Mafia Tournament Sleepover! Game Over! SK wins the game! (ITS LEGIT THIS TIME! LOL)

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

The fact that multiple people are missing makes me think that we're likely dealing with an Abductor. I've never seen a janitor with the ability to Jan more than one player.

How is that related to the likelihood of a BP SK being in a game though? Is it a question of cross faction balance? I guess I really just don't see the logic.

 

[mentosman8]

Frozen: It's related because there have only been 2 kills a night consistency wise, one being someone going missing, one being a normal kill. If there is in fact an abductor, chances are low that there is also a serial killer, none-the-less a bulletproof one. If it's a jan with multiple jannings, that option is much more viable. In a roundabout way, if I think it's likely there's an abductor, you very likely wouldn't be a BP SK, and that will severely affect my votes.

 

[Steel]

I was saying that FF wasnt lying about his role claim

How are you 100% positive that he's future vig shot who is currently looking for his knife and not a bp sk?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

My flavor clearly mentioned coming in contact of two things, but it only mentioned killing one of them. It makes perfect sense now. I didn't know why it mentioned two things but only one person came up dead in the night 2 result here in the thread.

was there more said about the other person who you didn't kill? without getting yourself modkilled

 

[Nix2100]

Alright, to prevent this game from stalling again, Who else is there for suspect outside of Marshy who seems to be partially cleared at the moment?

 

[CT Chia]

Why does Marshy seem partially cleared?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

no one tell him. instead force him to read

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I mean, he's an un CC'd tracker. I don't think there's really any reason to doubt his claim.

But yeah, if you could confirm that it was me who visited you that'd be great. I'd rather not sit in claim limbo so we can actually work together to catch the remaining scum.

@ Mentos: Ah yeah, I get what you're saying. TBQH if the maf. had a janitor with multiple uses I'd be VERY surprised. I've literally NEVER seen that in a game before. The fact that multiple people have gone missing lends HIGHLY to the fact that there's an abductor in this game.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

God****it Marsh, Ninja'd >_<

Chibo, ignore #928 until you read from the start of Day 4 up until now please.

 

[CT Chia]

I read most of it. I do need to go over once more though. What does CC mean?

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Marsh, should I tell him?

 

[CT Chia]

It's counter claim right?

But why can't he be a Mafia Tracker?

 

[mentosman8]

Theoretically possible, but extremely unlikely. Anyway, I would like Chibo to answer Marshy's question, and I'm going to Unvote because as much as I hate to admit it, his claim has become very legit, barring a BP mafiat I'm now relatively confident he isn't scum.

 

[Rockin]

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Frozen Flame (1) - Marshy,

Marshy (1) - Chibo

Those not voting : Mentos, Frozen flame, Dekuu, Meno, scumfever, Nix, Steel

Deadline is December 26, 2009

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Yes, CC means counterclaim, and I highly doubt that Marsh is a mafia tracker. I've never seen a mafia tracker before, only stalkers, which work a little differently. Stalkers are mafia members that can follow a person at night and learn what their role/role archetype is.

But yeah, I don't see any reason to believe that marsh isn't a normal town tracker. His track of me is completely accurate, and Chibo has confirmed for us that I'm not lying about my role or what I've done. TBQH, I think we can move on from this at this point. We've got two just about as confirmed as you can get town PRs (Marshy as tracker, chibo as PGO) and then me the potential town vig, which I'm hoping is finally clear based on all of the evidence we have when viewed together.

Dekuu, Meno, Nix and Steel are all just coasting while we over scrutinize one another. For those of them that are scum, why would they want to disrupt town PRs trying to indict each other anyway? We really need to put our heads together and go over these guys with a fine comb. We really need to make the right play today or else we could be in really bad shape tomorrow.

I'll be looking back over the previously mentioned players for leads. Marshy, Chibo or mentos, if you guys have any ideas lets get them posted so we can get to scumhunting.

 

[Nix2100]

Frozen...I may of missed something, but when did mentos become cleared?

 

[CT Chia]

I agree with FF, we need to look at this other bunch here, though I wouldn't give Marshy a free ride just yet. The reason I'm skeptical is because the first game I played on MS had a Mafia Tracker which you can find here - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12351
There really is no reason to 100% believe that a Tracker has to be town in this situation.

But yea, time to look at people that aren't the three of us lol. Later on though I would like to keep watch of Marshy.

 

[Steel]

Dekuu, Meno, Nix and Steel are all just coasting while we over scrutinize one another.

i'm not coasting  >_>

also you forgot scumfever but it's okay i forgot he was in this game too.

vote meno. you used bad reasoning earlier today to make marshy look suspicious and you're now lurking at a bad time.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I never suggested that mentos was clear Nix, I'd just like to take a look at someone other than the 4 of us who have been talking with one another for most of today.

@ Chibo, fair enough, I understand where you're coming from. The role is feasible no doubt.

