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[Overswarm]

So you went from "he's scum" to "he will not flip town aligned" to "he will give us the most information by far".

I didn't "go" from anything. You're straw manning. You are scum, you will not flip town aligned, and you will give us the most information by far. They are synonymous.

Gheb or Swiss, can I get a link to the case against J? I've seen several posts directed at him but I'm not sure which ones you're referring to.

The case against J is that he is a foil of Gheb and is linked to him. J also defended the un-CC'd doc, which is the basis of Gheb's case.

Gheb flips scum, then go after J.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

J also defended the un-CC'd doc, which is the basis of Gheb's case.

An absolute lie. Ignore this, Glyph.


If you want to read up on why J is scum these post will help you:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12176825&postcount=998
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12178441&postcount=1012

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Fair enough Gheb

unvote vote: J

 

[Overswarm]

Glyph, are you scummates with Gheb? Because it pretty much seems like it.

Gheb, why are you instructing people to defend you so obviously? J can't go toDay because I know you are scum. This makes it less likely for J to be scum. While still possibly, infinitely less likely.

Gheb is the play for toDay.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

So because I disagree with you, I'm his scummate?

OS if you prove Gheb is scum I will vote for him. You have ignored soooo many questions directed at you, or given flat out horrible answers to them. Posts like:

Dark Horse is Dark Horse.

Gheb is Gheb.

Gheb is also the play.

Make it impossible for me to take you seriously.

 

[Overswarm]

It'd have made more sense to you if you had read the thread and realized I had already answered that question.

Why are you defending Gheb?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Because I believe his claim, and don't want to lynch someone I think is town.

And if you've already said that, why why why would you not simply restate what you had said instead of making a post like that? Or hell, even saying "I've already answered that question" would have been better.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Oh gosh, Gheb. I chuckled at 749, decrying crumbing in the same post that you crumb. That's cute.
I'm curious as to what you think about OS being arsonist, given what I've said.

OS, you should give a synopsis of the case you have against Gheb. That or claim cop.

 

[mentosman8]

I thought this game over last night. Still waiting for a response from J, I think I've made up my mind on where my vote's going to land, but I need to hear J's response to my comments about his word twisting before I finalize my thoughts and put my vote down. Or when I get home from work tonight, whichever comes first XD

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Glyph, I'm curious about what you think re: arOSnist as well.

 

[Overswarm]

Because I believe his claim, and don't want to lynch someone I think is town.

And if you've already said that, why why why would you not simply restate what you had said instead of making a post like that? Or hell, even saying "I've already answered that question" would have been better.

If I had simply restated something you had missed, I wouldn't be able to know you weren't paying attention now :B

Vote Gheb. He is the play for toDay.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Mentos, does that mean that your vote will be on Gheb, w.r.t. 1325? Be more specific.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Haha arOSnist.

I honestly don't think there's any support for him being the arsonist since he's been attacking Gheb since well before he claimed firefighter. Unless Rockin told him who the firefighter was going into the game, OS would have had no way of knowing his role.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Haha arOSnist.

I honestly don't think there's any support for him being the arsonist since he's been attacking Gheb since well before he claimed firefighter. Unless Rockin told him who the firefighter was going into the game, OS would have had no way of knowing his role.

So you haven't been paying attention, then.

Kind of sounds like he's fighting fire with fire to me

Gheb crumbed his role.

My idea is that OS saw that crumb in a Night reread, if he's scum, and tunneled Gheb toDay as a result.

 

[Overswarm]

So you haven't been paying attention, then.

Hey, welcome to the game. Glad you could keep up.


Gheb is scum. He dies toDay.

If he flipped firefighter and I was the arsonist, I'd be dead the next day.

Don't guess. Gheb is scum and will flip as an anti-town role.

The fact that Glyph is considering changing the play from Gheb to the player that Gheb wants lynched is worrisome. Gheb is the play for toDay.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Yes, OS, that was the point, since you said that point a grand two posts before mine. Italics were for emphasis of your own point.

'kay, repeating this premise in full.

Say OS saw Gheb's crumb and tunneled him toDay as a result; this explains OS' odd tunneling. Why would OS tunnel a firefighter crumber, or even be looking for one? Because he's the arsonist. Hence, a Gheb firefighter flip tells us that OS is the arsonist.

More important, however, is Gheb's play, which has escalated in scumminess as the Day has gone on, as well as his connections to your slot, Glyph, a slot which has supported Gheb throughout the game. That's why a Gheb lynch should be the order of the Day; mafia is top priority, and we may have not one, but two.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm curious as to what you think about OS being arsonist, given what I've said.

