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Majoras Mask Mafia! DGames' Longest Game Ends - Who Won?!?!?!?

th3kuzinator

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100 pages~

And again, you're intentionally misinterpreting what I said. Your reasoning for why you analyzed the interaction being TvI today was also present yesterday, yet you didn't seem to have that opinion then.

Your realization is fake.
 

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And again, you're intentionally misinterpreting what I said. Your reasoning for why you analyzed the interaction being TvI today was also present yesterday, yet you didn't seem to have that opinion then.

Your realization is fake.
I was analyzing based on how I interpreted what I read. Even if you don't think I read it right, doesn't mean I should ignore giving you the analysis I got out of it.

Question, why is my realization fake? I explained why I came to my conclusion, and what gave me the conclusion were newer posts+re looking at everything.


Red Ryu: You have no problems posting your opinions, but don't "do" anything with them, do you plan to actually contribute or keep blending?
 

th3kuzinator

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100 pages was a bigger accomplishment.

And this game will reach 4000 posts with endgame talk no question.

Inferno, have you read the cases? Whose do you think is stronger? Who are you leaning indy on in Raziek vs Kuz? Where does Dabuz fit in etc.

@Raz: Why have you posted today yet ignored responding to my question from last night.
 

th3kuzinator

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Dabuz how do you feel about your death today if we would unconditionally lynch the player between Raziek and myself of your choosing?
 

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I'm regrettably deeply involved in studying for a linear algebra mid-term that threatens to consume my soul. It occurs tomorrow morning. I assure you I do not intend to ignore it, I simply have life on my plate right now.

/real-life
 

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Its bad. Im VT and it shows from my play. If you lynch me then that leaves what is most likely a 50% chance of finding indy. My lynch doesn't even have good backing on it besides a general uneasiness with me in the game, thats not logical reasoning to show im indy, thats me being a ?/ not super obvtown. Lynching you or Raz can pretty much determine the indy.



RR: What have you "done" in the past 2 days? You have been sidelining hard.
 

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I have been pushing on scum reads that I got this whole game, doing what is best for town, stepping on toes, and have had no problem explaining whats on my mind knowing what say will get negative attention. I bet you cannot find one instance in this game where I have been pushing a personal agenda, because I have none to push.


Kuz, didn't I already explain why you vs. Raz is TvI. You may have said my theory has holes in it, but I explained it already. Im putting out RR's sidelining because I want to question him, get him to play, see if he should be the one town should look at. While im pretty sure you vs. Raz is TvI, im not so sure that im ready to commit that it HAS to be the case, otherwise I would of put my vote down already.
 

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Kuz, you and me analyze everything differently and you have have a tendency to say im outright wrong if you don't agree. There is no point to countering the holes you find when you will disagree with me anyway.
 

th3kuzinator

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How about you actually respond to my accusations against your realization being fake and then we can talk semantics.
 

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IKR. See, no matter how I answer your question, you will just disagree with my way of seeing things. Whats the point of giving an answer knowing your just gonna completely disregard it?
 

th3kuzinator

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My goodness.

I'm not going to respond to new points you bring up until you answer the thing I asked you ages ago. Stop sidestepping it and just answer it. Don't bring up its a gray area, don't try and say regardless of what you say I will disagree with it, answer it.
 

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I have answered/ explained what I will.

Let me summarize for you in the easiest way possible. THERE WERE NEW POSTS, THIS IS A NEW DAY, A COMBINATION OF THOSE 2 CAN CHANGE MY THOUGHTS,EVERYTHING ELSE HAS ALREADY BEEN EXPLAINED, OK!
 

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Its early in the day. Why would 2 town players be so dead set on getting a wagon? Why would they be so unconcerned with avenues of major discussion than each other? I can't see a good reason to be so desperate on convincing town of a lynch this early into the day.
I'm talking about this.

I'll do this again because I don't wanna have to go around in circles anymore. I don't even know why I'm babying this for you.

Because they think they've found scum. Why can't two town players push who they think is scum? Why would indy have more motivation to secure a lynch in this fashion than townies?


This is probably the most important, if only, relevant avenue of discussion. What other major avenues of discussion are there?


We aren't being desperate. We're laying out the cases for who we think is scum. Clearly no one is rushing a lynch. If you disagree with this, show me why. Even if we were desperate, what benefit would an indy have of creating a blown conflict like this when he has to secure two lynches, not one. Meaning, if this really is TvI and the indy gets the ML, town will be super scrutinous of him tomorrow because of the exchange. Why would an indy want to put himself in that situation?


