ok. have fun waiting half a week
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Mafia Tournament Sleepover! Game Over! SK wins the game! (ITS LEGIT THIS TIME! LOL)
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CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
no one buy this stuff from marshy. guess what lynching frozen then marshy does? just takes out someone who might b town b4 we get to the scum. guys don't blow this one, it obvious imo
1. we've got the scum reads on marshy over the days
2. remember things he's done like hammer mad fast without giving them a chane to claim
3. kk got a guilty on ronike. ronike flipped scum. kk got a guilty on marshy, do the math.
1. we've got the scum reads on marshy over the days
2. remember things he's done like hammer mad fast without giving them a chane to claim
3. kk got a guilty on ronike. ronike flipped scum. kk got a guilty on marshy, do the math.
no one buy this stuff from chibo. guess what lynching marshy then frozen does? just takes out someone who might b town b4 we to the scum. guys don't blow this one, it obvious imo
1. we've got the scum reads on frozen over the days
2. remember things frozen's done like hammer mad fast without giving them a chance to claim
3. i cant turn this one around. however i can tell chibo to read
VANILLA COP != COP
1. we've got the scum reads on frozen over the days
2. remember things frozen's done like hammer mad fast without giving them a chance to claim
3. i cant turn this one around. however i can tell chibo to read
VANILLA COP != COP
Yeah, I've thought about it and I'm with Marshy right now. We're in terrible shape, I agree with his analysis of KK's role, so Vote: Frozen
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
Marshy, you've been so overly aggressive in this game it makes no sense. You've hammered without any chance for claim and just acted like a tough guy. We've got a guilty read on you where the same guilty read applied to Ronike who flipped scum. I wanted to kill you before and this guilty reading only sweetens the deal
i'm aggressive and "act like a tough guy" regardless of alignment. YOU'VE hammered and FROZEN has also hammered without getting fullclaims. our hammahs are similar in that the game was inactive and stagnating when we dropped them. so how much of a scumtell is it? it doesn't matter if karthik got a guilty on ronike. he wasn't an alignment cop. he was a vanilla cop. i've explained the difference between these roles. i've explained how the guilty read means nothing considering he misunderstood his role like you are now
Yeah, Chibo, you're calling Marshy out for something that you and Frozen did as well, which should make it not a very big tell(unless, of course, you're arguing that you Marshy and Frozen are all scum 
)from your perspective. Not to mention, it did specifically say vanilla cop. Not town cop. Not sane cop. Vanilla cop. Of course Ronike had a guilty on him, he wasn't a vanilla mafiat. I stand by my decision to vote with Marshy here.
)from your perspective. Not to mention, it did specifically say vanilla cop. Not town cop. Not sane cop. Vanilla cop. Of course Ronike had a guilty on him, he wasn't a vanilla mafiat. I stand by my decision to vote with Marshy here.
chibo what're you finding scummy about my hammah earlier? from memory nothing was happening during the game. deadline was a few days away. what good was it to draw out the day when the lynch was inevitable?
omis took a bad position with your claim. you deserved to be lynched for reasons your wagon happened and being able to confirm yourself is a huge boon for town as it gives us a confirmed innocent. so i tried to take advantage of it and yelled for you to follow up on it. omis trying to prevent that looked like he was trying to take that advantage away from town so i dropped that hammah. you just expected everyone to take your claim at face value even though it was verifiable giving us no doubt about your townieness if you shot. you failed to look at the situation from an objective standpoint
you said yourself that nothing was going on d2 (754)
pretty sure i'm getting nked tonight so you need to step it up big time because you're setting yourself up to be easily manipulated
omis took a bad position with your claim. you deserved to be lynched for reasons your wagon happened and being able to confirm yourself is a huge boon for town as it gives us a confirmed innocent. so i tried to take advantage of it and yelled for you to follow up on it. omis trying to prevent that looked like he was trying to take that advantage away from town so i dropped that hammah. you just expected everyone to take your claim at face value even though it was verifiable giving us no doubt about your townieness if you shot. you failed to look at the situation from an objective standpoint
you said yourself that nothing was going on d2 (754)
pretty sure i'm getting nked tonight so you need to step it up big time because you're setting yourself up to be easily manipulated
steel there's little for frozen TO say. just vote him
done lurking scumbagfevah?
done lurking scumbagfevah?