So you haven't been paying attention, then.

Gheb crumbed his role.

My idea is that OS saw that crumb in a Night reread, if he's scum, and tunneled Gheb toDay as a result.

It's a hard crumb to pick up. If it weren't in the context of my role claim the breadcrumb is pretty much unnoticable. Nobody else seemed to have picked it up or the Gheb wagon wouldn't have gotten that much momentum to begin with.

The explanation that he attacked me way before my claim works for me as a reason as to why there's no arOSnist as you put it.

I thought this game over last night. Still waiting for a response from J, I think I've made up my mind on where my vote's going to land, but I need to hear J's response to my comments about his word twisting before I finalize my thoughts and put my vote down. Or when I get home from work tonight, whichever comes first XD

Still expecting an answer to my latest posts.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Say OS saw Gheb's crumb and tunneled him toDay as a result; this explains OS' odd tunneling. Why would OS tunnel a firefighter crumber, or even be looking for one? Because he's the arsonist. Hence, a Gheb firefighter flip tells us that OS is the arsonist.

More important, however, is Gheb's play, which has escalated in scumminess as the Day has gone on, as well as his connections to your slot, Glyph, a slot which has supported Gheb throughout the game. That's why a Gheb lynch should be the order of the Day; mafia is top priority, and we may have not one, but two.

That's just mere speculation and I'm concern you're willing to take such drastic measures to confirm your theories. Me flipping fire fighter does absolutely NOT equal arOSnist, that should be pretty obvious. Not cool with how you're setting up scenarios here.

And the second paragraph isn't really true eitther. Glyph playerslot has given me support? What kind of support has X1 given me "throughout the game"? You're exaggerating things for your own benefit.

If mafia is your priority as you say then why do you base your lynch choice on speculation over the arsonist? If you were concerned about lynching scum J is clearly the way to go. I even bothered to post AGAIN the two summaries of the J case.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I am the scenario guy. Feel free to call me that in the future.

X1 and Glyph, when posting re: you, have had the same exact standpoint, and IMO it's been a pro-you standpoint with no consideration to the contrary. I'm happy to make a post going into detail about why I see this in their posts.

I don't particularly care for the J case, I thought he was town before and I still do. For the record, I'm happy to be lynched if J flips mafia, since someone wanted to tie me to J prior in the Day iirc. I'll also vote in that direction or hammer as deadline calls for it. But I don't think he's scum, which is why I'm comfortable pursuing mafia in this direction.



You say that this play is typical of townOS. Has OS ever posted "XXX is the play toDay" in every post of a game? Because otherwise I can't see how you wouldn't see it as odd that (by your own reckoning) he began tunneling you toDay on poor reasoning, and hasn't let up. I don't think it makes sense to discount arsonist FYPOV in this case.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

It's a hard crumb to pick up. If it weren't in the context of my role claim the breadcrumb is pretty much unnoticable. Nobody else seemed to have picked it up or the Gheb wagon wouldn't have gotten that much momentum to begin with.

I have to make a point of this, actually.

An arsonist would be looking for a firefighter crumb, don't you think? And therefore, it wouldn't be hard to pick up. Possibly as easy as Ctrl+F /fire/.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

So you haven't been paying attention, then.


Gheb crumbed his role.

My idea is that OS saw that crumb in a Night reread, if he's scum, and tunneled Gheb toDay as a result.

So you're saying OS saw that post with the word, and immediately knew that Gheb was the firefighter? "Fighting fire with fire" is not an uncommon phrase.

And yeah, I some posts during my 1000k post read through. I'm not perfect, I don't remember much more than major points that happened during that period of time.


Nabe: Do you want to lynch Gheb becuae you feel he's scum, or because you'll get reads out of his flip?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Glyph, an arsonist would probably scan and rescan the thread for crumbs, and mark all potential crumbs down for future reference. If that was the only one he found, then that makes that one stand out. More to the point, Gheb's 749 in which he crumbed was a post that was against crumbing. I'd imagine a town Gheb's intent was misdirection, i.e. obfuscating his crumb, but that the post dealt with crumbing at all is itself a tell.

My post dealing with this issue was a recent one. But anyway.

I'm fairly convinced that he's scum at this juncture. Or rather, I've convinced myself of it. His responses to OS' original reasoning have been lacking in and of themselves. Containing some AtE, which I'm to understand is a Gheb standard, but also truncated quoting as OS has pointed out, and some other little niggles I don't like. But I also think we get a lovely read upon his flip, which sweetens the pot.