And whoops @ forgetting scumfever. He needs to get back in here as well.

 

[Morrigan]

A couple of the names you mentioned were always here, just not that much toDay. In fact, you just started posting more since this Day and were semi absent the other Days. Not trying to accuse you of anything, just an observation.
Regarding Meno, I Fos'd him and voted him earlier toDay before the whole frozen-Marshy incident. Like I said, everyone seemed strangely okay with his lack of posting and no one ever payed attention to him.
I'm gonna go ahead and say I won't find it strange if he turns up to be the jan. Quiet people are always suspicious to me.

 

[mentosman8]

Dekuu: While I agree to some extent there are very few ways that could possibly make Frozen scum. Also, since he was inactive all around in all games at the time, that can't entirely be used as a tell. But I agree with him in the fact that we need to hear a lot more from those who weren't involved in the little conversation at the start of the day.

 

[CT Chia]

Yo Meno where's the latest pic of your Mafia post it note wall? lol

 

[#HBC | marshy]

ggs: chibo, frozen, dekuu, steel, mentos

bgs: scumbagfevah, meno, nix

 

[Nix2100]

ggs: chibo, frozen, dekuu, steel, mentos

bgs: scumbagfevah, meno, nix

Do tell...whats your thought process behind that lineup? o_O

 

[CT Chia]

and wth does ggs and bgs mean

 

[Steel]

@chibo good guys/bad guys

 

[DtJ Jungle]

i need to reread, i will be doing so tonight.

 

[deepseadiva]

As a good guy, being pointed out as a bad guy is an obvious scumtell.

/bestlogicever

Anyway, I have my wifi again and should be making a heavy post tonight.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

unvote frozen

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Marshy where are you getting your GG reads on Steel and Dekuu?

Interested to hear from scumfever and the others on Marshy's BG list.

 

[deepseadiva]

Random thought spew, and be prepared, this is going to sound utterly crazy:

Alright, so I'm thinking about thr obvious attachment of Ronike to KK. It is my belief this was orchestrated by mafia on purpose and not a "mistake".

KK/Ronike love affair.

We notice this and track the breadcrumbs earlier.

Option one, we kill off KK - which I'm seeing as the more logical choice - we find the KK/Ronike relationship as benign, and Ronike the scum is safe for a bit. But then he's killed by our PGO. Ohs teh noes.

Option two, we kill... Ronike...? Why on earth would this be a good thing? To then kill off KK?

Did they know he was the cop? Mafia got us to kill the cop... a very stupid one, but the cop none the less. Luck? POSSIBLY, at the very least it was a free town kill - KK being incapable of defending himself. After we lynch Ronike, "Oh look, we found scum! Kill his partner." In this scenario, Ronike would be a sacrifice. (Wait, why would they not kill the cop earlier - OH, because they'd know he's a VANILLA COP, his claims wouldn't be that powerful - it would be okay to keep him alive for awhile.)

How could they possibly take advantage of a sacrifice of their own? They could claim this kill as their own and create an incredibly powerful figure. A "proven" figure... like Chibo. (Okay at this point, I'm gonna sound like I'm thinking what I want to think - but the dots connect this way and I might as well connect them and put them there in the corner - I'm not trusting anyone.) So, some how, they kill Ronike, Chibo claims this as his and create both an unlynchable scum player, and secure their free cop/townie kill.

Regardless of how this comes to be, and Chibo's alignment, this leads to two other cleared unlynchable players. Marshy and FF.

(At this point Mentos is either brainwashed, or he's part scum)

GEE, how convenient that we suddenly have three unlynchable, un-killable-by-mafia, players. Town's totally gonna win now!

Dekuu, Meno, Nix and Steel are all just coasting while we over scrutinize one another. For those of them that are scum, why would they want to disrupt town PRs trying to indict each other anyway? We really need to put our heads together and go over these guys with a fine comb. We really need to make the right play today or else we could be in really bad shape tomorrow.

^^^
One of the better posts confirming my crazy theory. It just has you guys conversing over yourselfs, proving this and that. Guiding us by the hand to these obvious conclusions.

ggs: chibo, frozen, dekuu, steel, mentos

bgs: scumbagfevah, meno, nix

My version, assuming I'm right:

GGs: Meno, Dekuu, Steel, Whateverfever, Nix

BGs: Marshy, Chibo, FF, Mentos

Anyway, if my gigantic elaborate detail of all of this correct. I've figured everything out. Yay Meno.

*sigh*

K, it's five o'clock in the morning. Now explain to me how I'm blatantly wrong because I'm starting to believe myself. @_@

REREAD: K, I see a hole there - about the whole sacrifice thing, but bah, whatever. I promised a post.

TL;DR (That makes sense regardless of anything I said):

With all these ultimate claims, I smell something fishy.

 

[deepseadiva]

Yo Meno where's the latest pic of your Mafia post it note wall? lol

It's on my dorm wall back at university.