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
flat out hammering isnt a scumtell. go back and read them.
marshy's hammer:
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My hammer
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Frozens hammer
Additionally, after he hammered Marshy had this to say
Now tell me, from reading all of this, want to still say that Marshy's hammer was no different than the other two? Want to tell me who seems the scummiest after all this? The answer is obvious.
marshy's hammer:
Omis was at L-1 for a whopping 4 minutes. As soon as he was at L-1 Marshy came in outta no where for the quick lynch.
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My hammer
I didn't like how Cacti was posting, Cacti was at L-1 three times refusing to claim all of the times, and the times he was at L-1 lasted sometimes for over a day iirc, plenty of time for Cacti to come in and defend himself.
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Frozens hammer
Accidentally hammered. You can tell it was accidental and not just saying that later as in his vote post he said that he was interested in hearing his defense. At least also frozen gave a reason and scumtell for why he voted him unlike Marshy with his hammer.
Additionally, after he hammered Marshy had this to say
Now tell me, from reading all of this, want to still say that Marshy's hammer was no different than the other two? Want to tell me who seems the scummiest after all this? The answer is obvious.
i sure do
i told dekuu to put him at -1 so i could hammer. again the day was going nowhere so it was hardly a "quick lynch"
his play didn't line up with how a cop would claim. if you're a cop you push for your guilty's lynch with every post which he didn't
Just a reminder it's karthik and his play doesn't always line up as it's supposed to.
For now, i'm sticking with my vote, if Marshy turns up town, then i'll go from there.
For now, i'm sticking with my vote, if Marshy turns up town, then i'll go from there.
Chibo, you seriously think it's "obviously" an accident that FF hammered? He's one of the better players here, he's A)not likely to not realize how many votes are on someone, and B)would know if he was going to hammer and play it off as accidental adding "I want to hear his defense" would help back up his claim of it being an accident.
Not to mention, as Marshy said, you're not putting everything about his hammer in what you're saying. He asked for someone to put Omis at -1, so it wasn't like "oh, someone voted, *hammer*" it was him wanting to hammer him and move the game on. Honestly of the three, FF's seems the most suspicious.
Not to mention, as Marshy said, you're not putting everything about his hammer in what you're saying. He asked for someone to put Omis at -1, so it wasn't like "oh, someone voted, *hammer*" it was him wanting to hammer him and move the game on. Honestly of the three, FF's seems the most suspicious.
Also, Jungle, if Marshy flips town we're in terrible shape to have even a chance at winning. In fact either way if we lynch a townie we are. Unless of course the reason the extra kills stopped is the abductor can only have 2 victims, if we have 2 kills again tomorrow we would go in(likely) 4 town vs. 3-4 antitown(depending on 3 or 4 starting mafia) In the situation of 3, it's past lylo if we don't lynch the abductor. If it's 4, it's pretty much game if the abductor can joint.
wow. scumbagfevah lurks then comes in with "let's lynch the investigative role instead" despite everything i've said. dumb or scum?
deepseadiva
Bodybuilding Magical Girl
I'll be Vacationing/in Los Angeles for a bit, so I won't be able to make a good post till then. I have some questions though.
Why hasn't Marshy been killed be mafia yet? I remember from awhile ago in my first newbie mafia that someone said something along the lines of "Marshy is always the first killed by mafia cuz he's too good."
All our power roles are being killed off, are there any roles mafia could have that can tell who they are?
When would we be at lynch or lose? (Specifically, if we listen to Marshy, and FF comes up innocent, how bad of a situation would we be in?)
*Mentos just answered this, but I still wanna have the question posed there.
Or he didn't and... we shouldn't believe him?
Sorry if any of these are obvious.
At this point though, in all my confusion, a PR called out Marshy as scum. He dies, and then we decide not to listen to him?
Why hasn't Marshy been killed be mafia yet? I remember from awhile ago in my first newbie mafia that someone said something along the lines of "Marshy is always the first killed by mafia cuz he's too good."
All our power roles are being killed off, are there any roles mafia could have that can tell who they are?
When would we be at lynch or lose? (Specifically, if we listen to Marshy, and FF comes up innocent, how bad of a situation would we be in?)
*Mentos just answered this, but I still wanna have the question posed there.
Can this be explained to me? Supposedly, KK investigated Marshy, and he did find the word "Vanilla" and misunderstood this as scum?
Or he didn't and... we shouldn't believe him?
Sorry if any of these are obvious.
