thought the game was going to still be going.

Kuzi's end game posts tell me it's not him most likely and it's Dabuz. A cop clear doesn't mean he's not an Indy and his pushes on mafia and others are null.

We lynch Dabuz and jail Kuzi.

Vote: Dabuz

I hate this point right here, trying to remove any fault from it when indeed you were at fault after you started the Werekill push right when he made a bad point, you had opportunities to unvote and chose not to.

I'm gonna call bull**** on this.

However, I want a Dabuz lynch unless he convinces me otherwise.

We need RR to post, he says he wants Kuz gone before end game, but the start of next day he votes for me out of nowhere...and no one really picks up on it? He even makes more of a case on Kuz than me yet keeps his vote on me.

Now what basis do you have to suggest that I'm the Indy, Dabuz? You've yet to actually support any of your claims beyond "gut feeling".

Ok, lets see, haven't I been saying all game since your I suspect you for your role? Kuz's cross-analysis makes me feel even better about your lynch

 

[Dabuz]

Raziek, stop assuming I don't understand whats going on. I wasn't here for the past week, yes, but I understand well enough. Right now your trying to say in your 3846 that I will try to backdoor with the excuse of not knowing whats going on when i put Inferno that high.

 

[Raziek]

I said that Oblivious might be the best scum defense I've ever seen. That does not imply that I think WITH CERTAINTY that Dabuz is scum.

Dabuz, we've already been over about 8 times why thinking I'm Indy because of my role is flawed.

Town only has a Jailer and an Even-Commuter who can avoid poison.

My Role can as well, but this causes drawbacks when taken directly in combination with Circus' role. If I change I'm protected, but it ****s with the census.

Completely ignoring the poisoner, I can still easily be NK'd, so suggesting I'm Indy based on my role alone is weak.

 

[Raziek]

Dabuz, you had no idea who claimed what. That was like, Day 3. LONG OVER A WEEK AGO.

You'll have to forgive me for being frustrated.

 

[Raziek]

Further on the race point, if I used any of my other abilities my race was revealed and I'd have to change. Not being aware of the species poisoner, I'd have to change every night to remain safe.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I said that Oblivious might be the best scum defense I've ever seen. That does not imply that I think WITH CERTAINTY that Dabuz is scum.

Oh! So you did understand what I was asking you. Why did it take 7 tries to actually get you to say it.

And like hell it doesn't. What else could you have possibly been saying with that post. "Dabuz's oblivious defense might be the best scum defense I've ever seen. But I still think Kuz is scum over Dabuz."

No. Don't lie.

 

[Raziek]

Did I say Dabuz ANYWHERE in that post?

No. Implications aside, it doesn't matter, you're nitpicking, and it doesn't contradict anything I'm saying, which is that ONE of you two is scum, and there are reasons to believe either could be.

 

[Raziek]

How does one logically combat something that defies logic? Thus, oblivious is the best defense.

 

[Dabuz]

Raziek, I know who claimed what, I still do not like your role despite the discussion. Once again, your assuming I don't know whats going on, I understand Day 3 was over a week ago, and that is the day which you claimed IIRC.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Right. And by oblivious its clear you could have been referring to anyone else in the game especially considering you've been harping on Dabuz for being so clueless all game. Are you really going to try and deny you were referring to him?

 

[Dabuz]

EBWOP: Except for RR's claim, which Kuz just restated for me

 

[Raziek]

Kuz, ****ing drop it.

Yes, I said Dabuz being oblivious could be the best scum defense ever.

Yes, I think Dabuz could be scum.

Do I think him more likely than you? No, and I have not said otherwise.

 

[Raziek]

Dabuz, you still haven't said why. You just say "I don't like it."

Why?

 

[Inferno3044]

I agree with Dabuz on getting RR in here. We are not rushing this day and we need everyone's input. I'm definitely regretting saying that I'm hated. This game would basically be done if I didn't say it. We have 2 shots at finding the indy.

@Dabuz - Do you really think that an indy would be hated? Indy needs a way to survive and making him easier to lynch does not help him live.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Don't get testy with my, Raziek. Regardless of who gets lynched toDay, town still has another shot. If this was the case I could see you getting a little jumpy at the thought of your lynch but as it stands you're just lashing out to lash out. You're not even at L-1.

And don't start trying to attack my credibility when its clear you contradicted yourself. I'll drop it for now but your reactions don't reflect well at all.

 

[Dabuz]

Inferno, that is very true.


