Majoras Mask Mafia! DGames' Longest Game Ends - Who Won?!?!?!?

[Raziek]

Which post exactly? There's been quite a bit of exchange between the two of you.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Nabe, you're still self-voting with the knowledge that if you are town, you open up the possibility of a kingmaker situation.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Just take a stance on it in general. Is it really that obtuse?

 

[Raziek]

It's quite a large chunk of content. Enough to the point where I'm not exactly clear of what exactly you're accusing him of anymore. Is this the whole "lynching Nabe on setup after saying he's not lynching on setup" shtick from Day 2/3?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13627721&postcount=3409

This is probably the clearest post about it.

 

[Raziek]

I guess what I want to know is why you're so dead-set on obtaining Kuz's reasoning for wanting to lynch you. (From Day 2, when he apparently thought you were Town? If you could link to where he says "Nabe is Town, but lynch him.", that would be dandy.

You've already acknowledged that he could be Town playing on gut, so what exactly do you seek to gain from him? How does said knowledge benefit Town as a whole?

 

[Raziek]

Allow me to ask you a question, Nabe.

Who do you believe are the remaining scum in this game?

Unless I'm in error, I will presume Kuz is one of your answers. T-Scum already confirmed.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I don't have time right this second to find the quote of him saying I'm town. Just assume it exists for the moment.

And I'm set on obtaining his reasoning, or for him to at least respond to what I've said with a mutual understanding of what I'm actually saying to him, or something, anything, that will help me or anyone figure out his alignment. The refusal to respond to or acknowledge posts is what's indicative of OS, and similarity in playstyles between an original player and their replacement is usually a sign that there's a role involved that necessitates that playstyle -- but he's a VT claimant.

 

[Raziek]

Given that OS almost ALWAYS refuses to do what people tell him to (knowing Town won't lynch him), do you really believe that indicates his role necessitates it?

I'm just finding that a hazy connection given that I've played several games with OS, and I don't think I've played with Kuz before.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Allow me to ask you a question, Nabe.

Who do you believe are the remaining scum in this game?

Unless I'm in error, I will presume Kuz is one of your answers. T-Scum already confirmed.

Check my reads yesterDay, I really don't recall what I think. I'm not in the mindset right now.

T-block is going to claim miller when he comes back. Again, Sane Cop implies alignment shenanigans, which leaves him open to do so, and people will (again) have to judge on reads.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

That's an additional point to help me in framing it for you. My issue with Kuz has nothing to do with OS.

 

[Inferno3044]

Check my reads yesterDay, I really don't recall what I think. I'm not in the mindset right now.

T-block is going to claim miller when he comes back. Again, Sane Cop implies alignment shenanigans, which leaves him open to do so, and people will (again) have to judge on reads.

The bolded sounds all sorts of wrong. Why do you think T-Block is going to claim miller?

 

[Raziek]

Because there's a cop guilty on him, and Miller is the only role that would cause that?

Unless he wants to claim Mafia has a framer, which I suppose is technically plauisble, but highly unlikely. (Why frame a missing Townie?)

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

There is a whole bunch of stupid here.

Nabe unvote.

 

[Inferno3044]

So do we want to end the day early or let it go on?

 

[Inferno3044]

I want to assume wait but I'm not 100% sure

 

[Raziek]

Do you see a reason to go on? Night actions have been addressed, and unless you see a reason to keep Nabe alive...

Just get all the information you're looking for, first.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Unvote
So yeah.

 

[Raziek]

Why now, and not earlier, Nabe?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Because since then, everyone has posted.

You haven't taken a stance on what I said about Kuz yet.

 

[Raziek]

I thought our discussion made it pretty clear that I didn't find it a compelling argument for Kuzscum.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Our discussion made it clear that you asked a couple questions about it, and then didn't follow up.

 

[Raziek]

Given that OS almost ALWAYS refuses to do what people tell him to (knowing Town won't lynch him), do you really believe that indicates his role necessitates it?

I'm just finding that a hazy connection given that I've played several games with OS, and I don't think I've played with Kuz before.

This looks like a stance enough to me. I don't think you can concretely draw that connection beyond anything other than speculation.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

But as I then said in the post following, OS has nothing to do with anything. I've yet to see you come to an understanding of my point against Kuz.