At this point though, in all my confusion, a PR called out Marshy as scum. He dies, and then we decide not to listen to him?
karthik investigated me and ronike. ronike and i are not vanilla. karthik's role is designed to find vanilla. when he gets "guilty" that means the person he investigated is not vanilla. he got "guilty", saw ronike flip scum, then wrongly assumed himself to be an alignment cop which would be the role that'd tell him whether or not i was scum. he misunderstood his role and what he said doesn't prove that i'm scum
the "why hasn't marshy been killed by mafia" reasoning is bad. frozen is good. mcfox is good. kevin is good. they don't HAVE to be killed early on in the game and scum probablyl judged off of what's been done in this game. when i make wrong decisions and chibo (cleared innocent) is suspicious of me killing me is a bad play
more frozen votes
the "why hasn't marshy been killed by mafia" reasoning is bad. frozen is good. mcfox is good. kevin is good. they don't HAVE to be killed early on in the game and scum probablyl judged off of what's been done in this game. when i make wrong decisions and chibo (cleared innocent) is suspicious of me killing me is a bad play
more frozen votes
hmm ok convinced for now
unvote
still dont think frozens the play.
unvote
still dont think frozens the play.
Broshy, you're barking up the wrong tree. I DID NOT kill Kevin. I did visit him though, and I can explain.
I'm Millia Rage from the Guilty Gear series. I'm currently vanilla town, but I have a POTENTIAL power. I'm currently searching for my "Silent Force" ability. For those of you who are unfamiliar with Millia's abilities (or Guilty Gear as a whole), Millia has "animated" hair that she fights with. One of her abilities (Aerial QCB + Slash to be exact) is called "Silent Force" which entails her throwing a dagger-like object at her enemy. After this ability is used, the dagger sticks in the ground (much akin to Vega dropping his claws in SF2) and the player needs to crouch near the dagger to pick it back up and re-enable the ability. You can look this ability up in any Guilty Gear X2 FAQ.
Long story short, my character flavor said that sometime during the initial festivities I "lost" my silent force dagger, but it suggests that it was stolen by someone. I have the ability to investigate somone every night and determine if they have my silent force. If they do, I take it back and get a one shot vig ability. If I use that vig ability, I abandon the corpse with the dagger in it as a flavour calling card. Needless to say, I haven't used that ability yet, nor have I even enabled it. Last but not least (and bless Rockin's heart for finally giving me this role) until I find my silent force, I've devoted my hair to my complete and utter defense, thus, I'm completely bulletproof until I become a one-shot vig.
Now I'm sure you're wondering who my targets were. I decided it would be best to target people that I guessed were the most likely to die early in the game, since if someone dies with my dagger then I loose it for the whole game. Obviously I want to make sure people who I don't think will last are people I check to prevent that from happening.
Night one I checked out KK. Obvious choice, it's KK and he had enough attention day one to make me feel uneasy about his immediate survival.
Night two I checked Chibo for obvious reasons. I figured either he's a legit vig and he's going to die, or he's mafia, so I'd better investigate him in case of the former scenario. Thank god I was bulletproof.
Last night I obviously checked out KevMo. He coasted through Day 3 and barely said a word other than voting. From a scum perspective, he was an ideal NK target. Take out an experienced, strong endgame player AND minimize the amount of info to draw from the kill because of his lack of input. Obviously who ever is scum had a similar idea.
Another important detail: I was targeted to be killed last night. Specifically, by someone launching fireballs, hence the room exploding flavour from last night. Once again, bulletproof FTW.
I ****ed up on that hammer. There's really nothing I can say that isn't me just asking for you guys to take me for my word. If people are going to accuse me of acting, there's nothing for me to say other then I did legitimately forget about that vote swap and we hadn't had a vote count update for awhile. If you guys don't believe I actually had anything constructive to say about the Karthik/Ronike relationship I'll glady explain the vote in more detail. I wasn't bull****ting and I'll prove it if you guys want me to. I DID want to fully flesh out the topic of Karthik/Ronike, and if we had I think we'd be a much better position today. I really regret what happened.
And lastly, Chibo, Marshy is right about Karthik's cop claim. Vanilla Cop is NOT the same as normal cop. vanilla cops investigate and get either "Vanilla" or "not vanilla" as a result. Normal cops get town/not town results. Big difference and Marshy has it right.
Don't tunnel on the track guys, esp. you Broshy. Consider what we know, and what I've told you here, and you'll see that me as scum doesn't add up.