Raziek, I explained this clearly when you claimed, in summary, your role only has one obviously pro-town power, granting 2 extra days.

 

[Raziek]

You're arguing something meaningless simply to antagonize me. What point does it matter if I said both of you could be scum? I've made that clear all along, and you're misconstruing it as if I'm saying Dabuz IS the scum, but voting you anyway.

 

[Raziek]

And you claim to be a VT, Dabuz. How obviously pro-Town is that?

Do I have to go over AGAIN why a Town role does not have to be pro-Town? *points at lovers*

 

[Dabuz]

Then let me remind you that your role had one anti-town power, reducing daytime, and one confusing power, the species change. Now, another thing to bring up is you have THREE powers, town with THREE powers sounds like BS to me.

 

[th3kuzinator]

You're arguing something meaningless simply to antagonize me. What point does it matter if I said both of you could be scum? I've made that clear all along, and you're misconstruing it as if I'm saying Dabuz IS the scum, but voting you anyway.

There is no problem with that. Thing is you said Dabuz is scum. The fact that you're denying that is a blatant lie.

This is an attempt to make your statement look more convincing.

 

[Raziek]

That's the definition of a Jack of All Trades, Dabuz! You've even seen one of them before. Hilt was a Town JoaT in Death Note!

I did not say Dabuz IS scum, Kuz, and this is the last I speak of this. I said Oblivious might be the best scum defense ever. I said Dabuz MIGHT be scum. This is the absolute last I am speaking of this pointlessness.

 

[th3kuzinator]

And tell me Raziek. What are your reasoning for thinking I'm indy? The things you've brought up are that we shouldn't give him pro-town points for OS replacing out. I agree with this and its a null tell so why does this make me scummy?

Your other point is that I've been saying I'm obvtown yet my play doesn't line up with this. I've already shown that I've been at the forefront of everything, pushing my scumpicks and getting them lynched. Regardless of what they've actually flipped, my play certainly doesn't scream indy. It screams obvtown.

Both those reasons are weak and you've yet to respond to this.

 

[Dabuz]

JoaT isn't always town-aligned, it was actually INDY in another BBR game. Also, i didn't participate nor spectate death note mafia much.

 

[Raziek]

Or maybe you weren't in Death Note.

Point is, JoaT's have multiple abilities, often one-shot.

No, Kuz, pushing your scumpicks does not make you obvtown. Red Ryu already addressed this. Pushing Scumpicks means nothing as an Independent, because you don't care who lives or dies.

 

[th3kuzinator]

And in 3841 when you say "there's more than this", thats also a blatant lie. Before the post where you voted me you had never even listed a reason for me being scum previous. In fact, you flat out told Nabe you had a town read on me.

So where is this plethora of reasoning.

 

[Raziek]

I had a Town read on you until the game ended up not being over after T-Block's lynch, just like everyone else. Your point?

 

[th3kuzinator]

No, Kuz, pushing your scumpicks does not make you obvtown. Red Ryu already addressed this. Pushing Scumpicks means nothing as an Independent, because you don't care who lives or dies.

So if pushing your scumpicks doesn't make you obvtown and even most of those picks flipping scum doesn't, then what does?

 

[Raziek]

If you have motivation to do the same thing as Independent as you do as Town, such action does not make you Town.

Look at Inferno and RR. What makes them obvTown?

Inferno's case, it's the night actions in combination with his play.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I had a Town read on you until the game ended up not being over after T-Block's lynch, just like everyone else. Your point?

You really have a habit of selectively answering things. Stop posting with the intelligence of a three year old and address what I'm asking.

I'm saying you lied about there being more stuff related to me being scum. If I'm wrong, where is this other reasoning?

 

[Raziek]

You expect me to dig it up within 30 seconds? I don't see a wagon of reasoning from you, either.

 

[Dabuz]

Raziek, why is inferno's play obvTown and not possible indy? According to your reasoning, ANY pro-town player can be indy.

 

[Raziek]

Dabuz, how does an Indy Jailer make ANY sense.

Propose to me how that role makes sense in this setup.

 

[th3kuzinator]

If you have motivation to do the same thing as Independent as you do as Town, such action does not make you Town.

Look at Inferno and RR. What makes them obvTown?

Inferno's case, it's the night actions in combination with his play.

RR's gambit, his reaction to his lynch back when he claimed, his compliance with modkilling himself, his reaction the T-Block lynch, his quickedit.

Inferno's premature hated claim, his correct jails, the lack of endgame already, and his reaction to T-Block's lynch.