Now. Answer. It.
 

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Indy benefits from pushing a single wagon early into the day because the less time they have to bounce ideas around about who to suspect, the less suspicion they leave behind.

Two players think they have found scum, they each suspect each other and no one else, one of these pushes is likely some form of OMGUS, the other is a legit push. Its like when 2 people get into a fight and they each accuse each other of starting it, you can't tell who actually started it, but not both parties look equally suspicious. The key is making the opponent look more suspicious, because if one person's story is believed over the other's, the person who "won" in that situation now looks better. Bringing it back to relevancy, going into Day 2, its easy for the non-lynched player to go into the next Day saying they thought there was really good reason to see the lynched player as scum, and with their opposition lynched, the survivor holds more power and its easy to defend themself and get the ML. This is actually the perfect position for an indy pulling a gambit, if they get the ML today, they will be too powerful to get lynched tomorrow. That is where desperation comes in, one player sees the scum and is doing his best to get him lynched. The scum knows is scared because his situation is risky, but if he deflects his lynch, he pretty much wins.

You say town will be scrupulous of the other player tomorrow, I say that is true, but I say town won't pull together and lynch that person.


Does that satisfy your questions?


There are 5 people here, not including the two people stuck in that conflict, there are 3 avenues.

Myself which is going on right now
Inferno who everyone else agrees on that he is town and won't be lynched
RR who no one is paying attention to
 

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Indy benefits from pushing a single wagon early into the day because the less time they have to bounce ideas around about who to suspect, the less suspicion they leave behind.
Is that what's been happening right now? Pretty sure there has been ample time to discuss things and no one is trying to rush a lynch. Pushing a lynch early doesn't mean anything. Its only if that person is quicklynched. Waiting until just before deadline and rushing a lynch is a more likely situation than an indy would try and capitalize on.

Two players think they have found scum, they each suspect each other and no one else, one of these pushes is likely some form of OMGUS, the other is a legit push. Its like when 2 people get into a fight and they each accuse each other of starting it, you can't tell who actually started it, but not both parties look equally suspicious. The key is making the opponent look more suspicious, because if one person's story is believed over the other's, the person who "won" in that situation now looks better. Bringing it back to relevancy, going into Day 2, its easy for the non-lynched player to go into the next Day saying they thought there was really good reason to see the lynched player as scum, and with their opposition lynched, the survivor holds more power and its easy to defend themself and get the ML. This is actually the perfect position for an indy pulling a gambit, if they get the ML today, they will be too powerful to get lynched tomorrow. That is where desperation comes in, one player sees the scum and is doing his best to get him lynched. The scum knows is scared because his situation is risky, but if he deflects his lynch, he pretty much wins.
So you're saying if someone gets into a big arguments with someone else and one of those people is scum, the town player of the two getting lynched will result in the remaining player being harder to lynch. Pretty sure that's only when I do it. Not only would the indy not want to get into this situation because of the possibility of getting lynched in the first place, staying out of the picture could have secured them as being not a suspect at all (similar to RR's status). Therefore they don't have to do squat and two town players argue to the death and get lynched for them. Me Raz and you are on the table right now. If Inferno or RR are scum we're ****ed. Indy would want to put themselves in their shoes much more than they would in ours.

Does that satisfy your questions?
No.

There are 5 people here, not including the two people stuck in that conflict, there are 3 avenues.

Myself which is going on right now
Inferno who everyone else agrees on that he is town and won't be lynched
RR who no one is paying attention to
Inferno was obvtown from the very start of the Day as was Red Ryu. I already explained during the beginning of my Raz push why I thought you were town (at that time). Regardless, if a player thinks he's found scum I don't see why he should have to concentrate on anyone but his target. That's as both town or indy.
 

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You have no idea how much I didn't say I was hated. Would've made the game a lot easier.

@mod- Request vote count

I wanna see people's votes before I think of placing mine.
 

th3kuzinator

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It doesn't matter, really. One of Dabuz or Raziek will be lynched toDay and the remaining one will be lynched toMorrow. One of those lynches will win the game for town.
 

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Raziek [1] - Kuz
th3kuzinator [1] - Raziek
Red Ryu [1] - MOD
dabuz [1] - Red Ryu
Inferno3044 [0]

Not Voting [2] - dabuz, Inferno


This is the spread.
 

Dabuz

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Kuz, im too tired to respond to your response to me, but I must ask, what is your case on me being indy? Lynching me will lose the game and that is NOT happening.
 
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