 

[CT Chia]

Recent ISO on J

Alright let me adresse the entire "case" again me at once because to be honest it is just one of the dumbest cases I have seen in my mafia history and I've seen some dumb cases. It is entirely baseless and everyone has just said "Yea J is scum, let's just lynch him." And no one, not a single person has backed up their reasoning besides some people a bit. I am using the term backing up lightly as I can. Let me get to my main attackers.

Check the bold, I just have trouble finding a townie saying things like this. Does J normally sound like this even when town?

Why? You've yet to give good, and I mean good reasoning as to why I am scum.

Something about this feels awkward

Now you are just trying to tick me off.

Why do you refuse to give reasoning and bandwagon me?

J seems to worried overall about Swiss here. If Swiss' case was really that baseless no one would follow it or you could defend it easily, however this on the other hand...

I did not know I was already at L-1, but really? I mean seriously? Not a single person on this wagon has stated why I am scum and refuses to even give reasoning or has been putting it off and I am at L-1 because of this. Whatever.

I am Princess Prin Prin, Vanilla Townie.

Second part I wanted to point out, lol OS.

This makes me feel better about J tbqh. I find myself in the same situation a lot as town with people wanting to lynch me without any real case so I can relate to this.

Why should people ignore the "drama" as you call it enshrouding me?

For the hundredth time, not until you justify your poorly constructed case and answer all the questions in response to my 1218. Yes, I want to survive to help town but at the point it's feeling hopeless. And yes I'm town.

This feels way too forced

#1293 http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12234196&postcount=1293

A lot of this post puts me off for various reasons

Gheb's case on J isn't too bad either (from what he linked to)

idk, I'd say that I would put J on like... my 3rd most wanted lynch atm, followed by Zen and OS above him, who are approx tied in my book. I'm fine with either.

 

[CT Chia]

OS acting off a discovered bread crumb seems quite appropriate tbqh

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

OS's tunneling based off that crumb would ONLY make sense if he were the arsonist.

 

[Xivii]

Should lynch Gheb.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Your points re: J seem sincere. That said, all the points you addressed are, sadly, typical actions you'd see from J in any game. He's on a sliding scale and those actions should be taken as null at best, scum at worst.

An OStown flip would clear DH in my eyes, and I'm comfortable with a lynch in that direction. That said, no one else seems to be in his corner, and as such I would see a Gheb flip over an OS flip. I do believe one of the two should go toDay.


Glyph: Review OS' case on Gheb, and specifically tell me why you disagree with it.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Ninja'd, above was at Chibo naturally.

 

[Xivii]

Nabe, the fact that Gheb supposedly did not see your point about OS being arsonist should show that he is bsing.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

The only evidence against Gheb that I've seen that OS has presented is that he felt DH was playing anti-town and yet didn't consider him scummy. Which I don't feel merits a lynch.

If there's more to it, I've been asking for it for a while now. I didn't see it in my read through, and I'd really rather not dig through the thread looking for it without any idea of where I'm looking.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

OS, you should respond to 1357.
Zen, be more specific. Do you like my interpretation of Ghebscum re: his claim? If not, what do you think of the recent Gheb situation?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Ninja'd but I think it's probably still relevant, @Zen.

Glyph, I believe OS' case was at the very start of D2.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Got it, I'll read through that area.

 

[Overswarm]

Why is Gheb not dead yet? I don't understand.

 

[Overswarm]

Got it, I'll read through that area.

You probably should have thought of that before deciding to defend the play that was at L-1.


Here's a question for ya Glyph. Guy claims Firefighter. When do you decide he's telling the truth? When the arsonist lights people up?

Gheb dies toDay.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Zen, you thought me and J were scum at some point? 921 at least if not later. Has that changed?

 

[Xivii]

All I've read is that:
-Gheb claimed firefighter.
-Nabe asked Gheb about OS being arsonist and catching Gheb's crumb.
-Gheb is like nah.

Is this correct? If so, then Gheb is obv scum. If Gheb truly was ff, he would have been on OS' ***. An arsonist would surely catch that crumb. Gheb not thinking so just shows he is trying to appeal to what he thinks people want to hear, i.e: "No I don't think the person pushing my wagon is scum."

Not sure if that's what has gone on. If not, disregard. If so, lynch Gb

 

[Xivii]

@Nabe, you're looking townie. Though I really haven't been reading. Still not sure about J. He still looks like scum to me. But you're looking better.

 

[Overswarm]

Lynch Gheb.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

OS, are you still cool with all the logic in your 970?