I'm Millia Rage from the Guilty Gear series. I'm currently vanilla town, but I have a POTENTIAL power. I'm currently searching for my "Silent Force" ability. For those of you who are unfamiliar with Millia's abilities (or Guilty Gear as a whole), Millia has "animated" hair that she fights with. One of her abilities (Aerial QCB + Slash to be exact) is called "Silent Force" which entails her throwing a dagger-like object at her enemy. After this ability is used, the dagger sticks in the ground (much akin to Vega dropping his claws in SF2) and the player needs to crouch near the dagger to pick it back up and re-enable the ability. You can look this ability up in any Guilty Gear X2 FAQ.
Long story short, my character flavor said that sometime during the initial festivities I "lost" my silent force dagger, but it suggests that it was stolen by someone. I have the ability to investigate somone every night and determine if they have my silent force. If they do, I take it back and get a one shot vig ability. If I use that vig ability, I abandon the corpse with the dagger in it as a flavour calling card. Needless to say, I haven't used that ability yet, nor have I even enabled it. Last but not least (and bless Rockin's heart for finally giving me this role) until I find my silent force, I've devoted my hair to my complete and utter defense, thus, I'm completely bulletproof until I become a one-shot vig.
Now I'm sure you're wondering who my targets were. I decided it would be best to target people that I guessed were the most likely to die early in the game, since if someone dies with my dagger then I loose it for the whole game. Obviously I want to make sure people who I don't think will last are people I check to prevent that from happening.
Night one I checked out KK. Obvious choice, it's KK and he had enough attention day one to make me feel uneasy about his immediate survival.
Night two I checked Chibo for obvious reasons. I figured either he's a legit vig and he's going to die, or he's mafia, so I'd better investigate him in case of the former scenario. Thank god I was bulletproof.
Last night I obviously checked out KevMo. He coasted through Day 3 and barely said a word other than voting. From a scum perspective, he was an ideal NK target. Take out an experienced, strong endgame player AND minimize the amount of info to draw from the kill because of his lack of input. Obviously who ever is scum had a similar idea.
Another important detail: I was targeted to be killed last night. Specifically, by someone launching fireballs, hence the room exploding flavour from last night. Once again, bulletproof FTW.
I ****ed up on that hammer. There's really nothing I can say that isn't me just asking for you guys to take me for my word. If people are going to accuse me of acting, there's nothing for me to say other then I did legitimately forget about that vote swap and we hadn't had a vote count update for awhile. If you guys don't believe I actually had anything constructive to say about the Karthik/Ronike relationship I'll glady explain the vote in more detail. I wasn't bull****ting and I'll prove it if you guys want me to. I DID want to fully flesh out the topic of Karthik/Ronike, and if we had I think we'd be a much better position today. I really regret what happened.
And lastly, Chibo, Marshy is right about Karthik's cop claim. Vanilla Cop is NOT the same as normal cop. vanilla cops investigate and get either "Vanilla" or "not vanilla" as a result. Normal cops get town/not town results. Big difference and Marshy has it right.
Don't tunnel on the track guys, esp. you Broshy. Consider what we know, and what I've told you here, and you'll see that me as scum doesn't add up.
I'm really not sure I believe Frozen's claim. So much seems conveniently tailored to fit the situation. Not to mention, he describes himself being killed and getting a room exploding flavor due to it, but we have yet to have similar flavor throughout the game(also, flavor arguments suck). Furthermore, it is a 110% unverifiable claim. We can never figure out he's a one-shot vig, all he has to do is claim the player who had the dagger must have died. We have no vig as far as we can tell, so we can't test his BP claim(well, technically I guess if we don't lynch him and Marshy tracked him to Chibo who had his guns activated it would prove he's BP, but it does waste a track and if he is lying hurts us). I'll think about it some more, but his claim reminds me eerily of the pure unverifiable type that I used at the end of MegaMafia.
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
Wait guys, FFs claim is 100% legit, typing a reason now, everything is clear now
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
Ok, in this post I have to summarize things I've been said since I can't quote my mod PM at all.
But pretty much, here's the deal.
I'm sure most of you know the awesome flavor with the story, and (at least with power roles, idk about the vanilla townies) you get some awesome flavor text in a PM with your night results.