 

[Raziek]

How does OS have nothing to do with anything when you're saying that because Kuz is playing like his replacement, it must be due to his role? OS ALWAYS plays like that, so at BEST you're saying you think Kuz is playing like his replacement because of his role, which is entirely speculation.

What makes it his role and not simply tunneling you, disregarding your accusations because he believes you're scum?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

...Like I said. OS has absolutely nothing to do with my actual point about Kuz, but I was using OS->Kuz as a framing mechanism so you might understand the actual point, which is the one actually expressed in the post I was asking for a stance on.

Regardless, Kuz can't be allowed to ignore my posts purely on the basis that he thinks I'm scum. There are two breeds of scum remaining, each of whom presumably wants to get rid of the other in lategame. If he thinks I'm one, there's still no reason to ignore one over the other.

 

[Inferno3044]

By 2 breeds of scum, what are you going off of except for assumption?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Where not ending the day until Raziek proves he can make the day twice as long.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

we're*

I fail at grammar.

 

[Raziek]

Is there anyone else who would like to second that request?

 

[Raziek]

And it's adding 48 hours, not doubling the day length, btw.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Your adding it.

This is not negotiable.

 

[Raziek]

Settle down you. I'm not wasting it now if you're the only one who believes it is warranted.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Because you and Kuz is a likely scum team when he slipped on saying mafia might have a JoaT on their side.

Tell me, can you prove your not a mafia with this by adding time? Or are your abilities more than you say they are with a Night kill and other goodies.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Also do not care you are Link, flavor is a null tell to me now after Disco mafia.

 

[Raziek]

Because you and Kuz is a likely scum team when he slipped on saying mafia might have a JoaT on their side.

Tell me, can you prove your not a mafia with this by adding time? Or are your abilities more than you say they are with a Night kill and other goodies.

Where did he say that?

Take off the tinfoil hat, this is baseless speculation.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

And you can disprove it with your ability, why are you hesitant for an ability that many found worthless?

i'll dig that quote up.

 

[Raziek]

I'm hesitant because while it's not THAT useful, I'm not about to just throw it away when we won't even make use of the time.

That's why I want at LEAST one other person to second the motion.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

N1 - Abduction and Poison
N2 - Kill and Poison
N3 - Poison (assumed) and nothing.

Since by Werekill's flip T-Block is confirmed scum we can rule out that mafia are the ones that had the abduction so we either know an indy abducted T-Block or we're up against two competitive mafia factions (also likely and I'm surprised no one mentioned it). Mafia probably has the poison and I bet our indy or some part of another mafia faction is poison proof.

The nothing accompanying the Poison N3 does make me think that something was blocked and since we already have a protective claimed I'd like to trust his result. Scum would never target Acrostic willingly because he's too easy of a ML to do so. They'd never waste their time. This does make me thing that Acrostic was ***********.

Honestly everytime I do the numbers I arrive back at Nabe/Acro/Tblock scum. Dabuz is confirmed town from many angles, RR's general play and reaction to being lynched looked legit, Raziek is link (yes. step off.), Inferno's claim makes me feel much better now that something was blocked last night, and I'm ****ing brownie.

Think about it this way. Nabe claimed a role that is a protective in terms of making him bulletproof and a pseudo investigative (he dies when he hides behind scum). There has already been a town SANE investigative flipped as well as Circus' role also counting towards town's investigatives (though it being a bit weaker). On the other side of the spectrum we've already had a much more powerful BP protective flip town (commuter) and we have another protective that has way more weight to his claim than Nabe does.

Plus, if that wasn't enough already, just think about the setup. We have a poison which is a consistent NK after N1. We also appear to have a sporadic assortment of other types of kills (maybe scum JoaT or some ****). Now think about this. We also have town aligned life linked lovers. Nabe's role + all of this would be completely unbalanced because the role he claimed is also life linked.

In one Night we could have a poison, a regular kill, both lovers dying, and nabe targeting scum and dying for a grand total of 5 kills in a 15 man game. There's no way in hell.

We've already had the lovers flip to confirm they're legit and we've also has a regular kill and a poison kill on the same Night so we know that's also possible. Everything falls into place except Nabe.

Vote: Nabe

The bolded here.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm hesitant because while it's not THAT useful, I'm not about to just throw it away when we won't even make use of the time.

That's why I want at LEAST one other person to second the motion.

This makes no sense.

If it's not that useful, then you should have no problem using it.

Why so hesitant?