And I'm not posting it anymore anyway, since every time I do suddenly all I do is "post fluff"!

omg

 

[#HBC | marshy]

unvote vote meno

 

[Nix2100]

How exactly did you plan on lynching Ronike if he is the one that died? =P

Also, unless you know something we don't, I don't think Marshy ever claimed to be un-killable at night, that's just Chibo and FF (and even then until he finds his knife...or so he says)..

And if your saying that Chibo is scum that used the death of Ronike to his advantage, how did Ronike die then? There were 2 kills and 1 abduction (possible janitor but not likely.....) so with one of those kills being Mafia and the other Chibo....there isn't really any other way for Ronike to have died....Or something like that.

I won't lie though...to the fact that we have 2 un-killable people seems a bit....odd and i still see the possiblilty that FF isn't town...mabye not scum, but not town -_-

 

[Steel]

meno dead yet?

 

[CT Chia]

wtf at this theory. seriously.

one.
im not unkillable at night. I'm just a paranoid gun owner. so when I turn on my guns I can't be killed as whoever visits me I shoot them first. I didnt on my guns night 1, so i could have died then.

so lemme get this right, your saying that we bussed ronike on night 2 to set up all of this? as nix already pointed out pretty much thats impossible. there was 2 deaths and a missing. the missing is this w/e abductor business, so how are there two other kills? is there 2 mafia kills per night? yea lol mafia vigilante right? the only way this could happen is if the mafia bused their own ronike for me to setup, and there is a town vig that killed a townie by accident.

you want further proof that i am who i am? read the game flavor. not sure if anyone else received the same night flavor as me from night 2 but it mentioned how everyone watched the movie Chucky (made in america lol). Thats the whole point of this post then right before the night 2 result in the thread:

A High pitch scream echoes throughout the hall hours after everyone went to bed.

"CHUCKY!!!!"

a mass and loud amount of noise enues.

The mod will allow up to 4 lulz worthy post for this Night.

The scream was me as I was approached before I shot the thing (as said in my PM) since I'm PARANOID.

Even further, the Mafia ROLEBLOCKER died. Why would the roleblocker die? Cause I claimed one shot vig and they wanted to make sure I wouldnt kill any of them so instead of wasting their kill on me, they decided to just roleblock me (especially since I had some suspicion on me from the day b4 so it would be possible that i could by lynched in the future. also not to mention so many ppl said they would lynch me if i didnt shoot and a roleblocker would make it look like i didnt shoot, so mafia hoped that i would be lynched day 3. it was genious plan by the scum, but i out genious'd them lol.

need any more proof that I'm a PGO and ur whole crazy idea is ********?

thats so out there I can't even imagine scum making up such a stupid idea to post in here. I'ma label Meno as a stupid townie for now lol.

I wanna hear more from Dekuu Steel and Nix. I'm all down for a Steel lynch atm.

Unvote Vote Steel

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Chibo the other kill could've been an SK/modified SK, like i was in FF VII.

 

[mentosman8]

Jungle: Do you REALLY think that there are 3 scum, an SK, and an abductor in the game? Do you realize how incredibly unbalanced that would be to town? Meno's theory is almost 100% implausible. While a total-bulletproof and a PGO in the same game seems unlikely, it makes the single kill add up for last night, everything fits, and unless remaining scum was Marshy/FF, extremely unlikely. Not to mention, he seems to believe that there were 5 starting mafia(as he's calling out connections between people to make up his scum list, which can't be used to find indies with any other scum), saying that myself, Marshy, FF, and Chibo are mafiats based on connections he feels are drawn. It's a bad argument as a whole, almost too farfetched to be possible, doesn't explain the abductor, AND all four people he said were "bg's" were people who suspected him: Reeks of OMGUS. Prolly going to put a vote on Meno shortly, would like to hear a bit more detail from Marshy, and something from FF and see what they think as well.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Thats why i said modified SK. If, on the low chance, there is one, that would probably be the case. I also never said Meno's theories are any good, I was merely suggesting a possibility. I actually think NONE of it makes sense/is any good. As you said, the bulletproof/1 shot + PGO makes sense in the situation we're given. Meno's theory of who is scum is based purely on who talked earlier toDay, which, i'm not sure if it's dumb or scum.

 

[Nix2100]

@Chibo: Any particular reason your voting Steel? We are at a bit of a bad situation as there is scum and a possible abductor out there so any mislynch has the possibility to make us go from 9 people to 6 in 1 night (lynching takes us to 8, scum kill would be 7 and abductor 6...unless we are lucky and there's only one scum left...and we happen to get either him or the abductor....) which would be kinda bad...unless the independant and scum managed to kill themselves...that be cool.

But yea...i think we can agree that Meno's theory is kinda useless and pointless ...though I suppose he should get credit for thinking out of the box?...bit too far out of the box though...