I didn't get any flavor text night 1 since I didn't enable my guns as I mentioned before. Night 2 however when I did turn on my guns (same night I killed Ronike), the flavor was quite interesting and I didn't tell anyone about it because I had no idea what the hell it meant. I know know exactly what it means.
My flavor clearly mentioned coming in contact of two things, but it only mentioned killing one of them. It makes perfect sense now. I didn't know why it mentioned two things but only one person came up dead in the night 2 result here in the thread. So yea, I got the hint that someone else visited me but didnt die. I can't see how FF is lying.
But pretty much, here's the deal.
I'm sure most of you know the awesome flavor with the story, and (at least with power roles, idk about the vanilla townies) you get some awesome flavor text in a PM with your night results.
I didn't get any flavor text night 1 since I didn't enable my guns as I mentioned before. Night 2 however when I did turn on my guns (same night I killed Ronike), the flavor was quite interesting and I didn't tell anyone about it because I had no idea what the hell it meant. I know know exactly what it means.
My flavor clearly mentioned coming in contact of two things, but it only mentioned killing one of them. It makes perfect sense now. I didn't know why it mentioned two things but only one person came up dead in the night 2 result here in the thread. So yea, I got the hint that someone else visited me but didnt die. I can't see how FF is lying.
deepseadiva
Bodybuilding Magical Girl
Is it illegal to quote a PM or something?
Can't you just make some copypasta?
Can't you just make some copypasta?
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
yea i cant quote it
what im saying is that in my night flavor it mentioned 2 ppl visited me but only one died.
what im saying is that in my night flavor it mentioned 2 ppl visited me but only one died.
initial reaction is "gee what a perfect claim for a bp sk". gonna dwell on this. more later
With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Frozen Flame (3) - Marshy, Nix, Mentos
Marshy (1) - Chibo
Meno (1) - Dekuu
Deadline is December 26, 2009
Frozen Flame (3) - Marshy, Nix, Mentos
Marshy (1) - Chibo
Meno (1) - Dekuu
Deadline is December 26, 2009
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
wait someone tracked FF? who? i think i missed this
wo w
this is why i was gunning for ff and why he ended up claiming chibo. gdamn
Hahaha way to read Chibo
Now Marshy, your theory of BP Sk is reasonable to me, very much so. However, the question that has come to mind since you mentioned that, is what happened to those who are "Missing" if that's the case. If FF were a bulletproof SK, how can those kills be explained?
Btw, Marshy's most assueredly a GG today, so I'm very willing to be working with him. Not quite proxying my vote, but I will be taking things he says very seriously for a while. Especially with Chibo pseudo-confirming FF visited him, and FF confirming Marshy, I'm comfortable in that idea.
Now Marshy, your theory of BP Sk is reasonable to me, very much so. However, the question that has come to mind since you mentioned that, is what happened to those who are "Missing" if that's the case. If FF were a bulletproof SK, how can those kills be explained?
Btw, Marshy's most assueredly a GG today, so I'm very willing to be working with him. Not quite proxying my vote, but I will be taking things he says very seriously for a while. Especially with Chibo pseudo-confirming FF visited him, and FF confirming Marshy, I'm comfortable in that idea.
is there evidence that tells us we're dealing with an abductor and not a janitor?
The only reason I found the former more likely is I have never seen a jan ability which was able to be used multiple times, which made me dislike the thought of it. You do have a point though, if Rockin gave scum a multi-use jan, that would make things different. One question as well: I don't believe I've ever played a forum game with a jan who actually got to use their ability, if you've been in any is it trend to show the janned players in the live players area? That also helped encourage my thoughts of abductor.
potter mafia is the only game on here where i've seen a janitor. he could only use it once. i think trying to determine whether or not it's an abductor/janitor and making assumptions off of which we choose is a waste of time though
isnt lying about what?
yeah, usually once the abductor dies then everyone is able to come back to the game
In general I agree Marshy, the only thing that's causing me to speculate, is if it IS an abductor, the FF=BP SK becomes a whole lot less likely, and we're in a position where mislynching puts us in terrible condition.
Of course, another possibility if FF is lying is that he's a BP mafiat, as a way of trying to counteract the common complaint with PGO's that they punish mafia for doing their job. Still not sure if I believe him or not though.
Of course, another possibility if FF is lying is that he's a BP mafiat, as a way of trying to counteract the common complaint with PGO's that they punish mafia for doing their job. Still not sure if I believe him or not though.
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
I was saying that FF wasnt lying about his role claim